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  1. Scouter.com is not well liked by National and believe me, while we are all scouters, we have various opinions of BSA. I think if BSA fails, we will help build up a new scouting organization. If you want to know what national thinks of scouter.com just read this article .. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/boy-scouts-confusion-about-girls-in-boy-scouts#.pfl5BBjVE We do our best to allow topics to be discussed without editing/censorship. You will find that this forum is much more open than reddit/bsa or reddit/boyscouts or any BSA facebook group. However, there are ti
    7 points
  2. Half crazy? That is generous. I think they must be full on 100% crazy to take on a moderator role for this site.
    6 points
  3. I second all of that. Factor in this little story, as well. Add it to the consideration of “who [you] are dealing with” and “Don’t send your Eagle badge back to National. It does not seem to care.” You may or may not have read this post of mine long long ago, but here’s a recap. While in Wilmington applying to be on the TCC, I spoke with a lot of guys. The tension and raw emotion was palpable. Nervous sweat and incredible anticipation. Hopeful, but intensely vulnerable. Attorneys and BSA big-wigs milling about. I connected with one fella who was literally wringing his hands. We got to tal
    4 points
  4. Folks without your specific issue are struggling to deal with National's bankruptcy. Me, a non abuse survivor, Eagle, who has pretty much devoted my youth and adult life to Scouting, father of 3 Eagles, am trying to make sense of the whole situation. Later posts by you than this indicate your concern whether you completed all of a merit badge requirements for a particular merit badge-in light of the possibility that your abuser just "signed off" to send you out the door. If, as you indicated, there may be another merit badge you completed without issues that will "cover" a needed me
    4 points
  5. CynicalScouter needed a timeout. His behavior was abusive, even if I agree with his points more often than not. The moderators have a thankless job, so thankless I stopped doing that job years ago, because it was killing my enjoyment of the site. If they chose they could have restricted all discussion of the bankruptcy at the beginning and practically one of the only places for BSA CSA survivors to get information would have never have happened. This is basically the only place to discuss this topic on the internet, but there are still rules and standards of conduct and if folks do
    3 points
  6. As a board member, I receive council information. Since this chapter 11, the legal counsel requested that we not release any information. Whenever the attorney advises that the information can be released, the council will do so. My actions are in keeping with my obligations as a board member and in keeping with the Scout Law.
    2 points
  7. The one critical piece of the financials I have not seen in these documents is budgets and cash flow. A balance sheet is great for telling net assets, but not very useful to tell what is needed to run a council for 2 years. Also, what is meant by they two years of finances to run a council? Does that mean they have 2 years of operating expenses on hand or does that mean two years based including two years of projected income and cashflow? Those two numbers would be very very different. And in this given situation, projected cashflow would be very difficult to project.
    2 points
  8. Yes. It is a word problem worthy of the SAT. Two Pennsylvania councils that serve parts of New Jersey with total assets of $23 million. John Lucas, the (TCC) panel's bankruptcy attorney, says New Jersey's share of the settlement alone should be closer to $44 million and with the two Pennsylvania councils should total $58 million so the two PA councils new TCC proposed total is 58-44 million = $14 million 14 / 23
    2 points
  9. Going to lock this topic a bit to so some cleaning. Looks like we went way off of the Michael Johnson discussion. I'll move some of the comments and others may just hide (no offense intended). Ok, I moved a couple of posts. Others that were not on topic I hid. I was a bit heavy handed as the forum feeds are filled with this one single topic and many points were just quick back and forth messages that were not necessarily on topic. This isn't bad, it just makes it difficult for those who are attempting to keep updated. If you want, you can spin off new topics in our forums.
    2 points
  10. I want to take a moment to respond to ThenNow’s excellent follow-up questions about my post earlier this afternoon. Unfortunately, I could not respond immediately when I had to rush a family member to the emergency room. Things have settled down enough for the moment, that while I am waiting for news, I will give it a try. My initial post was essentially an affirmation of Vol-Scouter’s still earlier post concerning the national BSA review process and limitations. Much of my information comes from national and regional training and conferences on youth protection that I attended
    2 points
  11. I was thinking if it was that cheap I would buy it!!!! Thank you for posting good information as always.
    1 point
  12. Whenever I ask for financials, I always get the "Why do you want to know?" To me, that is the first sign someone is hiding something. I even got this when I asked for IRS 990s. At least for the IRS 990s, I wrote back, "Because the law says you have to provide them."
    1 point
  13. Yes. You're right. My source. Plan 5.0 https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/da60d7ce-df85-45e9-9737-4dd1a5d50014_6445.pdf pg 429, total contribution $260,391 Unrestricted Net Assets $417,106 ...so I assumed the difference was the value of the unsold council property which I assumed unrestricted. I missed page 345, for Chief Cornplanter Council as of Feb 28,2021 Assets Cash & Equivalents $ 105.349 Land, Buildings, and Equipment 182.408 Long-Term Investments 957,394 Other As
    1 point
  14. That has to be a typo on land values. That would be extremely cheap land.
    1 point
  15. My council is being damaged by the proposed settlement. The numbers that the TCC wishes are too high and will result in rather rapid bankruptcy. The councils cannot afford to move all offices from a population center to a camp that is usually remote and an hour or two drive from the current offices. Wanting the TCC plan is wanting to dismantle the whole of Scouting. For those who are victims of abuse, this might be a goal or you do not care which are attitudes that I believe most of us understand and accept. Please understand that there are those of us who wish to see Scouting to move
    1 point
  16. They are to be mailed by the 15th. Then it is up to USPS as to when you receive.
    1 point
  17. So, if I read this right, John Lucas says the NJ & PA councils should be giving over 70% of their total assets? Will that leave them with 2 years' worth of operating funds? (I thought that was part of it.) I would be surprised if most non-profits could survive after giving that much. There are many opinions about what percentage of assets should be contributed. Northern New Jersey Council's proposed contribution is over 30% of their total net assets. For those who say LCs should give 'til it hurts, I'm willing to bet it's gonna hurt.
