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I beg you not to think this way. "Mass Tort" cases and especially those involving bankruptcy can take a long time to sort out. That is the case with this one and when you consider that the impacts were often mostly psychological the process of "vetting" claims will be significant and possibly time-consuming. In similar cases like asbestos there were "off ramps" so that people who wanted to resolve this quickly could do so. But, that came at a significantly lower award. Again, that may work for some but to maximize your award these cases take time and often include several rounds of awards

This all assumes you have more volunteers than open positions. "We haven't had that spirit here since 1969."

Recent sightings of new OA Camping Guides are rare. Today, I found this one 2021 Where to Go Camping Guide from the Catawba Lodge (NC). https://sites.google.com/a/catawba459.org/catawbalodge/information/where-to-go-camping-guide

This one is a burr under my saddle... one of the stated purposes of the Order is to "Promote camping, responsible outdoor adventure, and environmental stewardship as essential components of every Scout’s experience, in the unit, year-round, and in summer camp." In too many cases, this has devolved into putting up tents at an Ordeal weekend prior to summer camp, and not much else... Good to see some lodges still produce the WTGCG

Let me try to explain it this way: We can't minimize risk if we keep trying to blame youth protection failures in scouting on outside societal trends. What's going on in society is almost irrelevant. If we can't do a better job of minimizing risk within scouting, it really can't go forward except possibly as a family scouting destination program. The attitude that abuse occurs ubiquitously in society anyway so there is nothing more that can be done to prevent it deflects blame away from scouting and prevents the organization from dealing with the fact it still has a problem. That, in my opinio

Hi and welcome. You are correct about how far apart the sides are on damage amounts. $1.4 billion is the TOTAL BSA assets. That's selling EVERYTHING BSA has to its name. Of course, that's unrealistic since a) BSA is not getting liquidated and b) even if all $1.4 billion is sold off, there are other debts BSA would have to pay with that $1.4 billion as well. The number I expect BSA will pay is more than the $425 million it has offered but less than full liquidation $1.4 billion. Of course, that number is JUST the BSA contribution. There are contributions that have to come from

3 months later and wanted to give an update. I do not know how the council reorg is going in other areas, but in mine not so well. We have folks refusing to recognize the new district and want to keep doing things as if the old, local district was around. My old district had the best run district wide Cub Scout Pinewood Derby in the council, and we had support from a local community organization. Person running the event, who is both a Scouter and a member of the organization, said the PWD is only for the Cubs in this county. If Cubs from other counties want one, they can create t

One more thought ... maybe have an adult skills challenge. Put up a wall chart of requirements for you all. That way the scouts know that you are trying to learn this stuff too -- and they aren't even getting a patch for it. Include the BSA-required trainings as well. I was surprised how much it meant to some of the boys that we went through Scoutmaster training (of course, that came with a patch). Have your SM and ASM(s) signed up for Introduction to Outdoor Leader Skills? That's a challenge for most of us to fit in our busy schedules. So, getting them to commit to it is important.

Hello. I am just curious as to how it works when the Church is not the CO but the Troop uses its facilities. Did the Church refuse to Charter because of 'liability'? We recently had a similar go-round with our Church and our Troop....we are strong advocates of both by the way...but Church leadership has not been given valid info, thus the discussion.

I'll give you what my personal bias is in this discussion. I have had some involvement with a juvenile counseling and diversion program and while most of it did not involve sex abuse cases, it did underscore the necessity of immediately reporting and dealing with juvenile crises. An hour in some of those situations can be too late. You may see it as the needs of an organization to protect itself or maybe even just the lawyerly desire to proceed in an orderly fashion but crises with kids are never orderly. They are messy and can get out of hand quickly. Think of how impulsively the average adol

FYI, add another State to the list of those that are opening "Windows" for lawsuits to proceed: https://katv.com/news/local/arkansas-law-to-benefit-sexual-abuse-cases-against-boy-scouts-of-america This is why Councils in States where there's no legal path forward for victims at the moment should be fighting hard for a permanent injunction and not play the "it doesn't apply to me so why should I have to pay" game. In discussion for a long time, Louisiana was used as a State where the laws would NEVER change. Well, not so much and now 1,350 BSA claimants, if they are 21-55 have a litigati

When I was talking about emotional appeals I was referring to the logical fallacy known as an "appeal to emotion"; I wasn't accusing you of being overly emotional or anything. Though I'll grant you that my tone was perhaps a touch harsher than I really intended. That said, my problem with your arguments is unchanged. The issue we are discussing is whether or not it's reasonable for employers to establish a policy requiring contact with the Legal/HR departments before making a required report of abuse or neglect to a state agency. You believe it's not reasonable. But your actual argume

Right, because even if you know what other people were paid, that does NOT mean what you will be paid, given the unique situation here. For example, if 5 years ago a person sued BSA for having lost a leg due to an accident at a HA base caused by BSA's negligence and won $2 million, that's great. BUT that was back when BSA had more money and was NOT facing 82500 other personal injury cases. Thus, while a SINGLE loss-of-leg claim in 2016 might have been valued at $2 million, ten THOUSAND lost-of-leg claims in 2021 does not mean BSA (or its insurers) will be paying out $20 billion out t

I believe in the past there has been a concern that young people/young scouts will come onto this site for information and that discussions regarding specific acts of sexual abuse are not appropriate.

