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    Choosing another summer camp for next year.

    O_S I almost forgot about that nickname. As you know, it's was one of the rainiest Junes on record. At least the camp roads are drying up nicely. I haven't had any trouble getting into the youngest staff campsite yet. Make a deal with you. You just let one storm a week come on up the valley and divert the rest across W. Va or Ky. and I'll send the ones from up north across to Pittsburgh. As I was coming home from the store about an hour ago, we had nice clear skies here, but you could see lightning to the east toward camp. The youngest is on staff at 7R. 100 miles round trip twice a weekend just to get him there and back. And that doesn't include the occasional other trips out there and back for other things. The staff pranks are in full swing. The Pipestone gang are having to car pool since some of them come from as far as Columbus and Cleveland every Friday night. So far the gas hasn't seemed to keep many Troops away so far. So how are things west of Columbus?(This message has been edited by ASM915)
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    Choosing another summer camp for next year.

    robvio, Check out Buckeye Council's 7 Ranges Scout Reserve. It's a little farther the Ohio-Scouter's suggestion, about 45 minutes east of Canton Ohio. On your way out of camp, the Troop could stop at the Football Hall of Fame or the McKinley Museum and Monument They are both only 5 minutes out of the way, north of Rt 30 on Rt 77. 7R has OA tap-outs on Wed. night. On Friday, they run the Pipestone Camp Honors program,one of the oldest honors programs in the country, approximately 85 years old. If you decide to come, the boys will need to bring a cubic foot of branches ranging in size no smaller then their little finger and no larger then their thumb and barkless, stacked and secured tightly with twine. The Pipestone staff will use it all that week for all the different ceremony fires on Friday night. If there is any interest, PM me.
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    help please!

    An old cadence from Manatoc, and probably many other camps was: Boy Scout, Boy Scout Don't look down. There aren't no Girls Scouts On the Ground. Sound Off!! Of coures Camp Ledgewood (the Girl Scout camp) was about a rugged 2-3 mile hike from Camps Butler and Manatoc.
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    help please!

    Nick, They're still making you guys march at Manatoc? Good!!! I'm an old Manatoc Scout from the 70's. I spent a lot of time out there between Troops 18 and 182 and OA. If I remeber correctly, you will come onto the parade field as you march in from your campsite. Use the jodies then. When you reach your Troops lineup spot and stop, call Troop 412 HALT. I don't remember the next command, but it is the equivalent of "Right, Dress Right", but the Scouts extend their right arm straight out and place their hand on the shoulder of the person in front of them to get their spacing. Maybe Gunny or Gonzo can help here? Then place them at Parade Rest. The camp staff will then call out orders. When the Troops start to march around the parade ground - Call Troop 412 Attention - Forward March - Column Right March, as you turn and march in front of the other Troops. - Column Left March, as you turn up toward the flagpole and staff. - Column Left March, as you turn to march in front of the staff and flag. - As you approach the staff and flag call "Eyes Right" or "Present Arms" (whichever the camp prefers) at which time the Scouts turn their heads to the right (and salute?) while your flagbearer dips your Troop flag as you march by the US flag. - After You pass the staff, call " Eyes Front". - Continue to call "Column Left March" around the parade ground until you reach your starting point and the "Halt" if you go back to your starting point, or march them right over to the dining hall. Do they still have the dreaded GIZMO at camp? Have you ever had to kiss the moose or wild boar at the dining hall? E. Prather Bicentennial Eagle ASM Troop 915 Canal Fulton, Oh(This message has been edited by ASM915)
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    Bronze Flag Holders

