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    It's important to have these reminders. We tend to get so invested in chasing the ideal of what we want for our troops and scouts, we miss the really important stuff that is going well. The last couple months of scouting for me have been somewhat stressful as I help the new Scoutmaster transition into his role. Its important to come to terms with what we can control and what we just need to stop worrying about.
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    Kudos to you, @Eagle94-A1! Keep thinking like a proton and stay positive! 🙂
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    A rare creature that some of us have actually seen. Unlike of course the mysterious Unit Executive which is a mythical creature which has only been rumored to have been seen by some scouters that say they caught rare glimpses of one, but it was always a foggy nite and if you ask me their tales are often a little far fetched.
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    No, blanket announcements of "I need a volunteer to . . ." don't work very well. Conversely, putting people on the spot is not my favorite technique either. One has to be a little devious but if you know the adults you should have a good idea of who may or may not be a good candidate for the position you are seeking to fill (or task to be accomplished). It takes some skill but get with that person one-on-one, talk sincerely about the need and how you think that person would be a great asset and nine times out of ten you close the deal - no public shaming required.
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    I am brand new at this leadership stuff. In my view, people need to be "voluntold". It's just like when you need someone to call 911 - you don't say, "Somebody call 911!" Instead, you point at a particular person and say, "You call 911!" Generic pleas for help often go unanswered because everyone assumes that someone else is going to step up. Put people on the spot. When you have your parents sitting there go up to a specific parent and ask them, "Will you take the YPT training this week?" Make them commit or shirk publicly. Go right down the row.
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    That's the age I went on my first week long scout summer camp, with my parents, dad the scout leader, mum running the stores, and looking after me. My memories of it are patchy at best. I know I knocked around with another couple of leader's kids, and the farmer's field we were in had a damp bit that may have been a pond in winter, and a hollow tree in it. I would guess the scouts were all in patrols, as they usually were, and did all their cooking and stuff themselves, as well as coming together for activities and games and so on. I guess it's possible, probably even, that I wandered over to the patrols, they let me poke the fire, and kept an eye on me. It might not have been the ideal, but it was what it was, it was that or not enough adults to run summer camp. Oh, and lest we forget, Baden Powell took his 9 year old nephew to Brownsea for his experimental camp, though if memory serves, he was designated as BP's "orderly". So taking kids on camp is nothing new.
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    You're complaining about having an enthusiastic leader?
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    I'm following your point. I do think it would be good for a Troop to apply the same standard to any member. But, I do think folks would look at behavior problems warranting a parent and physically or mentally disabled scout requiring specially trained individuals as unique cases. I don't think being a girl is an exception case like these. A "boys only" troop asking any invited, co-ed dens to provide proper supervision seems like the right way to go. So, in cases like the one in this topic - there is an easy solution with no impact on the troop. I do understand that this specific case is unique. My fundamental point is that a Scout pack or troop consists of Scouts. When we do events, we do events as a Troop. If you're a pack or troop that has both male and female members - I think you operate as one troop. It just doesn't feel right to say - "ok boys, we have enough adults for you. sorry girls, we don't have enough adults for you". You operate as a single unit. I understand that a single troop with boys & girls is not allowed yet - but some troops will act that way. I fully appreciate how difficult it is for units to find enough adults to go camping as it is now. I know that suggesting that we make it harder seems crazy. I just think that it's the job of the Troop Committee to think through the impact of operating an co-ed program. But, when those situations happen, a troop or pack should do what we normally do when we have insufficient adult YPT coverage - we cancel the event. It's disappointing to the Scouts - but it also reminds adults that their involvement is needed to operate the program. I cannot count how many times in our troop the threat of a canceled campout gets parents to sign up to attend.
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    So where and when is this campout? I'm a female; I like camping; I'm registered; I have YPT. Can I bring our girl Webelos den?
