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Now doesn't this look better? http://members.cox.net/jtreat/images/TrainedOnTop.jpg

Here are some pictures. http://www.scoutstuff.org/BSASupply/imgviewer.aspx?img=627sup_is It could be that the emblem will stay below the badge of office. But I sit here with long sleeve shirt and emblem in hand and I can tell you that no one in their right mind will put it there. It is the same width as the loop for holding the sleeve which hides the lettering very well. Here is a picture: http://members.cox.net/jtreat/images/Arm_Pocket.jpg . Needless to same I'll wait to put this patch on, but if it does end up under the pocket then it will never go on this uniform. (This message ha

"No Scout under 18 can ever tent alone" I have heard this, but I've not found the source for it. As far as I can tell it is not in the Guide to Safe Scouting. Nor does the new T9a requirement as it is possible to use the buddy system with separate tents. Please help me out on this.

You can sew the Arrowhead under the pocket. It will be covered when the sleeves are rolled up and the loop will hang over it when they are not. Hopefully they will have a guide out soon or at least an inspection sheet. BTW, I wore the long sleeves around this afternoon (104). It was hot, but not any hotter than a t-shirt.

Regarding the Trained Leader Emblem. On the long sleeve shirt there is no place below the emblem of office. Based on one picture online it has been relocated to the pocket flap. There is absolutely no place to put the Commissioner Arrowhead below the pocket. It would fit above the pocket if they don't wear unit numbers. I guess that would be a good thing. It bothers me when a commissioner wears unit numbers it makes it look like he only serves that unit.

I was down at Council today for a NYLT followup meeting and went in to see the uniform. The hat is great, I don't see any problem getting it adopted by the troop. The socks are great as well and a much better price. They only had the canvas pants. About the same weight as the old ones, nice color. Not having the zippers on the bottom leg is unfortunate. But considering the number of scouts that I have that have worn out the the heels of their switchbacks it is not a bad thing. I may put zippers in. The pants do have elastic in the waste, so there is a couple of inches of give and the scout wit

John-in-KC, I hope this wasn't July 26th. If it was, I'll be happy to have a talk with one of the tykes. Although, I have a hard time picturing him voluntarily being up at 5:30 AM.

I was surprised to see that a couple of people listed Silveraxe instead of checking NYLT. Unless the name is used by other counsels, Silveraxe has used the NYLT syllabus for a few years now. I understand this was the last summer they will call it that. It's not a magic bullet, but it does seem to help. I'm hoping that in addition to have a scouts as participants that I can get at least one to commit to being on staff each year. From what I can tell, spending a week as a Troop Guide at NYLT is a great learning experience.

ursus: This is were we take the grammar back up again. You may ignore it if you like. As written: The sash is to be worn at Order of the Arrow functions and special Scouting activities, when members need to be identified as Arrowmen rendering special services. BWWW is correct that here is a common error in the sentence. What to do about it? BWWW believes the correction should be something like this: The sash is to be worn at Order of the Arrow functions and special Scouting activities [and], when members need to be identified as Arrowmen rendering special services. I contend

"Weve defined the actual rule based upon the interpretation of the finest of grammar and punctuation, so now what?" No, there is a lot more we can do in the area of parsing the grammar and punctuation. But pointless. So now what? How to apply it? Keeping in mind that a scout is courteous, it would be inappropriate to tell a scout about to be honored for earning his Eagle (or the scouter at round-table, or the scout at a troop meeting for that matter) that he shouldn't wear the OA sash. If he asks, absolutely you should tell him. During a uniform inspection, certainly. It is a uniform

Yes, I inherited this. I've been working on it for about a year and a half now. I've got it so that I feel good about the current T-2-1 program. Are they perfect? No, that comes with repeated use. I'm working on getting the patrols to utilize skills in their games. But a patrol would rather play basketball than bring the material to splint 8 arms. "Steal the Bacon" takes no planning, having a contest involving lashings does. When I try to steer them to something than might require a little effort I get cries of "I thought we were boy led!" Unfortunately the method this troop has used (unt