    I just finished placing flags on the gravesites of veterans at two of our villages cemetaries. We ran across one bronze marker that we could not identify. From the bottom up it started with either feathers of plumes of leafs that arched out from eachother forming an open circle at the top, In the center were three circle, one center and the other two offset to the top on opposite sides of the first circle. In the upper left circle was the capital letter F, in the center circle the letter L, and in the upper right circle the letter T. The person was born in the mid 1836 and died in 1914. the cemetary is in northern Ohio. We know that there is a Confederate Vet buried somewhere in the cemetary, but his marker disappeared two years ago. I'm not sure if this is the same grave. Do any of our historians have any idea what the FLT stand for and what branch of the service and conflict this person was in?
  6. "If people think God is intersting, the onus is on them to show that there is anything to talk about. Otherwise they should just sut up about it." Richard Dawkins, Evolutionary Biologist, Oxford Universty. Pacsaddle, you should like that one. Anyway, there''s a mew movie coming out in Feb. 2008,"EXPELLED" with Ben Stein, http//www.expelledthemovie.com/video/php that should cause some real intersting conversations here. So everyone has 4-5 months to get their debate material together and their arguements formulated. More Ed and Merlyn fodder.
  7. For Troops out there that do not have the Chaplains Aide position filled, why not? Is it because the leaders can't or don't want to be bothered with counseling the position holder? Is it because we don't live by what we preach, so therefore we allow the boys to follow in our footsteps? Is this why the position, to many, has become a joke, and a non-desired position by the Scouts?
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    Video Game Addiction

    Here's an idea. Next spring, have the "Video Game Camporee". get a few former gaming adults together. Have them go pick apart some of the more popular video games for program area ideas. OOPS, I forgot, they're to violent. Alright find some non-violent games, pull some ideas for an area activity and incorporate Scout skills. Set that area up around having to complete the task or level to move on to the next area/level. Offer up some great prizes for the patrols that make all the levels. Promotion wise: really promote the weekend as a gaming weekend. Don't let the boys in on the fact that they can't use their systems. Actually advertise which games are going to be used for the weekend, and that the games instruction manual is specifically needed. Have them use the manual to decipher clues at each station, then use their Scouting skills to complete the station. With a little deception, and a well kept secret, I'll bet you would have the largest turnout in history for your camporee, and show them that they can have fun away from the screen and controls.
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    Video Game Addiction

    Mike F, "Back to commercial aspects". Sounds like the casinos. GW, he'll only gain weight if he remembers to stop long enough to eat. LOL.
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    Video Game Addiction

    Beardad, I think you missed the intended correlation between alcohol, drugs and gaming. Yes, one is illegal, the other two are not. Sorry to respectful disagree, but yes, video games can be just as, if not more addicting then the other two. Ask an alcoholic and he'll tell you that yes he likes drinking and doesn't have a problem, and would probably rather be at the bar then on some stupid camping trip or out door activity. Does he have an addiction problem? Not in his eyes. Does that mean a kid that can't wait to get home to get on the system and play for hours, every day does not have a problem? Not in his eyes, or probably in the eyes of the parent that has dished out major bucks for the system, games and accessories. If he would rather be on the system all the time instead of participating in other activities whether they be school, church, family, sports, etc, yes he has an addiction problem. I s he going to go to a Gaming Olympics and make a name for himself? Doubtful. Will he become a weapons specialist or pilot for the military? Possibly, if he can be a team player and learns some leadership abilities. Isn't going to happen sitting behind a screen all day long. Will he become a program designer? Possibly. As for gaming being cheaper then buying camping equipment, LET'S GET REAL HERE!! An XBOX 360 starts at $279, Most of the accessories such as steering systems, different control devices all start around $50 and run up to $200. Games start at $50. So I'm looking at at least $380+ just for the system and two games? Let's see. i can get a good sleeping bag for under $100, a starter backpack for under $75, a good sleeping pad for around $50, a mess kit at $10, a Nalgene water bottle for $10, a flashlight for $10-15, and a good tent for the other $140 to get me just to the starting price of the system. Honestly, I think I'm way ahead for what I'm getting for my dollar with my camping equipment then you are with the gaming equipment. At least it will be a long while before my equipment will become outdated and need replaced unlike the system that will be outdated within a year or two and need replaced. We have fun playing games also, but don't throw a lot of money away. The last thing we bought was a used Playstation 2 and a few used games. Sorry if I come across as being hard. Find my earlier posts in this thread and read them.I have been there in the past and now really have to watch if I start playing to make sure that I don't get caught up in it a waste a lot of valuable time.
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    Video Game Addiction

    One thought. My oldest son was babysat by my inlaws several days a week while my wife and I worked. They bought a gaming system, Sega I think. We're talking the late 80's and early 90's. Dave played the games with both grandparents for several hours a day. This was when he was 4-6 years old. By the time he was 8 or 9, he was totally burned out on video games, and it was never a problem through his teen years. Maybe we can burn them out early.
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    Pushing the envelope?

