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Boy, I'm not sure why you want to set people's teeth on edge before you offer input, but you sure do a good job at it. It's not the way I'd try and persuade folks, but I'll assume you have a reason. I put my scouts at risk at pretty much every camp-out, it's called "adventure". Last campout they went trail (bike) riding and we had 2 kids take headers off their bikes when they hit stuff. One kid got what I assume was a really really mild concussion cause he went headfirst into a tree (a little dizzy for 3-4 seconds), the other got a long shallow scrape down his wrist. They also used ha

@RichardB I know better than to not follow the rules. So I do my best to keep up with BSA policies to the point that I have often had to tell my council's professional staff what is and is not allowed by BSA as they are not aware of the latest rules. My biggest problem is that BSA continues to break the first point of the Scout Law, Trustworthy, with the repeated lie in the FAQ found here https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/prohibited-activities-faqs/ , that "Dodgeball has never been an authorized activity in Scouting." As I have shared with you and others repeatedly THA

A New Scout on the Old Trail ... the spirit of adventure. https://www.theodorerooseveltcenter.org/Research/Digital-Library/Record/ImageViewer?libID=o285595 A young "Boy Scout" standing outside his tent meets "Davy Crockett, Buffalo Bill, Texas Jack [Omohundro], Kit Carson, California Joe, [and] Dan'l Boone." Caption: "Put it thar, Pard! Yer do us proud!" Artist Will Crawford 1869-1944

Just to be a little nit-picky. "Non-profit" is not the same as "a valid 501c3 organization". I am the sole member of a Non-Profit LLC in my state that exists for the purpose of "owning" a set of canoes for youth group use. But since there's no money coming in or going out, I haven't bothered obtaining the 501c3 designation from the IRS. So, all 501c3s are non-profit, but not all non-profits are 501c3s. You could theoretically have a non-profit chartering a troop that simply filed taxes as a non-exempt entity.

I'm not an attorney. But I have been informed that the SOL can be tolled based on several potential grounds. With that in mind, a lawsuit may still be allowed to proceed in a SOL state. Therefore, releases in bankruptcy are necessary. And while the compensation is much lower in a grey or closed state, the potential for a valid claim remains and has to be settled. Personally, I'm disgusted by the inequity that allows a minimal assault in an open state to be more highly compensated than a victim of repeated severe assault in a closed state. It doesn't surprise me in this country, and this

When a car salesman says, ‘This is a great deal’ my first thought is ‘For whom, you or me? Same here. The ‘best’ path forward for the BSA is the current proposed plan. Great deal for BSA.........and The LCs make out like bandits in the current plan with releases granted , even to LCs in open states. These Open state LCs should not be given civil releases. They should have to fend for themselves in court. The proposed plan is absolutely NOT the best path forward for survivors in open states with high value cases.

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Harper's Camping and Scouting, An Outdoor Guide for American Boys, published 1911 https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006563460 https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t3416w045&view=1up&seq=72

Well, I'm glad they didn't forget the ketchup....

You hit on the main reason "friends of" were to be avoided. It does take a bit of extra work. It's easy to become a 501c3 / charter org. The hard part is the small amount of work every year needed to stay as a valid 501c3. Many will fail to file paperwork at some point and put their status at risk. BUT, most scouting units are small and not targets. ... If you wan to keep running, I think it's a good option.

While I personally understand your point, I feel calling it a lie may be a poor choice of words. To me, it is simply a sloppy use of words. Too many today are unable to write concisely.

@RememberSchiff, $25 from 1911 in today's dollars would be $727.87. https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1911?amount=25 That's $17.33 per person per day. Pretty good! But with our advances in food production, storage, and logistics over the century, and changing it to a more "modern" list (we rarely cook with lard or butter anymore), I'd bet this cost would be much less (than $727.87) today. Thanks for sharing!

IMHO. Easier to seal a document than redact. During the course of this case, requests for sealing court proceedings appear automatically granted (good luck getting the minutes of hearings). And other anticipated bench rulings have been deferred to continued mediation. Despite his compensation, I would not be surprised if mediator Paul Finn resigned due to frustration with work load. My $0.01

So ordered https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/1c19f2b8-7e01-4c75-a187-620fa4f4d081_7401.pdf

@Eagle94-A1 Perhaps there are other options or motivations behind the incredible opportunity to keep youth (and adults) safe when doing the Scouting program. For those on this forum that continue to put folks at risk in the name of Scouting, please stop. As a reminder the current Scouting program which some of you proport on these forums to be chartered to operate: 1) has no option for youth only activities without adult supervision. https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/gss01/#a 2) has limits by design: "Some activities considered by youth and leaders are not comp

There are quite a few...we could start a new thread on that 😜

I would think twice and after a lot of legal consultation before i would ever think of starting a " friend of group" as as chartering partner. The friends of group could now be the finically responsible parties if an event where to occur. Not sure i want to loss my house and saving because a child is hurt or injurie not alone being a victim of an other. If the Big Dogs (CO) are running scared I am personal not willing to pay the cost the cost or take the risk Just the cost of defending yourself as the chartering body could be in ten of thousands of dollars. John

NCS ... National Camping School ... I'm aware of it, but I know zero unit adults that have used NCS in their unit. That's always about council staff running council camps. Unit scouters use G2SS. If it's not in G2SS, it's effectively not real guidance to units. As far as I'm concerned, this is a new rule introduced since April 2021. Rules not provided to units can't be held as real rules. IMHO ... there is a line somewhere here. The rule intention seems more about units trying to create something that competes with council / district activities. The rule correctly points ou

I've read all the BSA rules I can find, backwards and forwards, I'm pretty sure I've never seen this one before Covid. Interestingly, it has nothing to do with CO rules or CO approval of leaders, because it's up to council to approve, so there's no formal approval needed fro the CO.

