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  1. Certainly agree. There is no science to a straw poll so even if some particular response is overwhelmingly selected, it means absolutely nothing. It could agitate people as those who believe that nothing less than chapter 7 for the BSA, LC's, CO's, and maybe insurance companies is the least that should be done as contrasted to those who want a sooner rather than later decision and would consider accepting some version of the BSA RSA proposals. Those who have not been abused and are Scouters will wish claimants to be compensated but will likely wish less severe financial payments. Let
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  2. This is just dumb. Its a group with 23 thousand members. Its not elite. Its far more accessible than most other methods.
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  3. For the record, I support both straw polls (when properly done) as well as stew polls (also when properly done).
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  4. With the inclusion of female youth in the OA, I wonder if National has gone so far as to realize that if females choose to be on a ceremonies team, a few of the current names of Principals will need to be changed. I also wonder if it will be left up to local custom and tradition as to what specific roles female youth could take on? In my neck of the woods (northern New England), you can have a female chief (though rather rare) and medicine woman, but not a guide or guard. In some traditions, only males may be chief (the Lenape have such a custom), many have medicine women, a few have guid
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  5. When you say you pasted the photo did you use the "Add Files" button in the forum post editor? That's what I used and it worked fine. Either way, it looks like you got it posted.
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  6. True, yes, thank you. So, again I am not as conversant in bankruptcy law, but I guess it is possible to have two competing ballots/plans to go creditors/claimants. So, I guess the ballot would be 1) BSA Plan 2) TCC Plan 3) No on them both or perhaps only 1) BSA Plan 2) TCC Plan
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  7. I totally disagree with all of this record-making stuff. The boys in the troop should feel perfectly free to cancel their activity, if the situation calls for it, without feeling like they are letting people down by spoiling a perfect record. I feel the same way about youth sports. They are way over-doing it with the stats. Too many boys are worrying about their stats when they should be focused on the game, getting exercise and having fun.
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  8. There was a call this week for our council area on UMC and Scouting. To say that the input was muddled would be kind. UMC has very real concerns and will not commit to anything until there is clarity from the BSA. The BSA, at least locally, has no real plan. Maybe units go find another CO, maybe not, maybe it will work out, whatever. Sad truth is, at least in our council, the concern for the actual units that are doing Scouting does not exist. Our feeling is they would be fine if we all just faded away, they could run the Scout units in the inner city neighborhoods (which are goo
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  9. To what end? Say the straw poll shows overwhelming support for Plan 4.0. How does that make this forum more or less “relevant to anyone”? Or the opposite: universal rejection of Plan 4.0: is the forum now suddenly more or less relevant? I guess what I’m asking is what result of a straw poll would convince you this place is still relevant?
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  10. Yes, these things did happen and were dealt with as well, though maybe not as soon as they should have been in some cases. Over the years, there have been instances of drunk leaders, leaders carrying firearms with not proper licenses, leaders and parents doing caravaning, even after it was recommended not to, units still driving kids in the backs of trucks and with improper insurance, or even none. These are all things that have happened and often were likely not even reported. But they are also reflective of what many in the larger population do regularly as well, in their jobs, in their i
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  11. Sounds like my SE, in the 18.5 months I was in, 12 DEs (including myself), a FD and a Finance Director quit. My successor left within 6 months of being hired. One group of volunteers got together outside of Scouting and celebrated with champagne the news he was leaving. Would a former DE actually creating 4 new units count for you? Starting a new unit following all of the 10 or 12 steps ( sorry old age is getting to me) is a long, stressful process. Most of the time if you follow the process step by step, your units are successful, but sometimes there is failure. One pack
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  12. Catholics ate fish on Fridays, so I would argue that we were the SOLE religious denomination.
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  13. @CynicalScouter You are correct. The LDS were signed up in 1913. The Scout Oath and Law date to the formation of the BSA in 1910. The USA was rather Victorian in 1910 and very heavily Christian. When one reads William Hillcourt's biography, "Baden-Powell: The Two Lives of a Hero", it is clear that B-P's mother is the central figure of the family (his father died when B-P was young). His mother was not very religious and neither was B-P. As you said, B-P wanted Scouting for all children to be able to join Scouting and London was even then a very diverse city. So not having a Duty to G
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  14. BSA was not always in control of its program. LDS drove so, so much. 1) The entire Varsity program was to appease the LDS. 2) Allowing segregated units/councils was to appease LDS which until it was SUED INTO SHAME in the 1970s prohibited African-America leaders. In LDS units, PLs had to be LDS youth leaders and since African American Scouts couldn't be youth leaders, there were NO LDS units with African American leadership 3) Things as mundane as "Why can't BSA units have raffles/games of chance" were all put into to appease LDS. For raffles/games of chance it was because th
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  15. Anthony Berger is very active in the Facebook Cub Scout volunteer group. That's a mixed bag to say the least, but he's accessible.
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  16. I'll just say, people are not machines. It is very difficult to tell masses of folks to do one thing, and then, when conditions change, flip the switch and expect a complete reversal of the momentum. There is likely to be loss of CO's, scouts, parents, and leaders after any reversal. People will have moved on or be fatigued by the whole mess.
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  17. As I recall my days in OA, the Scoutmaster begins the process by developing a list of scouts who are qualified for election, based on rank, # of nights camped, and last but not least, "Scout Spirit". Not sure how Scouts could enter the process without that step. I also agree that, beyond election night, OA participation is not a Unit responsibility. Back in my day, it was up to me to decide which OA events to attend and arrange for my own transportation. If my unit leaders attended, it was only because they were also OA members and were there providing "cheerful service" to the Lodge or Ch
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  18. It may also become moot if the OA ceases to exist in a few years. Which seems more and more likely.
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  19. I know my DE was just informed that 2 COs with 5 units told their unit leaders that they will no longer charter Scouting. 1 CO wants them gone completely, and will not even do a usage agreement.
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