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    Improving Webelos Programming

    Gold WIng, I'm wioith you. I don't remember any cross over in the late 60's when I turned 11. I remember Webelos being no more then 1 year.. If we need to have cross-over, do it at the first meeting in September. The new Tigers will go WOW, look at those Cubs. They are becoming Boy Scouts. Maybe we won't lose over half the Scouts that we do at spring cross-over, because we freeze them out of Scouting on their first Boy Scout camp-out in Feb. or March. At least with a September cross-over, they'll be prepared for winter camping, and have a year to prepare for summer camp. Why rush them?
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    Wind Chill Guidelines?

    WDL, 1) Make sure the Web's are prepared to handle such weather. 2) Next year meet with one of your area troops a few weeks to a month before Klondike and have them go over proper clothing and layering, and make sure your guys practice what they learned. You also get your troop visit requirement out of the way. 3) Have a back up plan if you have to cancel, bowling, swimming etc. That way the weekend is not a total lose. Last weekend was our Klondike. Friday night it was a balmy 15-20 degrees, which ended up being the high for Saturday. By dark Saturday, we were down to single digits. During the day we had 7 Webelos Dens participating. Luckily they were all layered up appropriately, and had a great time. Proper clothing and layering is everything. You can add to stay warm. Never use cotton, even if it is totally covered. It will still hold your perspiration and chill you and your fares. Saturday evening about 8:00 PM, Council called out to the Klondike site and told any Troops still camping to go home because of the wind chill, that they wouldn't cover us under the insurance for cold related injuries if we stayed. There were 4 Troops still there, the troop whose CO, a sports club was the Klondike site, us and 2 others. The host Troop came around about 30 minutes later and offered indoor facilities if things deteriorated overnight. No one went up to the building, no one went home. The winds didn't pick up until we were all bedded down. Actually I was more then comfortable both nights and had to remove layers. When my oldest did his first two Klondikes, the highs were 0 degrees, with nighttime lows at -22. When people look at me and ask "Are you crazy camping in weather like this?", I tell them I can add clothing and stay warm, but in the summer I can only strip down so far before I naked, and I'm still miserable. By the way, I talked with a fiend from Chicago the other day. They did cancel their Klondike because of expected wind chills in the -40's range. Good luck next year.
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    OA Regailia

    Tindeuchen, If you can take the guys to Indianapolis, go to the Eiteljorg Museum. Call ahead and talk with the curator. They have awesome displays of Native regalia. I don't know if you are allowed to take pictures, but it's worth checking out.
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    OA Regailia

    Tindeuchen, Where specifically are you located? The suggestion on contacting an area Tribal Council is good. Contact Jim Clippinger from the Tecumseh Council in Ohio. He is of Deleware decent and use to be the their Council's Lodge adviser. His sister, Rene Dennison from Ohio, is a Native Ethno-Artist, historian and geneologist who travels nationally teaching classes and running programs on Native culture, art and craftwork and working behind the scenes with Native issues. She would be an invaluable resource when it comes to regalia. If she can not help you, she will be able to put you into contact with someone near your location. Another source is Native Tec. Anything you want to learn about Native culture and art is there. Our Lodge's CT and Council's camp honors CT use a hodgepodge of mixed up regalia that drives my oldest son crazy. They are set in their ways and change doesn't come easy.
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    new scouts on winter camp outs

    Ohio Scouter, North Lawrence Hunt and Fish Club. Great place for Klondike. A nice group. They sponsor a Troop. Saturday night Council called out to notify any Troops still camping to head home due to wind chills. If they stayed, Council wouldn't cover them insurance wise for cold injuries. The wind didn't even kick up until we were all bedded down. The club Troop came around and offered their building as shelter during the night if anyone felt it was getting to bad. We had only one that had a hard time . He came out on Saturday night to get another night for Polar Bear. He forgot his ground pad, refused one offered to him and got a little chilly. It was about 0 when we crawled out about 7:00 AM. Found something that helped with the bedding this weekend. On the walking out of the garage Friday, I saw my wifes foam foil sun reflector for the windshield laying in a corner. It found a nice cozy spot between my 2 sealed foam pads and my Therarest pad. It did a nice job at reflecting the body heat back. Both nights I was more then toasty and had to peel off the socks and thermals and open the fleece liner. The next morning the gloves and pants that I had placed between the Therarest and the sun reflector were nice and warm also. Hope everyone stayed warm on your excursions.
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    new scouts on winter camp outs