    OGE, Great!! Waterfront property. The price just went up. LOL. To bad it's not coastal property. Then it wouldn't matter if it was swampy, it would be worth a fortune. Packsaddle, Yep, Solar panels and a reverse meter sounds good. Just think of all the roof space available, especially on camp structures. As for dam removal, over the last 5-10 years, they have been taking down several dams on the Cuyahoga. If they could now remove the three low-head dams and Ohio Edison dam used for the old power-plant, then clean up the muck, we might be able to restore a great picturesque gorge, and reclaim several waterfalls and the caves. Watch out Ohiopyle!!! We would have a mile drop over a 2-3 mile distance if that. Talk about some wild white water opportunities in Akron.
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    Pushing the envelope?

    1) The Scouts would not be supporting a candidate or party. -Or are all the bill's sponsors all from the same party? -Is this a push by the Pa. Scout Councils to get the bill passed because they may stand to gain monetarily if passed? They will definitely be getting free publicity and advertising from the plates. So much for no free rides. 2) Hornaday Project (HIJACK # 2) - One of the project ideas for the award is to have Scouts either come up with proposed legislation relating to conservation and environmental issues and present it to their Rep's or Senators, or help their Rep's or Sen. with a campaign for proposed legislation related to the above. What say yea, Gern & Calico, Yeah or Ney. It's a Scouting award that could mean proposing and or campaigning at the state or federal level for legislation. 3)As for the first hijack, The Dam, what does a dam have to do with plates? - I see potential for Hornaday projects here. - Maybe the Council could rebuild the dam to as a hydro-electrical facility supplying the camp with all the electricity they need, work a deal for free electricity for the other Council properties, and sell the rest back to the utilities to cover the cost of the project. The Council will save a fortune on their electric bill, and when the project costs are put to rest, they'll be turning a nice profit. Sounds like another HA project. - Pack, how about being the Hornaday Advisor for the down stream ecosystem reconstruction and flood control? 4) Hey, OGE, what does an acre of land fetch over there and how many acres are we talking? How much could the Council get if they first timbered it off, brought in a couple of land developers that probably sit on the Exec. Committee, to develop the land, and then sell it off, compared with just selling it as undeveloped lots? Could Council turn enough of a profit to buy the amount of new acreage needed a new camp? - Merit Badge opportunities galore for the next Merit Badge Academy, Amer. Business, Energy, Entrepreneurship, Enviro Science, F&WM, Forestry, Geology, Salesmanship, S&WC and Surveying. - Oh, scratch #4. I forgot about the housing market crunch. So much for the Merit Badge Academy courses.
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    OA Regailia

    le Voyager, Yep, I've been to a couple of the want-a-be Pow Wows before. Actually we were at one where they didn't secure the US flag or the Eagle Staff, and both went down in the wind. Both were picked back up without a second thought, secured a little better, and continued on as if nothing had happened. That is why we usually only attend the ones on the Rez's. That way everything is authentic to that tribe, and the elders are usually more then willing to help the Scouts, as long as the boys are interested and respectful. The ones run locally at the fairgrounds or neighborhood parks seem to be into it for the dollar. Cheap materials at way overinflated prices. And as you said, a mishmash of mixed regalia.
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    1st time Summer Camp Staff Interview

