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If I could work staff I would just take Amtrak from Chicago. 15hours $70.

No matter what your council says, don't hang your hat on a backround check. We need to vigilantly abide by two or three deep leadership and keep the scouts safe. 95% of child molesters are never caught, making the backround check pretty much a useless scam and only good for press releases.

The bigger question is what units do about adult who don't abide by 2 deep leadership guidelines. These are the perverts and we need to get them out of scouting.

With 2013 being a jamboree year you may be able to join a council contingent to philmont.

If you think about both experiences they have a controlled diet. You know exactly what you will be eating every day and should be able to controll it. However the variable here is dehydration. My last trip to PS we had a scout and his dad. the son was diabetic and lied to me about it being under control. The issue was he had glucose tabs and is blood sugar would bounce all over the place. One day he crashed. His dad said they should leave. I made him sit down and drink a liter of water and he was fine. Turns out he was not drinking water. Think about it you have a controlled diet and exercise both good things.

My 2 cents i've been to both twice the only thing i want to go to a third time is Philmont.

Never say can't or won't. Program is up to the boys and what they are willing to. If adults say they can't afford it then they can't afford it. How about boys we need to raise money for this if you want to go. I did a camp promotion in a small town on the outskirts of chicago. (they went to Owasippe this summer) The troop took advantage of the poor economy since there were plenty of open slots on the council contingent. They raised enough money with car washes, popcorn and candy that 22 boys ans 3 adults went for free. Also there is money availble if the council jamboree committee does their job I was able to get money from region and our excutive board. Don't puch the boys to go but they they need to be empowered to raise the money if they want to go.

Never say can't or won't. Program is up to the boys and what they are willing to. If adults say they can't afford it then they can't afford it. How about boys we need to raise money for this if you want to go. I did a camp promotion in a small town on the outskirts of chicago. (they went to Owasippe this summer) The troop took advantage of the poor economy since there were plenty of open slots on the council contingent. They raised enough money with car washes, popcorn and candy that 22 boys ans 3 adults went for free. Also there is money availble if the council jamboree committee does their job I was able to get money from region and our excutive board. Don't puch the boys to go but they they need to be empowered to raise the money if they want to go.

Please show me chapter and verse of the "power tool ban"

First. Make sure your son wants to go. Parents sometimes send their kids when they aren't really that interested.

You are not out of line asking what the costs are. That 1850 may be set or a fuzy price they had not knowing what national was supplying. Nothing wrong with finding out who is in charge and getting an itemized budget.

There is a minimum age for jambo but the scout needs to be used not having adult supervision and be mature. The boys leave the troop site and are gone for most of the day, with their buddies or patrols doing activities. There are only 4 troop leaders and 36 scouts. If your sons troop is not boy run he will learn fast how that works.

You need to learn to take the compliment and say know. If you say Yes to many times you will be doing many things poorly instead of one or two things well. Avoid scouter burnout. I was feeling a bit overwhelmed a while back and quit several positions. You can improve your cub camp promotion by utilizing the Order of the Arrow to help you.

I am sure whoever makes them is in China. Not sure what you want to do but you can buy existing ones and polish the picture off and put whatever you want on there. or buy material from a sheet metal shop or mcmastercarr.com and bend them yourself.

I get a kick out of you guys that a resistent to participate in training. Learning is an ongoing thing. It is not required to retake the course but it is fun and I always learn something new from course materials or participants and most of all meet new friends. I have take outdoor training 3 times and have also been an instructor many times.

You could continue to hide with your unit or volunteer to help with a training course and get an new training card.

If you claim to be trained because you took a training course 22 years ago you are deceiving yourself. Policeman, fireman, baseball players are always training why are scout leaders any different?

I will go with the "where is it written" about troop committees voting.

I side with the committe chair on this. A tax on each scout for gear seems so government like. Just have a pancake breakfast and raise some money for troop equipment.

Committee members are not representatives of anything. they should have specific jobs ie training, membership, etc. Since when is scouting a democracy?

Philmont sells all their left over food at the end of the season. The intent is for shake down trips by next years crews. Obviously the council in question bought the surplus food for their program to save money. Real sure national would not be giving directives on how to handle their inventory. Expired product should be caught during a camp inspection.

He doesn't need to swim until he is 15 or so. He can complete all the meritbadges for Eagle, all the requirments for 2nd class and 1st class except for swimming. as he matures he can work up to being a "marginal" swimmer. I didn't pass the swim req's unil 15 and i still got my Eagle.

Waiving a requirement because he is afraid to do it is a bad precident for him personally.

Using the same logic scouts can't squirt a garden hose. When I was a scout we used the #10 cans used for fire buckets next to the tents. Super soakers weren't invented yet. Next capture the flag will be considered war like. Oh yeah, it is.