Minimizing risk? I have no clue what you mean. But I'm 100% offended that you are asserting this statement is the attitude that will cause us to lose scouting. Baloney. Absolute baloney. Wanting to blame others is what will cause division and destroy scouting. Worse, it's just mean and un-scout-like. If you really want to protect vulnerable people, you need to understand the patterns and nature of abuse. You need to look at the many, many varied failure modes. To repeatedly bash a single source is unconstructive. Past society failures to identify and prevent abuse

I think the word "appropriate" should be used as: is it appropriate for me to be asking in this forum about what one might get personally in a settlement. You know how you were abused and you can go to https://www.pszjlaw.com/creditor-125.html and look at the table posted and what the TCC believes is a appropriate. You can do a little research for number of cases and degree abuse and try to make a wild guess like the rest of us about how much total monies might come in. But the truth is until the end of the day when money gets paid out no one really knows. I wouldn't make l

Kosnoff Law @SexAbuseAttys Ltr to DiMemmo PA Ins Commissioner but no response. What is the Commissioner hiding? https://yumpu.com/en/document/view/65700116/ltr-to-dimemmo-pa-ins-comm… via @yumpu_com

I, for one, and not trying to trash anyone here or engage in bigotry. The Roman Catholic Church has had to (voluntarily and in some cases involuntarily) open up on its past practices, admit error, and seek to rectify the situation. Some of that, yes, did brush up against practices and policies of the Church, but that did NOT mean that all reform minded people were anti-Catholic bigots. I'm of that faith and I don't think my interest is based on bigotry. But I also think that sometimes those of a particular faith will be be quick to jump onto "you are just anti-RELIGIOUS DENOMINATION"

You are correct. My bad. The BSA contribution is either Global Resolution Plan: $119.9 million (if global) or $99 million (if Toggle plan) That's still peanuts $120 million/82500 = $1454

That's basically correct but it doesn't matter. It included the sum of all values on artwork. The artwork, which is made up of Rockwells and a lot of other artists has MAJOR issues. First, any time you dump a lot of an artist on the market you decrease the value because of the increased supply. If you hold it off the market and sell gradually then you incur storage and selling fees. The best solution is to sell it all to one collector. The problem then is that it will be at a significant discount. Oh, and the value of Rockwells, right now as you can imagine they are declining if there's

Ok ... moved the National Annual Meeting discussion to the NAM thread here: I also created a new discussion regarding LDS Abuse Handling. It seemed to start a bit related to CH11, but then diverted a lot and may be missed by others who are interested.

With all due respect, don't believe the work. 1) Greg Hallett really does not have any research credentials. 2. There are no references, citations or works cited in the chapter you cite. Where is he getting this information? IF as his bio states, he got these from interviews with KGB operatives, there would still be citations for these interviews, and even copies of the KGB records. After the fall of the Soviet Union, I have been told by well respected historians and researchers that for the right amount of cash you could get any KGB record you wanted. 3) FNZ Publishing appears to be a defun

Although it's stated in the history of this thread, I think it is worth repeating: The BSA does not explicitly ban fixed-blade knives or set limitations on blade length. On the issue of carrying a knife, fixed-blade or otherwise, that can vary depending on local jurisdictions, COs, Troop rules, etc. With the one exception being that I believe Cub Scouts are limited to use and carry of pocket knives only, at least as it is implied in Whittling Chip.

I'm a Michigander. Well, as far as why it's happening. The biggest reason is the fact that in Michigan everyone is limited to 2 terms, so pretty much every AG is setting up their run for Governor and this is guaranteed headlines for Nessel, particularly since her much discussed prosecutions for the Flint water crisis aren't making as much noise as I'm sure she hoped. But also, the state is primed for such investigations after the horrendous discoveries of years of inaction with the Nassar case. As far as why she was vague, well, I'd imagine she knew next to nothing about the BSA b

With prices like that, I'm banning those specific knives for myself. Crazy prices for museum pieces you would be afraid to use daily. More national mark up to pay for ...

I did one for wood badge for my troop. For our inexperienced PLC a list with places, distances, and key activities that would be exhaustive of places to camp within 2 hours would make them more self sufficient and less at the whim of adult leader ideas of where is neat (even me). My ulterior motive was to turn around and give it to the lodge. The lodge was more or less “that’s nice, maybe we will get to it, do you want to be an advisor for it”.