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    CANBERRA, Australia -- The organisation has admitted they did not listen when some victims came forward. "We failed you, and we apologise for the pain that this has caused," Scouts chief commissioner Phil Harrison said. "Scouting sincerely hopes that the apology will help those who suffered through their time in Scouting, as well as their families who have also been affected," ... "The apology is a genuine and heartfelt admission that, for some young people, their time in Scouting was a negative experience. For this, we are truly sorry," Scouts Australia Chief Commissioner Phil Harrison said in a statement. Scouts Australia joined a national redress program that was recommended by the royal commission and began on July 1. The plan covers people who were sexually abused as children by institutional figures over decades. Payments are capped at 150,000 Australian dollars ($106,000), with previously received compensation being deducted from any new amount. Scouts, Young Men's Christian Association, better known as YMCA, Catholic Church, Anglican Church and Salvation Army were among the first organizations to sign up to the government's redress program. Harrison said Scouts Australia had listened to the royal commission, survivors' groups and individual survivors who have said an apology might help with victims' healing. Scouts Australia national general manager Cathy Morcom said while scouting organizations in some other countries participated in similar redress programs, she was not aware of any other national organization making a formal apology. Volunteer Scout leaders must now update their child safety training every three years and the organisation has adopted a National Child Protection Policy. Scouts also has a "two deep" policy which means leaders are never to be alone with a youth member. The organisation said they must look to sell some of their scout halls and camps to compensate abuse victims through the redress scheme. "In some instances, we do need to look at selling our assets," said national coordinator of redress and NSW Scouts chief commissioner Neville Tomkins. Source with apology: video http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-05/scouts-apology-for-child-sexual-abuse/10341546 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/scouts-australia-formally-apologizes-to-sexual-abuse-victims/
  11. 1 point
    Two grandsons new in a cub pack. There are (horrors!) girls. No one seems to notice. They do stuff together. It's almost as if it's not unnatural.
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    I agree and disagree. There are plenty of exclusive private and public universities that admit only the best high school students. They have an important place in our society. I teach science at community college, whose mission, in part, is to provide second (or more) chances to students that did not do well in high school. Every quarter I have one or more single mothers who are often my best students. Most of my students are in the so-called lower middle class, supposedly the main Trump demographic. Some of them work hard and some continue the habits that put them and their families in the socioeconomic position they are in. We must continue to make sure that affordable post K12 education opportunities are available to our public and open on a first come basis.
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    While I firmly oppose BSA's girl decision, I strongly support kindness and sensitivity in personal interactions. Even though their Cub Scout Pack is at fault for breaking fundamental rules about mixed-gender Dens, a kind approach is still merited as the situation gets resolved. A Scout is friendly, courteous, and kind, and nobody should be made to feel like an outcast. First, I'd explain in the friendliest way possible to the girl and her parents that we are excited for her interest in Scouting. Then I'd also explain in the friendliest way possible that because we are a boy-only troop, we are not structured with the right organization and leadership to provide her the Scouting experience that BSA has designed for girls (providing as many or as few supporting details as they like). Finally, I'd offer assistance to help her find a girl-only troop or a linked troop in the area that *is* structured with the right organization and leadership to provide her that great Scouting experience (with an explanation about the rollout beginning in February 2019). If these good-faith gestures made in friendliness are rejected, it would seem clear to me that this girl and her family are not looking for a solution - they are looking for a fight.
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    I gotcha. We all know that they reason troops invite packs to events is for recruiting. However, from that pack perspective, these are great events to encourage Scouts to continue along in the program. We have all kind of Cubs visit our troop knowing full well they will never join. We do this in order to help these younger Scouts in their journey and hope a few decide to join us. So, now we're in a world where we might have some girls visit us. So what? Yep, they can't join our troop, but we sure can serve as older role models and encourage them to continue along in Scouting. Even if we decide to stay an all boys troop, we'll still roll out the red carpet. That doesn't seem such an awful thing to me. So I guess that's forcing a troop to do something against their will - but I'm struggling to figure out what.
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    Legal action seems strong, but as a whole, this pack sure doesn't seem to have their act together. You can't invite girls to attend and then backpedal. That is tantamount to gender discrimination. You're either 100% in or you're not. I think they are even fine with saying "we're in if we get 5 scouts". But, inviting girls to join, attending meetings, excluding them from events - that's just wrong. The other unfortunate thing here is this seems similar to some of the other petty unit politics we see. Pack makes a decision, someone complains, so they make a different decision. It gets overlooked when it's more innocuous things. But, when it comes to something this, the unit creates a mess when they do it. Someone needs to help the COR/CC make a decision and stick with it.
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    That doesn't seem exactly right. The threat is that "If we are not assured that she will be allowed to attend and participate fully then legal action may be the next step. I also plan on having a word with the school about allowing an organization to sell a program to girls that is then excluding those girls. In the future, parental permission should be required for outside organizations to use school time to recruit." That is not threatening legal action to require all units to go co-ed. Just that the troop shouldn't offer a camping opportunity to a pack and exclude some of the pack members. Now I'm skeptical of the potential success of such legal action, as the bsa is a private group and private groups can be exclusionary. The flip side of the bsa being a private group and their ability to be exclusionary is the somewhat legitimate point that not every private group should be granted access time to schools.