    CNY, Does your son have his BSA Lifeguard certificate, or ARC Lifesaving training? If he does I'll bet they will definitely be checking him out real good. I would rather be hiring a 16y/o or even a mature 15 y/o with the training then an over 17 without it. When our Council camp guys found out that my oldest had his ARC Lifesaving and Waterfront training and was working year round as a city lifeguard, the two years he attended summer-camp, they were all over him to come back to camp to work the waterfront. They didn't care how old he was. He had the maturity and the training they needed, and were willing to let him challenge the BSA Lieguard test and test out immediately. Unfortunately, the city was already paying him $9 to $10 per hour, 40 hours per week during the summer, and Council of coures was not able to even come close to that.
  16. Election results are in. The outgoing Chapter Chief helped the new Chief hold the elections. He gave a speech, which the adults missed because we were tending to another Troop issue, about qualifications, popularity contests, and Special Needs Scouts. He informed the gang that he himself was a SNS, had managed to become Eagle and Chapter Chief amongst other positions.He informed them that they should really think hard about turning things into a popularity contest just because they don't always understand the NSN, and that most SNS are just as qualified if not more so then most of them. The Scout in question is already figuring that he did not get elected again. Man will he be surprised at tapouts at the Spring Camporee. Thanks for everyones stories, experiences and general input. YIS ASM915
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    Wilderness First Aid vs EMT

    As a Medic for the last 25 years, I have to agree with RmemberSchiff. The ARC Wilderness First Aid is just a taste for the lay person. It gives them just enough information to maybe squeeze by. If it were me, I would be looking at WMA, SOLO or NOLS. Major cost difference, better programs. Most EMT's and Medics are taught urban medicine. OK, add farm medicine for the rural guys. A city guy will in time figure out how to handle a farm accident, with regular training, but the farm boy will know how to do it faster and safer with different techniques that the city guy has no clue about. How does this tie in with our subject? The regular EMT or Medic, unless they serve in an area that requires back-country rescue and techniques, has SAR's training, will be able to figure things out in time and make adjustments. But will it be in time? 1) Your climbing with a bunch of Scouts. Someone falls and ends up with a spinal injury. You are 6 hours back in the mountains. How are you going to get the victim out? You have no backboards to strap him to. - The backpacks come apart, are lashed together to make a litter/ stokes, something rigid to support the spine so you can start extricating him from the back-country. 2) Above victim is unconscious with a head injury and needs the airway kept open during the retreat out. EMT's and Medics are going to keep manually opening the airway. That causes delays. You cant stop every couple of minutes to open his mouth. What do you do? The wilderness guy, with his little survival pack (remember that from TF, SC and FC) will hopefully have some different size safety pins, hopefully some big ones. The wilderness guy will pin the tongue to the lower lip keeping the airway open. Believe me, I really don't think most of the city guys would even think of this or try it. The little safety pins come in handy in place of stitches when stitches aren't available. 3) He has an impaled object sticking out of his chest. Think Deliverance. The city guy will stabilize it as is. Man I wouldn't want that thing sticking out of my chest banging around on the tree branches as my buds are trying to get me out of the woods. The wilderness guy is trained to break it off at the skin. All you EMt's and Medics out there that think that BSA should give you a free ride on the WFA, let's get of the soapbox, become a little modest here and remember that we aren't GOD (as we accuse Doc's of being) and that YES we can still learn something more, sometimes from someone less trained then we are because they know how to do it different and sometimes better. A good higher level WFA program teaches to think out side of the box, how to modify what you were taught in the hospital class setting to work in the wilderness setting and how to best care for your victim when you will take several hour to reach professional care. Guys' It is just like the MD that shows up on your accident scene and wants you to rush getting the victim out of the car, forget C-spine immobilization and all other protocols because "I'M THE DOCTOR AND YOUR A MEDIC". It doesn't mean that he knows what he is doing when he is out of his elememt. Wilderness and Urban/Farm are based off of the same basic principles, but they are not the same animal. Go take a good WFA program. It may cost a couple to several hundred dollars, but it will be worth it's wieght in gold. ARC is just a good introduction, maybe.
  18. We have a couple special need Scouts in our Council. These Scouts will be over 18 at the time of Jambo, but still considered youth members. Is 18 National's cutoff for Jambo? How has Jambo handled the Special Needs Scouts at past Jambo's? How has your Council handled Special Need Scouts and Jambo? How has the Scout's age effected his eligibility? I would hate to see these Scouts(Special Needs Scouts in general,)who usually show more Scout Spirit the most of our teens, be sidelined for such an event because of being 18.
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    Summer Camp w/in 4hrs of Columbus OH?