    1 point
  18. New Jersey's five councils, serving 54,500 youths with assets totaling $56 million are being asked to contribute $14.2 million toward a $600 million council share of the proposed $1.9 billion national settlement. Two Pennsylvania councils that serve parts of New Jersey with total assets of $23 million are being asked to contribute another $4 million. John Lucas, the (TCC) panel's bankruptcy attorney, says New Jersey's share of the settlement alone should be closer to $44 million and with the two Pennsylvania councils should total $58 million. The seven councils serving New Jers
    1 point
  19. Sorry to hear about the family emergency. I hope all is and are ok. Here’s where this took hard left turn. We’re in a Chapter 11. Creditors, like us, are called “claimants.” We filed “Proofs of Claim.” You used the word “claim” when talking about allegations of YP standards, not allegations or reports. As written, I interpreted that to mean, I think correctly, that you were speaking with someone who had reviewed “the claims,” as in the POCs in this Chapter 11. I think it’s safe to say I wasn’t the only one who chased the ball into the pond, but perhaps I was. All of questions were driven
    1 point
  20. I inherited an Air Scouts handbook circa 1943, it is really cool.
    1 point
  21. The answer is yes. Also, the person may never be allowed back in Scouting even if the case had little evidence and was not pursued by authorities. A close friend served on a committee reviewing appeals by people who felt that they were wrongly removed from Scouting. He told me that the process required the Scout Executive in the council to make a recommendation to reinstate along with a volunteer committee from the council also making that recommendation. The appeal is reviewed at the national council and if they think that it is reasonable, it goes to a regional committee. The regional c
    1 point
  22. I don't think anyone said that. What they said is that we shouldn't just do weekly meetings and eliminate the outdoor program. Honestly, scouting without an outdoor program is not scouting ... its school. So why continue? Risk management is not eliminating all risks. It is mitigating them while still ensuring the program/process/product can continue. My son downhill skis. Yes, he can die. He could get seriously injured. He wears safety equipment and skis within his ability ... but there is still the risk. The ski club makes me sign a wavier to tell me of the risks. My
    1 point
  23. QUIT ATTRIBUTING WORDS TO ME THAT I DID NOT SAY!!! He did a fine job with Youth Protection and was a champion. In my discussions with him, he did not understand that the experiences in the Scouts BSA program were to build character so he had difficulty in understanding what elements needed to be retained with a new way to protect youth rather than cutting it. It is not an excuse. I was the one advocating external academic researchers to continuously study the program. I agree with outside observers and did not say otherwise. You do not have the only valid viewpoint.
    1 point
  24. Just a meta-note here: There is going to be hundreds, I dare say THOUSANDS of discovery requests in the next 90 days. As a reminder of how the process of discovery works (generally). There's usually four types of discovery: Interrogatories: Please answer the following questions to the best of your knowledge. Requests for the production of documents: And "document" is broad. Email, text, note scribbled on a cocktail napkin. Requests for admission: Like interrogatories (and sometimes this gets blurred) but more yes/no. Do you admit or deny that you....Etc. Depos
    1 point
  25. They are not human shields, they are youth being served a high quality program. Please stop with the baiting of using comparisons. Victims on this site have stated that it is painful to see those comparison. Yet, you continue to poke and prod to get them. I can only conclude, you do not care if it is painful to them or you re trolling to get people to respond so you can rant more about your hatred for Scouting or if you just hope if scream loud enough other posters will just quit the site and go away (as it appears you have already succeed with @Daivd CO) Actually, I thin
    1 point
  26. @skepticand @CynicalScouter let's just drop it right now.
    1 point
  27. They said they are cutting one of the electives. I agree, too much book/classroom MBs. As a nerd, it was great/fine with me. But that isn't the program. The more Scouts is like school, the less Scouts we will have. They get enough school at school.
    1 point
  28. My favorite is the person who has said he will use Dennis Prager videos to demonstrate how systemic racism/institutional racism doesn't really exist. https://discussions.scouting.org/t/concern-over-the-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-merit-badge/212618/8
    1 point
  29. Went to Roundtable last night and spoke with some in our district who are usually well-informed and whose opinions I seek when dealing with issues. (There is a group of five, specifically, that I seek counsel with.) None of them knew who Michael Johnson was, nor knew of the presser. (This surprised me.) None of them knew the latest plan was out for a vote. Only one knew how much our council contribution was to the fund. All were surprised to learn the former Director of YP would say that BSA is unsafe. All understood my heartache over the issue and my wrestling with th
    0 points
  30. My observation is the moderators on this site are half crazy. I've never seen so much editing and censorship. Some attorneys are lions and some are vultures. Let people speak their mind. Placing CS in some kind of delayed post prison is silly. Nobody would understand 1/2 of this case without his posts. We sure don’t need his posts censored and whitewashed. Are the moderators simply jealous of his posts? If BSA fails, what will the moderators do? Sit around in green shorts and red jackets trading old antique patches?
    -2 points
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