I agree. The TCC would have endorsed the first proposal if the Hartford deal was not included. That proposal had even less money in it from the LC’s so LC’s would have been better off. But no the BSA sided up with the Coalition thinking it would be an easier yes vote and my opinion will it will end up a no. This will cost not BSA more money but will hurt the LC’s.

Agreed. Outside of COVID statements, I question if it existed before. I do weirdly appreciate learning where I'm wrong. I am not sure yet though that it's different than I wrote. ... I just don't like infer more strictness in rules than really exist.

I feel for the situation. When you write "we have to be part of the bankruptcy", I see that emotionally and for debate. I just don't see it legally unless your state opens liability before BSA bankruptcy finalizes. IMHO ... this is an frustrating point of law ... I just don't understand how expired liabilities can be legislatively re-created. The Supreme Court has created a really weird situation allowing expired civil SOLs to be re-opened because they are different than criminal SOLs.

"Prosecure all perpetrators." Expired criminal SOLs can't be extended. That's the law. Liquidate LCs ... LCs are not in bankruptcy right now. So, it's not their chapter 11 or chapter 7. Only BSAs. No matter the route this goes, there is no adequate result. Plaintiffs expect millions. It's just not there. BSA does not have the assets. The funds just are not there. Even the LCs don't really have the assets. ... I doubt insurance companies even have enough to give each of the 98,000 plaintiffs a million. ... This whole bankruptcy is arguing over thousands or tens of thou

Really interesting post with interesting details. Your 1st half (befor COVID FAQ) ... I'd argue your CO can require that both supervising adults be members of your CO unit, but the G2SS does not explicitly require that. It's your CO's choice. The G2SS has a vague flip-flop. Rarlier refering to "in a unit serving" and later just refering to registered leaders. The 72 hour paragraph never says "unit" anywhere. It refers only to registered leaders; aka BSA application; BSA background check and not removed from BSA. We've always had trouble differentiating BSA registration ver

As you are referring to my post I will tell you that I have read multiple post from multiple people discounting what survivors are due under the law. We are due compensation for pain and suffering as would an accident victim would be and anyone saying less is saying we as survivors are due less than others. There is no one throwing money at survivors. As I have said this is a line of thought I have read from multiple posters.

Wow. Writing a simple, but precise document is really hard. G2SS seems vague. It's clear, the person must be registered with BSA (aka background checks, etc ... who calls the references on the adult leader app ... the local council? ???) ... But page 1 "Adult Supervision" sometimes refers to "registered in the unit" and sometimes just "registered as leaders". https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/34416.pdf ... numbered page #1 Unless the G2SS is re-written more precisely, I'd interpret the words as written. G2SS Pate 1 ... "All adults accompanying a Scouting

I hear good and bad in your writing. "Grays" ... This whole BSA bankruptcy is because of grays that are now being exploited by a legal system because the words in the charter did not match what everyone expected ... not church leaders ... not scout leaders ... not BSA staff ... not parents. Further, the structure creates problems because of unit leaders seen effectively the same as church staff and BSA staff. ... The fact is words matter. If the charter says XXXX, that XXXX better be happening otherwise there is negligence and liability for damage. The CO is smart to not want to si

The larger property management issues you raise like logging and just general poor stewardship of scout lands is another crazy disconnect. As far as Jamborees, I mispoke. I meant all the local scout jam type gatherings and what have you. They are almost always high stress on local resources and often planned without consideration as to impact. A 50 acre field mowed at the wrong time of year can be disastrous for grassland breeding birds for example but a Council that logs isn't going to be at all concerned about a bunch of fledglings. It's sadly funny that in some places you will have greedy

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OK, understood...a few clarifications, maybe? It is "Minimize campfire impacts" not "Minimize campfires"...LNT does not discourage campfires, but promotes building in established fire rings, using dead and downed wood, letting your fire burn to complete ash, and only building it the size you need, etc. Respect Wildlife...spot on...especially the MB's...rank requirements have been changed to say pictures are an acceptable method of "collection"...I'd recommend all ranks and MB's align to pictures, and collections only with permission of land managers (geology, forestry, etc., where a

Hawks and owls are a sign of a healthy ecosystem...lots of food for them, or they wouldn't hang around. Mice, voles, snakes (in warm weather)...and, if you have skunks, then Great Horned Owls! Skunks are one of their favorite foods.