    Ohio Scouter, COME ON UP!!!, To western Stark County that is. We'll be west of Canton about 15 miles trying to keep from freezing our, well you know what, OFF. I'm hoping for the clouds for a few extra degrees. Everyone one have a FRIGID, I mean warm weekend out there camping. Lisa, at least we should be a little warmer then you all.
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    new scouts on winter camp outs

    Lisa, Our Klondike is this weekend. Saturday night , a balmy 0 is expected here in NE Ohio. I have the same issue with Feb. crossovers. I would rather see crossover in March. As to your dilemma, Saturday only, if even that. Are all your Scouts and leaders going on this campout? Are there a couple Scouts and leaders that were not planning on going? Could they run another Saturday program with these new Scouts, doing something more appropriate? The lock-in idea is good. Take them swimming, go to a gym and work on some of the more fun rank advancement. This way they have fun, don't feel left out, don't get cold and want to quit. Usually our Jan. campout is Klondike, Feb. Is a ski weekend in a cabin, and March is Good Turn for our camp honors program. Last year we almost had all 4 crossovers quit after the March campout. We had 5 inches of snow with temps from 10-25. Even though we tried to prepare them for possible cold weather, and we got it, they still weren't ready. They survived but almost quit. This year the new ones and 2 of last years will have the option of coming to come on Sat. only. Good luck.
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    I Have More Important Things to Do

    As a 70's Scout, I really don't remember parents being involved in our Troop, except a SM whose son was in the Troop. Most of the adults leadership were former Scxouts from the troop, the SM who just finished his hitch in the military, thr ASM, several CM's. No real parents. Some of the aprents would help when asked, but I don't remember most of them even driving on campouts. Usually the SM was a late 30-50'sh person. The Council people seemed to be 40-60's. The one dad that I remember being involved in a Troop at a leader level had a blind Eagle son. The dad was also involved in OA and took us to NOAC '75. I remember my father helping by mapping out a 50 miler for the Troop, but not being real active otherwise. Sometimes now, I feel it is better with less parent involvement as leaders, especially SM's and ASM's. I would rather have either the young go getting late 20-30 married childless set that can associate with the kids, or the late 40-50 crowd whose kids have run through and are out of the program. At least they are usually impartial to all the Scouts and are not there with the objective of making sure their own Scout is taken care of. The above mention, if they are Scouts that are now Scouters because they want to be, I'm fine with that.
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    Bicentennial Eagle and '73 Brotherhood in Marnoc Lodge (now in Sipp-o)from Great Trail Council. Son #1, 2005, now ASM. Son #2 is working on it. Now ASM, Council R&M CM, CCS and DCCS CM and Activity Chair in Buckeye Council.
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    scouts own service

    If you have a mixed faith Troop of Christian, Judaic and Islamic youth, if any scriptures are kept to the Old Testament, there should be no major issues. But all three texts, the Bible, Koran, and Torah all talk of loving thy brother, helping thy neighbor, etc. There are plenty of scriptures from all three that are easily interchangeable as the others, and just as appropriate. Why not look at Seton's "GOSPEL OF THE REDMAN" and use passages from it. When he wrote it, and had leaders of different faiths and denominations proofread the transcript, they all thought that he based it off of their respective faiths/ denominations, Native, Christian, Judaism, Islam, etc. I like the idea of a S. O. service with a different religious flavor at each camp-out. Maybe the Scouts will realize that we all aren't that different, unlike a lot of adults. Sorry John, but making the service to narrow and strict to one religious belief when others are involved, well the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition come to mind. Amd yes John, you spelled it write. LOL. One Troop that I know of has a large three ring binder with ideas on services. The CO is a Catholic church, but the troop is mixed faith. If they have only Catholics on the outting, the service takes that flavor. If it's mixed, the Chaplains Aide goes for a more mixed service.
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    Cracker Barrel Alternatives?