This is difficult. I very much want to be defensive, at the same time I want to make sure that the program is the best that it can be. But getting there is not a clear or simple path. I don't mean to argue, so thank you for your patience. You do not let your patrol leaders train and check off advancement? The SM/ASM Specifics training has video modules showing just that scenario. It's part of boy-led/boy-enpowered. You will notice it that video that the PL knows how to tie the knot and is able to teach an other scout how to do the same. What do you do if the PL does not know how to tie t

Why not let the boys write a job description for the SPL to include his required/expected level of participation? Then they are selecting the candidate pool.That is what they have done.

So, are you saying that any boy should be eligible to be the SPL? The Scoutmaster's Handbook states that "Each troop sets its own requirements" for the SPL. The scouts determined these requirements years ago and are free to change them. All I am doing to seeing that they are implemented. Requiring the training prior to election rather than after would be the only change, and that bit of timing is not particularly important to me, it just makes it easier on the SPL in that the out going one is doing the training and not the new one. If a Patrol elects a PL who you determine isn't qualified to

jmwalston, thank you. I do appreciate what you are saying but I do have a could of issues with what you wrote."Only allow fully trained ASMs or scout leaders who have gone though the extended TLT training (so I know they have the skills themselves) sign off on skill requirements." Bad idea. It is adding a requirement to rank. How does this add a requirement to rank? From the Advancement Guide: The Boy Scout is tested. A Scout may be tested on rank requirements by his patrol leader, Scoutmaster, assistant Scoutmaster, a troop committee member, or a member of his troop. The Scoutmaster

The two references mean vastly different things. To me that is a significant change hence my wonderment. How are they vastly different? As I pointed out in an earlier post, the 1977 handbook states that the sash is to be worn at special functions "only when members need to be identified for rendering special services". The only significant change is the removal of a parenthetical clause that resulted in an ambiguous pronoun.

We will see. They have not been discussed with everyone. Among those I have discussed items with the younger scouts (predictably) have been in favor, the older scouts have been mostly okay with things but with a level of apathy normal in 15-17 year-olds. I'll meet with the SPL and ASPLs this weekend to go over the agenda so we can be on the same page before the conference and we will make any modifications needed.

I washed my sash from my youth and it must have shrunk because it barely makes it across the chess and under my left arm pit.

Of course kilts would look best with the old knee-highs with garters and tabs. Which would enable us to get rid of the silly shoulder loops.

Our annual planning conference is coming up in two weeks, troop elections are a month after that. I've been thinking about the current program an ways to make it better. So here are some things I'm thinking of doing. Free up at least 4 months for just patrol activities. The patrol leader will be expected to lead his patrol in planning and executing these activities. Change the way we do elections and leader transition. In the past we have the patrols form (they don't change much, but there is always a few that move to a different patrol) and then they elect their patrol leader with t

If the paragraph had contained only the first sentence then I would agree with you. But that last sentence, "This is to be done only when members need to be identified for rendering special services" makes it clear that it is only to be worn when there is a need to identify the members because they are serving in a special way. The antecedent of "this" is "[wearing the sash at] special Scout functions such as courts of honor". The statement prohibits the wearing of the sash when special service is not being given.

Plaid is for Celts. Here is the kilt for today's man Be fore warned, not the best language on the site, but nice kilts. (This message has been edited by jet526)

The OA Sash is a symbol of the honor that ws bestowed upon a Scout by his fellow scouts why should he not wear it with pride. It should be worn with pride, but when appropriate.(This message has been edited by jet526)

The current handbook has: "at OA functions and special Scouting activities, when members need to be identified as Arrowmen rendering special services."

BTW. It is good to see that you are in a troop that at least has you have a merit badge sash. It has become as optional as the hat (and seemingly pants) in far too many troops.