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  1. The problem with ideas like this along with Defund The Police is that proposals without details come off as emotional venting. What are the staffing positions? What are their responsibilities? How much do they make? Where is the real fat? Barry
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  2. One of my concerns is that many councils may see this as a wonderful opportunity to rid themselves of the expense of inherited and unwanted camps under the guise of the bankruptcy. Selling a beloved Scout camp is a sure way to stir up a firestorm among Scouters and donors. Now councils can say "the courts made us do it" and shift the blame. I am skeptical that every last dollar will go into the settlement trust.
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  3. Once again, I'm a day late to reply. Apologies in advance for the tardiness. I think this is where many of us are coming from. Reading the eloquent posts from several of the victims here illustrates the point even further - why should a legal firm expect to take 40% of the compensation offered by the BSA to victims and survivors? Many of these men have suffered for decades, and have pointed out that the abuse they suffered has severely impacted their lives. Careers folding, earning potentials shattered, families wounded by fathers who simply cannot be all they want to be... of course
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  4. Troop was at summer camp last week. We had 20 + Scouts and 5 leaders. Total of about 1,000 Scouts, 150 leaders, 125 staff (+/-) in camp. Nice to be back after running our own camp last year Program ran like normal, which was good No cohorts or group requirements Some changes to food service, but not onerous The camp was somewhat short staffed Main challenge was college aged Scouts as colleges had reduced tuitions for the summer Also pay challenges with other businesses paying more and jobs plentiful Talked with leaders and most (li
    1 point
  5. I completely agree with a global, conservation minded approach to the processing of these properties. However, my fear is that the focus will be dollars and not sense.
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  6. My personality is the kind that sees the glass half full not half empty. The solution to disappointing recoveries from the BSA and LC’s is making the pot much bigger with insurance carriers and CO recoveries. Chubb, for example, lists assets of 175B and 45B in premium revenues It pays big dividends. Same with Hartford. And all the hundreds of other carriers with exposure The dioceses have Catholic Mutual which is backstopped by the Vatican The LDS church has insurance with huge reinsurers like XL Bermuda. The Church has a massive stockpile of assets the scope of which is which known only to
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  7. We have a situation underway the likes of which Scouting has never faced. A perfect storm of events which includes the impact of a bankruptcy around a staggering amount of abuse claims, a pandemic that has devastated membership in many areas and councils potentially on the verge of a financial crisis. In an ideal situation, camp property retention would be part of a strategic process looking at a number of factors. And if we were really smart, we would begin to think beyond council boundaries in our planning. In our state we have situations where two adjacent councils have primary summer cam
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  8. I was at CFL ... we started going there after going to LeFeber forever (then that was sold) and hating Long Lake (I know others like it). We were at CFL for 2018 through 2021 and will miss it. The staff and program was great. We had a couple of leaders talk to someone from TFC about the sale of CFL. Basically, it came down to a need to quickly get money and not enough time to make other plans for the camp to live on. CFL was profitable for the council. However, it also had a lot of grandfathered in equipment (toliets, plumbing, etc.) that would eventually need to be replaced and requ
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  9. Some thoughts and questions As we are seeing here, multiple council properties will be cast into the real estate market to meet the council's non-disclosed bankruptcy levy. The prime properties will likely go first to developers. Local towns like Stony Point and camp alumni will be SOL. Will more council properties (all three camps in this case) be sold over the levy amount but used for other purposes than the bankruptcy. i.e., mergers, endowments, rainy-day funds? We will not know. "We, the Council Key 4 were required to sign an NDA (non-disclosure agreement) regarding the bankrupt
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  10. Just got back from camp. 30 scouts, 4 full time adults and a sprinkling of others. 300 scouts at camp. Shortages at trading post and of counselors. The camp we attended was already sold due to bankruptcy but was being leased back this summer (for the price of our picnic tables). Closing campfire ceremony was tough… singing a song about returning next year… We visited Ed Bryant as a possible replacement but I wasn’t impressed so I think we are headed to Bear Paw next year. We only do patrol cooking camps and those are getting tough to find. I’d recommend locking in
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  11. We had one in Camp Gray, our first camp in the twenties, and he continued for a time to the second camp, 3-Falls, still in use, in the thirties. the kids and staff loved him, and he was duly missed when he decided to chuck it in. I think he may have been an army Army or Navy cook at one time.
    1 point
  12. My pleasure; that's what good Scouts do! 😄
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  13. A phone is a tool, like any other, and likewise should be taught to be used appropriately. It could have a lot of uses in a scouting setting, but unfortunately many units ban them. And in some cases, as evidenced by this thread, they even cite non-existent policies to enforce a ban. I think we're doing a disservice to scouts to just say "no phones" instead of recognizing that technology is here to stay and guiding them on how and when to use it in a scouting setting appropriately.
    1 point
  14. I agree about "don't know exactly what I expected from council but it would have been nice to see them make an effort". It seems the council felt virtual was the best thing ever and the less they had to do. Could still raise money, still pay salaries, close the camps so money saved there but no real PROGRAM input. Candidly we don't really need them, so over the years we don't look to district or council for anything but filing paperwork. And they wonder why we don't sell popcorn or really care about FOS
    1 point
  15. "Let me call you brother; I’m a Scouter too. Let me hear you whisper All the Scout Law through. Keep the Scouting Promise In your heart so true. Let me call you brother; I’m a Scouter too."
    1 point
  16. My collection of BSA campaign hats (except the one in the very back, it’s US Army).
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  17. The reason for many councils doing 10, 20, and even 30 is because with summer camps shut down last year you are correct that there was no physical costs, but there were still salaries to be paid for many of these camp staffers who in many cases are year-round employees. Those fees were simply to try and make up for the loss in revenue to avoid outright layoffs. You also saw some of these turn into complete merit badge mill with 100+ scouts in a zoom session. Again, the purpose was to make money, not keep integrity.
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  18. My council and many others, it seems, offered virtual merit badge classes. My council, and many others, it seems, offered these same online merit badge classes for $10-20 a pop, even though the council obviously wasn't providing physical materials for project requirements, printouts, etc.
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