    Insane, You forgot slugs and Veggemite on crackers!!!!
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    2010 Activities

    kraut, Who said it needs to be during hot, hunid sticky weather. Hold it in late September thru early November. So it rains or snows, its SURVIVOR isn't it? Then of course, you run into the problem of Scouts shadowing the tribes, unless the participants are actual Scouts. Then it can be moved back to summertime.
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    need eagle help asap. please look

    Ask the SM for guidance. You need the letters, one from your parents, one from your religious leader (if Hindu or a religion that has no local leader, a parent can write this letter also about your involvement in your religion), a teacher or two, an employer. I don't remember specifics. I think there are forms in the Eagle packet that you can give them. Also, the letters are suppose to be mailed back to an adult on the committee or the SM, not to you. I would get the form and envelopes (self addressed and stamped) to your desired reference people today if possible, no later then Monday evening and make sure that they are dated and hopefully in the SM hands by your birthday. Dates: Is your Scout book filled out, dated and signed. You can us these dates. Meritbadges: Pull out your blue cards that the counselor gave you. You should have a third of the card and the Troop should have their third of the card. If the Adv. person did their job at all, Council or your District Adv. Chair. should have some record of your advancement. Stressful, I know. my son finished his last required merit badge at 6:30PM the night before his birthday and was putting the application in the Chairperson door at 10:30 that night for him when he arrived home after the football game.
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    Prayers for Kenya

    Thanks Beavah. I have a good friend, a Tanzanian Priest who lives in Nairobi. I haven't been able to contact him by email since before Christmas. he is the head of his order. I'm hoping that he was home in Tanzania visiting family when this all came down. Let's keep all of our brothers around the world in our prayers.
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    need eagle help asap. please look

    Jmaes, Congratulations on making it this far. Does your troop have an Eagle Coordinater that assists your Life Scouts through the Eagle process, usually a committee member, the Committee Chairperson, etc? Who went to Council and picked up your Eagle packet? This is usually the person that should be assisting you. Your Troop's Advancement Chairperson is the person that should be filling out all the dates for merit badges, position of ranks held, starting date in Scouts and the Troop. The Adv. Chair should be able to print out a copy of all you dates for you to use to fill in the application. Specifically ask your SM at the conference about these. It may be being handled and you just aren't aware of it. In our Troop, as long as all the merit badges, Eagle project book, Eagle application, anything that need a date prior to midnight of the start of you birthday, our Troop considers everything in on time. Have your 5 Letters of Recommendations been sent back to your SM or the person handling the Eagle Application? Good luck, and let us know how it goes.
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    2010 Activities

    krout, That's a great idea. Toss in a little FEAR FACTOR to boot. But what would it cost to run such a program for a season? What network might be willing to try something like this? How could it also be aimed at inner city youth?
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    2010 Activities

    National, How many Scouts and Scouters do we have registered nationally? 2009 registration fee up $1.00 for the cost of entering the float. That should bring in a several hundred thousand dollars easily. What is not needed for the float could be used to pay the way for a marching Scout band to travel to and be in the parade, plus the float riders. National would have to handle and keep track of the financial end, but it would be no money out of their pocket per say. Everyone then gets a special 100 Anniversary patch since they automatically contributed. 2010, use the money for Jambo, or at least provided campperships for Jambo. 2011, registration drops back down $1.00. In our dreams. LOL.
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    2010 Activities

    kb6, Good idea about the heroism and Lifesaving Medal Recipients. The float could be called "REAL AMERICAN HEROS". How many Medals are handed out in a year anyway? Can't be that many. I only know of two recipients in our Councils over several years. I'm sure both would love to apply for a cjance to ride the float.
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    2010 Activities

    Trout, Great idea!!! Acco, National has to have advertising figured into their budget. If National ran a TV spot, especially prike time, theyw ould be paying out the nose. Bring the Scouts to Pasadena for 3 or 4 nights would still come in cheaper then a TV spot. Trout, I bet we could find Scouters from all the areas needed to make the float, possibly pro bono. Distinguished Eagles would be great. But, let's find the less known, more interesting ones, not well know ones from DC that would use it for more recognition. Maybe the area Council's could come up with a 1000 Scouts/Scouters to march in front of and behind the float, 15-20 wide by 50 rows. Now talk about making a statement.
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    Cracker Barrel Alternatives?