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    College is meaningless if you go just for the sake of getting a degree. What I don't get is the mentality that college is just about the degree. Every high school kid gets it drilled into them that if they want to get into a good college they need to do more than just show up in class throughout high school. And yet when they get to college, all they do is show up for class and work towards graduation, and then wonder why they end up feeling like it was a waste. I don't think college is a waste of time or money, as long as you go there intent on doing something to better yourself and grow from the experience, in addition to getting that degree. My college had mandatory community service project time required of every freshman (I worked for Habitat for Humanity). I learned the most valuable lessons throughout my college experience outside of the classroom. And I grew as a person more than I think I would have without the college experience. Lots of so-called "experts" today want to quantify the value of a college education, put a number to it and figure out if it pays off. But their only determining factor in that seems to be the question of whether you get a job in your chosen field after college and how much that job pays. My profession (art director, graphic design) doesn't require a degree. In many job interviews I've been on, college never even came up. It's all about your portfolio, showing what you can do, not what school name is printed on your diploma. But who I am, the person I became after those years away from home and in college, the connections I made and the path my life took afterward, that was all heavily driven by just being in college, going through that experience and growing from it. Somehow this particular discussion about the value of college often comes down to putting the blame on the schools, that they don't prepare kids for jobs, they are somehow failing their students. I don't agree with that. College is an opportunity. It's up to every college student to decide what to do with that opportunity, and just like every other educational step in the lives of students before college, nothing is guaranteed at the end just because you showed up. This belief that colleges are failing students is entirely turned around. It's the students failing themselves, or maybe the parents failing their kids, if those students go to college thinking they're entitled to (or guaranteed) something at the end of it just because they showed up to class and passed the tests, or that the benchmark for a worthwhile college experience only goes as far as some perceived dollar value of that degree.
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    I agree with Peter Thiel 's statement in the posted video that reformation of college education will come from the outside. IMO, outside from education consumers, parents and students, in high schools. My younger son is not attending high school, he is taking courses at a local community college - better teachers, better courses. He has friends doing the same, other friends attending charter or private schools , others being home-schooled, and still others though physically in a public school are taking Virtual High School classes from Stanford or BYU. If grassroot's educational consumerism can prevail over the state DOE and teacher union, reformation of college education will follow. My $0.02,
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    I think the organizations are just too different. One or the other or both would have had to have changed a lot for the two to have coordinated their programs together. I think that coordinating the two together, even if the attempt were to meet halfway, would have required a lot more change from BSA than simply adding its own girl program. And I doubt if GSUSA would have wanted to meet halfway, either.
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    Yes, there is a war on boys and men and it is horrible. The same people that are waging war on boys are also waging war on girls and women. Boys are being treated like toxic monsters that need to be drugged into submission and girls are brain washed into thinking they are helpless victims that can't do anything on their own and require special help to get anywhere in life and men are the eternal enemy and oppressors of women. Back when I was a kid, boys and girls liked one another and got along pretty well. My Boy Scout troop sold Christmas Trees along side the Girl Scouts and things were pretty dang swell. When I was a young man in college young men and young women got along great. Maybe if the BSA troop level scouters pull a fast one on BSA national and follow the model of Girl Troops and Boy Troops instead of just going co-ed, we might end up with something very special, girls and boys getting along again. Boys becoming fine men and girls becoming fine women. I wonder what kind of kids an Eagle Scout Man and an Eagle Scout Woman would raise? BSA is still a spark of hope in a world that has lost its mind.
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    I usually let these be on the shaky legs on which they stand. But when they seem to come in spades, it might be time to correct. Barry, you should know by that ad hominem serves only to hint that any real arguments you have are specious. If at any point I have lorded my erstwhile rank over someone else, please quote. I vow to contact them personally and apologize. Until then, let readers know that your aim is blind. If I can claim superiority in anything it is memories: of young women and men at a camp fire baking bread on sticks, of them settling in on an Appalachian plateau beneath a stand of hemlock for a game of cards before dusk, of rocks and bogs and songs and dance, of one helping another up the giant's ladder on a nigh-time ropes course, of the foreign scout helping her American mates remember their knots. If you want to challenge my arrogance, such as it is, challenge that I have been deluded by experience, that my judgement is clouded by smiles of a rather peculiar brand of youth - exceptions from the rest of the nation. Yes. The crisis is that scouters have fabricated a lie about needing an institutionalized safe space for children of each sex across all parts of the nation. In doing so, they have alienated boys who so happen to patrol with their sisters and girlfriends to achieve the pinnacle scouting experience of hiking and camping independently with their mates. Since colleges have increased integration, a larger percentage of American boys than ever are likely to complete college https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/11/gender-education-gap/546677/. That an even larger percentage of American are also likely to complete college does not negate the historic academic potential for our average high-school male. Meanwhile American scouters have touted sex-segregation, and a smaller percentage of American boys and girls than ever are likely to join scouts. What kind of safe space is it when your target audience wont join?
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