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  1. I have been in the same situation with my DC. I was part of the activities committee for a while my mom(who was on the DC at the same time) was alive(passed away in 2006) and then switched to the advancement committee(overseeing the L2E process and Eagle BOR's).

     

    I had done this for six years, and then all of a sudden, the nominating committee selects a new advancement chair(I wasn't even considered) and then was replaced without any notice(phone call or email), just replaced. I was livid and demanded answers from the District Chair, who stated that there were problems while I was doing my job( I never knew of any until that moment).

     

    I stepped down from the DC in March and never looked back. I also stepped down from the Council advisory committee too.

     

    I currently served as the COR for a Troop and Crew at my church and on the Troop committee as the L2E advisor.

     

    I was also recognized for 30 years of service to the scouting program back in December of 2006.

  2. jtswestark Just learned of this post even though it is three years old, I thought it needed to be addressed.

     

    Eagle92 It may be just specific to the lodge I belong to in Illinois

     

    John-in-KC same reason given to jtswestark. Just adressing an issue that I made aware of from another poster about laura's question about how to get an adult selected to the OA.

    I am currently the only adult OA member in this troop(recently received the Vigil Honor) and I am not a control freak as she has posted. I have and continue to promote the OA in our troop, but can't seem to get those that are currently youth OA members to go to outing or even meetings. They seem to have the idea that getting selected in a right, not an honor or priviledge

  3. Your troop must attend 50% of the Chapter meetings/Lodge or National OA functions so that you can have an adult nominated in 200_.

     

    None of the scouts that are OA have done in this troop. They believe that it is a right to be in OA, not an honor or priviledge.

     

    There are 6 scouts that are OA and only once or twice have they even attended any OA function and she seems to think that I am keeping her out of OA.

     

    It is up to the Troop Committee, not me that makes the decision to nominate, but if she were to do things right and not cause problems, then maybe, just maybe, she would get nominated, and I don't see that happening anytime soon.

  4. I'm going to side with BobWhite on this one. The DE should not be involved with financial issues of a unit, only the CO should be concerned with the finaces as anything/everything the unit has actually belongs to them(the CO) anyway.

     

    As the COR for a local unit, I can request an audit, should the CO feel it necessary, if there are monetary issues.Currently there are none.

     

    The DE should only be concerned with the unit itself and worry more about the scouts/scouters. Too many people forget the chain of command and where it starts and stops:

     

    #1 Unit Level(try solving problems locally before going to #2)

    #2 District(should stay here and never go to #3 unless absolutely necessary)

    #3 Council(only the DE or DD should get involved if absolutely necessary, and never go to #4)

    #4 National( too many people cry wolf and go directly to this, only to have the issue sent right back to council and then to district)This should never happena as it makes the council and district look like they don't know how to handle problems or issues on thier own.

  5. Ok, I had been my local district's Eagle Board Coordinator up until March of this year for a total of 6 years.

    A scout who successfully passes his Eagle BOR IS NOT considered an Eagle, but is considered an Eagle Candidate,  until his packet is returned to the local council office. But the date of the BOR is his official date that shows on the certificate and wallet card.

    Although I coordinated the process with 6 reps in my district, I sat on the occasional board and made sure that the scout understood as well as the review board that the scout is only a candidate until the packet is back in the council office.

     

    How hard is it for someone to play by the rules and quit adding their own rules to national policy or make them up as they go

  6. tddbr00

     

     

    Retesting a scout on his skills at a BOR is strictly prohibited by national policy. The scout should know his knots and only the SM can retest the scout prior to his BOR.

     

    A Board of Review is only to find out what the scout likes/dislikes about the program, changes he would like to see and additions/deletions to the program and any other information that he chooses to share with the review committee that is normally stated that it stays between them

  7. In my council, this reference is required. The only exception to this is that if the scout has religious beliefs, but doesn't attend a place of worship, a parent can write the letter. I over see the Life to Eagle process in my district and have that question come up on more than one occasion in the past 5 years. Therer are lines for the following on the Eagle application: Parent/Guardian, Religious, Educational, Employer, and two other personal references.

     

    The only letter that is not required is the Employer reference, as some scouts that earn the rank of Eagle are too young to be employed.

     

    One other thing to remember too, a Scout that has successfully completed the Eagle Board of Review is considered a "candidate" and not an "Eagle Scout" until the paperwork has been approved and returned from National. I have had that question asked of me more than a half dozen time in the past 5 years as well.

  8. Ok, Let try this one...

     

    If a scout were to do a Blood Drive for an Eagle Project and the Blood Center sets a limit of 40 pints(which they do) to be collected and at the end of the drive it is determined that only 30 pints is collected. Does this constitute a successful Eagle Project ? FYI, the Blood Center won't sign the paperwork to approve as the limit that they set was not collected.

     

    I am done with this thread.

  9. John-in-KC

    Agree with all that the District and Council Advancement Committees have, by National Council Policy, to approve an Eagle Leadership Service Project before it goes forward.

     

    Does a blood drive pass muster? Depends on what the local Council Advancement Committee tells the districts it's willing to accept. I'd advise Eagle1984 to sit down with the District Advancement or Council Advancement Chairman or the professional staff member responsible for advancement and have a quiet talk.