    mlg, Was 7 Ranges one of the camps they checked out. Just curious. Lisa, I pretty much grew up at Manatoc, but that was back in the 70's. Manatoc and Camp Butler (what used to be the more primitive camp of the two) are ajoining properties using the same waterfront. Manatoc has a pool. Butler, I don't know for sure. They may still use the old waterfront for swimming. Both camps make up about 700 acres and sit within the Cuyahoga Valley National Park. There is plenty of hiking in the valley, and skiing in the winter. The OA's Cuyahoga Valley Trail runs through both camps and is 13.7 miles long. Kendall Lake and Ledges border Manatoc. Summer-camp use to be pretty nice. the dining hall is a historical site. I was at their Council offices today. They are starting a dining hall expansion. I don't know the timeline on the construction. You might want to check. Eric
  20. There are other things besides Eagle that he can involve himself with doing. Some can use his academic load from school depending on his iterests. Has he earned his Religious Emblem Awards for your faith? Is he interested in conservationn? If he has the right mix of merit badges, he may be close to achieving the Hornaday Awards if he completes the related projects. He can involve the Troop and have them earn Hornaday Certificate while he earns the badge or one of the medals. He could incorperate the 50 Miler or Historical Trail Award into one of the projects for him and the Troop to earn. he can use his coursework at school to help with the Hornaday and the Historical Trail Awards and possibly receive recognition on his academic record as well. The Hornaday projects could be set up around high adventure trips that he could/would have to plan. How about him spearheading a new Venture Crew associated with the Troop? That opens up a whole new list of things to become invovled with and to earn, for him and the Troop. Good luck, Eric
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    Sad News

    Last May, our neighboring Council lost an 11 year old Scout that lived in our town unexpectedly to similar circumstances . Some of our Scouts and myself found out when the funeral procession was expected at the cemetery and had a colorguard at the enterance when the procession arrived. It was a difficult time for their Troop because the Troop consisted of only 3 or 4 families. Our prayers are with your Pack and his family.
  22. FireKat, From one smoke eater to another, I had a friend that I use to work with. She was of Lebanese descent. One day she heard her 4 year old sing a song in Lebanese about the ladies walking down the street with their backsides(word changed) cacheting back and forth. She calmly asked him where he learned the song. He replied "Auntie." Well Auntie had ran the largest brothel east of the Mississppi in Cleveland, with DC clientele. My friend decided to let it drop figuring that he would soon forget the song. She figured that if she had carried on about it that he would have put the song to memory forever, because mom didn't like it. As for disappearing threads and posts. it should be a moderator group decision, not just one person making the decision, unless the post or thread was so blatantly over the line. This way one moderator doesn't go over the edge. This way being a group decision, there is teeth in the decision, and more credibility with the members. Like I said the other day, "Watch out for those MIB".(This message has been edited by ASM915)
  23. This morning I woke up with 20+ emails from the "Plant Identification" thread and "Improving Webelos Programming". Every time that I try ro opening them, the "unable to view" or "under mainainance, try later" page pops up. This afternoon, same thing, but only on these two threads. What's up?
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    Hey, Moderator

    Wow OGE, I wonder what I missed on that thread the other day. The thread must have really went south.
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    Improving Webelos Programming

    I was a 16 or 17 y/o Bicentennial Eagle in the good old days when Scouting was Scouting. My oldest was a deathbed Eagle right at 17 and 364 days. Almost all of the Eagles in our Troop get Eagle at 17. Now if they had a strong Venturing program, or started a Rover program, then maybe 14 wouldn't be so bad. I'm more concerned with keeping the boys involved. And freezing their @#$ends off on their first camp-out I'm sure has driven many a youth away. In my days, if you turned 11 in Aug. or September, to bad. That's when you moved to the Troop.