Many times the groups have talked about sheath and the legend that they are banned in scouting. I was thinking I would buy an official BSA sheath knife and wear it proudly drawing stares and harassment from fellow scouters. Never got around to buying one but low and behold a friend of my wife gave her some scout stuff. I mentioned all the angst sheath knives cause amoung leadership and my boys agree its just plain silly. Before the rise of lock blades both my sons cut their fingers either closing the knife or the knife closing on its own or the knive breaking at the joint. I must admit I don't have much use for carrying a pocket knife when on a scouting trip since all i have to say is "knife" and there are plenty to choose from. However since I like to camp cook a sheeth knife is totally practical for me since the troop chef knives wouldn't cut hot butter in July.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out

I must be an easy going advancement chair since the pinned on patch doesn't bother me(I've seen them staped too) The badge of rank is more for the scout than anyone else. I would raz him a bit tell about how my uncle used to make extra money in the service sewing patches on uniforms.

What bothers me more is an Eagle candidate coming to a board of review with a merit badge sash, OA sash, and lodge flap and he's never been to an Oa meeting.

I wonder if this unit also asks for an ID card?

one more thing. You don't have to look far to find bylaws in violation of bsa bylaws. Found this on my first search:

Following is the official Troop XXX Boy Scout Class A Uniform:

1.Troop XXX black hat

2.Troop XXX black neckerchief

3.Khaki shirt, short sleeves

4.Scout Shorts, Scout uniform pants or dark blue jeans

5.Neckerchief slide

6.Scout socks (with shorts only)

7.Scout web belt and Boy Scout belt buckle

8.Merit badge sash (not required for troop meetings)

this troop cannot have its own "official" uniform since there is only one and blue jeans are not part of it.

Random thoughts on the issue:

I've been in 5 different units in 50 years and they never had bylaws, constitution or whatever. Way back when I was a den leader the boys made a "code of conduct" Remember that whole boy led thing?

Two different DE's have told me units are not supposed to have bylaws. Could be heresay.

There are only 25 pages in BSA's bylaws.

Imagine giving a new scout a 58 page rule book. He won't come back!

Attendence requirments for rank are null and void, no matter what you call them.

Don't make things complicated scouting is not a democracy Committee Chair, Scoutmaster, Senior Patrol leader run things.

If a unit at our council camp in Michigan wants to go on a canoe trip off base they must have CPR, safety afloat and paddlecraft safety. Since the council is a separate corporation they indeed can add anything they want for getting a tour permit. this may be something that is required by their liability insurance or a state law that superceeds BSA rules.

Our camp is "considering" reducing the camp tent expense by giving a credit to units who use there own tents. It appears to be a shuffle of money but I guess its a sign of the times. Pretty sure none of the tents and the 2013 jamboree will be spec wall tents so it I guess they may fade into memory.

so this thread wandered off of the orignal topic, got distracted by a special order shirt. Was their officially any changes to the uniform mentioned at the National Meeting, or will the topic wander until next year?

Since I have been in scouting for over 30 years and saw almost every configuration of ceremonies i asked my son and the other scout who was getting Eagle at the same time if I could go "outside the box" planning their ceremony.

They both went to Philmont so I made up a slideshow. That did not end up being part of the ceremony, just a display at a table.

Ceremony as i recall it

there was some tradional elements, flag cermony was by the book, also felt the eagle promise and the Eagle charge were important.

I wanted the stage to be a bit different. I brought my dad's coffin flag to use as a backround. Since it was Christmas time there happen to be some trees with lights on the stage. So that turned out pretty cool.

The other eagle dad and my self did an outdoor cooking show skit. This is an adaption of an old cub scout skit as I recall. We were cooking up some eagles. Recipe included tenderfoot, sceond class, 1st class, badges, 21 merit badges, patience, money, a few other things, more money.... This was very well recieved.

Then we did the John Wayne Scout law. I got a recording of it. After that we introduced the candidates like they used to introduce the Bulls playing "Sirrius" by Alan Parsons Project The lights were turned off by this and we used big flash lights as spot lights.

The boys chose not to speechify, however I brought in a ringer for the Eagle charge. He was a camp director but in his real job he is a teacher in communication and a very animated speaker.

We closed the ceremony with Fly like and Eagle by Steve Miller.

You need to be carefull when quoting: Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures since is somewhat dated.

Since the 12 steps to Eagle on the Project work book and the Eagle Application have some updated wording that is not in Advancement Committee Policies and Procedures. The application and the 12 steps superceed procedure spelled out in ACP&P

sounds like a wording problem in the project. Eliminate the word donation. Change it to the sponsoring organization will provide materials for the project. Eagle delegates the COR to buy the materials and turn receipts into the organization.

Time for a reality check, the exec board can only replace an SE if they have reasonable cause, not because they don't like the guy.

Another reality is that in most councils less than 5% of the COR's ever show up to an exec board meeting, and unless there is a major crisis going on they seem to be okay with letting the appointed board make all the decisions. It is the SE in most councils who ask influential individuals to join the board, so guess which way they might vote?

Your scenario, while it may be how it is on paper rarely imitates the reality of what is going on in most councils nationwide, like it or not.

BadenP

With repsect if this is not the case in your council who's fault is it, but the volunteers??

The status quo tried to sell our camp several years ago. After a lawsuit and lots of negotiating our council is run by the COR's. Even with a few scouting volunteers on the executive board.