     

    As to EagleinKY's comment, Irving is turning around Eagle Packages in less than a week. There's no approval down there; they're receiving the app, processing the paperwork, and pushing a business certificate sized envelope out the door. The EBOR, from my recent experience, is the final check and balance for most youth. The ones for whom it's not the final are:

    - Those who are entering an appeal process because they were rejected by the EBOR

    - Those who need an extension to obtain an EBOR after their 18th birthday.

     

    Again, my observations.

     

    John, very good observations. I am a member of the district advancement committee and have already done what you have stated. The district and council advancement committee don't see where a project like this would show leadership, since the blood center does most of the legwork to begin with. The problem is as stated earlier in this thread is that The American Red Cross (depending on the area) has a sheet out for Basic Criteria for an Eagle Scout Project. The number #1 item is that the scout MUST provide a minimum of 55 donors as a goal depending on the target market's population base. I have organized a few of these in the past 3 years for my church and have not once even come close to the goal that was set for me by the blood center. How can the scout be expected to reach the same goal. Not everyone can give blood.

     

    I did a search on Blood Drives for Eagle Projects and saw at least 2 to 3 blood centers with criteria for Eagle porjects on organizing a blood drive.

     

    Let me ask this question then, What exactly make a blood center experienced enough to determine or set criteria's on what is an acceptable Eagle project ? Has this criteria been approved by National.

     

    Before being tuned into the bad guy on this, I just want to state that every blood center/bank is always looking for blood 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days of the year. Communities hold drives as do community groups, and other organizations within the community.

  10. I would like to put out the proverbial feelers and get you take on what would constitute an acceptable project for the Rank of Eagle and what would nott be acceptable.

     

    There is a scout from a troop in my district that wants to do a blood drive for his eagle project. He called for verbal approval and he was informed that we(the district advancement committee) don't think that doing this type of project exhibits leadership at all for an acceptable project. Even his Eagle advisor along with his father think it is a good idea and even faxed me a sheet from the American Red Cross showing guidelines on how to set up a successful blood drive for an Eagle project. I even called council and was told that the council advancement committee stands firm and doesn't think it exhibits leadership either. The Eagle even went as far as saying that council needs to start a list of acceptable/unacceptable projects for the rank of Eagle.

     

    Your thoughts ??

  11. Longhaul,

     

    You are a member of the District Advancement Committee so you should know if there is a policy concerning gas powered tools being used in connection with Eagle projects.

     

    We have had scouts use only adults for the use of gas powered tools, but for some reason or another this scout's mother thinks that her son should be able to do so with proper supervision, but I disagreed and she was upset with my response. But looking back at part of your original answer, I don't answer to her and if she can't accept my answer, that is her problem. It is the son's project not hers.

     

    Thanks for the help.

  12. LongHaul,

     

    You have some vaild points and here are the answers to your questions.

     

    First, how is answering to this parent your responsibility?She approached me and asked these questions looking for answers.

    Are you a member of the TC? Yes

    Is she a member of the TC? Yes

    If the TC decides that no power tools are to be used then that is all that needs be explained. Certain power tools can be used per the G2SS

    The TC has no obligation to justify its policy to anyone except the CO. This is G2SS policy not TC

     

    Yes we all want to live together in harmony so the TC tries to explain all rules and policies but even National cant force the CO or TC to approve actions which the CO or TC find questionable or possibly dangerous.

     

    If the TC and CO are OK with the use of power tools why should you object? I never objected, I told her I would look for the information and get back to her

     

     

    Second, just which type of power tool are we speaking of?

     

    You posted I figured that the person in question wants to know why her 16 year old son can't run gas powered equipment. If its her sons Eagle project why is he planning to operate the equipment instead of supervising the operation? Are we talking about one gas powered tool? She wants to know why no one under the age of 18 is not allowed to operate anything gas powered in relation to an Eagle project

     

    Third, just what is the project that is being proposed? Not sure, he has never come forward with any ideas

     

    Has anyone spoken with the District Advancement Chair as to the current or past practice policy on such tools? Is this a safety issue or a personality issue? I am part of the District Advancement committee and have been overseeing the project process in my district for over 4 years, I am also and Eagle Scout in the Class of 1984(hence my forum name.

     

     

     

     

  13. There is an adult leader in the troop I am with who is also a mother of a scout in the same unit who has questioned the use of gas powered tools use on Eagle projects. I know that the G2SS states that power tools can be used, but she wants to see it in writing that gas powered tools can't be used. I have read the current version(2004) and can't find anything.

     

    Can anyone help me out ??

  14. The troop I am currently with has no knowledge of what it takes to plan am Eagle Court of honor. We do however have several adults that have been in the program 30+ years that actually offer to help the scout and parents with the planning of the special occasion. I, myself planned as much of my Eagle COH myself without any help from my troop or parents. The troop presented me with a nice gift.

     

    The troop could/should buy or at least offer to buy some of the things that are presented(ie, the Eagle Kit), the cake and some of the decorations only if the parents cannot or will not pay for the stuff for one reason or another.

     

    If the scout has substantial monies left in his troop account, he should be able to use that to help for some of the supplies, if not all of it. In my troop if there are monies left in the scout's account, it reverts back to the troop general fund.

     

    I hope this helps some.

  15. So what you are saying is that each OA Lodge in the US makes up their own rules as to all apects of the Order.

     

    I try and make sure that unless it is an official OA function that NO ONE, adult or scout wears their sash unless it is what I previously stated.

     

    Eagle1984

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