    Lugnuts, Have each of the Scouts bring their favorite flavor of Jello mix and a two real Nalgene bottles. At cracker barrell, have the Scouts put the Jello mix in one bottle and add hot water. Have them drink it before it solidifies. It makes a nice fruit drink. After they are finished with their nice hot fruit drink, fill one or both bottles with piping hot cocoa, tea, cider and the other with hot water, seal both tight, place in wool socks, and throw down in the sleeping bag. Instant incubtor. The Jello drink will give their bodies the fuel to keep the fire cooking inside, for most of the night keeping them warm. HEY, we're at KLONDIKE. A nice hot Cracker Barrell is beneficial. A few years we dipped to -20. Calico, digestion = energy = bodyheat from the working engine = warm sleeping bag. Right out of the Okpik Winter Survival book. The hot bottles in the bag will warm it up a little, ala incubator. Better then nothing. The socks keep the bottles warm long into the night, gives the Scout something to drink later in the night to warm him back up if he starts getting cold or thirsty. Plus your have one liter of unfrozen water per Scout come morning. No need for thawing frozen water when you want to eat and leave. Good luck Lugs.
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    Life Saving Medal

    Brian, Yes, the medals can be given to Scouters as well as Scouts. The recipient has to be in a non-supervisory role. In other words if you are the adult leader on a camp-out and pull one of your Tenderfoots out of the lake, you are not eligible. If you pull someone else out of the lake, then you are eligible. My oldest, now 21, also ASM with the Troop, has been a lifeguard for 5 years. He has pulled numerous people from the pools over the years, treated people down in the locker room with life threatening intracranial bleeds until EMS arrived, etc. He has also responded on cardiac arrest scenes with me when he was 16 and 17 (because he was in the truck with me when the calls came in) and help give CPR and hook up AED's when the PD arrived ahead of the squad, or the monitor/defib. that I carried. He's stopped at a few nasty accidents on the freeway and provided care until EMS has arrived (these he could have been eligible for). Always in a supervisory role. He was honored with the Heroism Medal for aiding a friend at a scouting function whose clothing caught fire while they were cleaning up their living history program site that they had run during the day. He was 19 at the time. He wasn't in a supervisory role at the time, just in the right place at the time. He was shocked that he was nominated for the honor. He wasn't happy about all the attention. After living around a vol. department his whole life because of his old man, he felt it was just the normal thing to do. Like Highcountry, after 25+ years in the field, you don't expect to receive anything. That's not why we are there. The only recognition I ever received was the local VFW's Person of the Year. The chief put my name in for the award. The incident involved saving the life of the Post's chaplain's (who was also the deacon at our church) grandson during a farming accident. Unfortunately in small towns there is little chance of hiding who did what, and I never know when grandma Pat will embarrass me with an introduction of "This is the man who saved my grandson". There are many cases of deserving Scouts/Scouters that are probably never sent in. Some SM's probably don't even realize the awards exist. Some don't feel recognition is due. Some just won't send them in. I feel if there is a potential candidate, I send it in and leave it up to Council and National to make the determination if an award is appropriate and which one.
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    Anniversary Patch on Sash

    GW, Who says it's not kosher? He didn't add anything. What kind of beads did he use and who did it for him? Or did he do it? Just think of the time and cost. Wow!!! And I bet it will hold up a lot longer. I would love to see it.
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    Anniversary Patch on Sash

    If I am correct, the pewter pin from the 1975 NOAC is also allowed to be worn on the sash. Mine has been there since '75. Last year at NOAC, my roommate saw my sash and asked to look at the pin. He stated that he was on staff in '75, and that since it was the last NOAC that Goodman had attended, that the decision was made to allow the pin to continue to be worn on the sash after NOAC had ended.
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    Happy Boxing Day

    Happy Boxers Day to you Eamonn. Hope the cookies were tasty. Did you take a dip like the blokes celebrating Boxing Day, shown on ABC's National News tonight?
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    A Scouting Christmas Story

    G.W. Thanks for the wonderful story. It has been passed on.