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I doubt that it will, but it could really depend on the MBC for it. For instance, I have seen First Aid MBC's do great jobs and scouts get great value from it. I have also seen it run so badly that the scouts learned nothing about First Aid. One of the best things that happened to our Cub Scout den way back when...was when a Muslim scout joined and the scouts got to learn first hand about religious differences.

@Owls_are_cool, the way I read it was that the scouts' proposal was reviewed by the district and got a "good enough." The scout is now concerned that those dissenting opinions might bleed through however many months from now when he has his BoR. It's actually a pretty decent life-lesson. You could convert a run-down bowling alley into the Sistine chapel, and someone's not gonna like it. How do you muscle through that opposition when you are up for an award and the opposition is sitting on the board? It's tough to say, "Respectfully, Sir, I got approval from your district on the exact spa

Five years ago, we did a high adventure. Two adults. Eighteen scouts. The high adventure camp staff treated our troop like all stars for letting the scouts enjoy their own trip and minimizing the adults. ' I'd encourage every troop to consciously work to minimize the adults on the camp outs. It is a youth program.

I don't believe there are any YPT rules against this.

OK, there's a ton of issues to go over here, but I want to cut/carve out one. If there fundraising is not needed, where's the money going? To the units? We can quibble about whether or not a EBOR is behaving or ignoring GTA, but if there's money involved and being misused, that's a whole other world.

Welcome to the Forums. My understanding is that once the project has been approved by the unit and district to move forward, they can't come back to say it should be a different project. Once it is complete and both the beneficiary and Scoutmaster sign off on it being complete, then the project is complete. It needs to be very well understood between the beneficiary, Scoutmaster, and yourself about what the project is and what is complete. I agree about talking to your Scoutmaster about working with your units Eagle Advisor. They typically are an experienced scouter that have

Here's an update from an Indian SM on the "longer" other side of the pond: Hope it helps to know we are not alone in our trials.

"In the field" ??? ... Most troops I know camp "mostly" at scout camps, state parks or something similar. Camps filled with support if truely needed. I'd agree that backwoods activities require a different level of support ... potentially. But even then, I've seen eight scouts and three adults do a long hiking trip multiple time. It really depends on the situation. I've camped with 30+ scouts multiple times with just one or two other leaders. It's not tha big of a deal. Yeah, two does feel thin at times. Having one or two extra is fine and nice so that you can play Hearts or able to p

Your argument seems to assume something "bad" happened? What? Tornado? Automobile accident? Lightning strike? "Lost" a child? Attcked a choild? Wouldn't the facts matter to how "hard" it is to defend the lawsuit? Two registered adults is the BSA requirement - whatever the size of the group - unless its a Merit Badge an Counselor meeting a candidate, when the "presence" of a second "adult" human being is the requirement. The "legal definition" of "negligence" is vague and subjective. If twenty registered adiults are preent and one of them strikes a child, injuring her, w

Brag away. No Dad-shame. My kid probably won't get it either. He is a 16 year old now and is more interested in girls, mountain bikes, and sailboats than BSA advancement. It is their adventure, not ours 🙂 So Cub camping counts? It would be interesting to add up all of my kids time camping. It is probably a lot since he would do summer & winter camps as a Cub/Webelos/Troop scout. And the last two years doing high adventures with his Crew and Ship. I probably won't calculate it, because that would be a lot of research.

Dad-brag... Son has been with it since Tigers...Eagle BOR last December. Is 15 and has 143 nights with BSA. This does not include all the camping we have done just Dad and son. Dad-shame... I have failed to communicate to him the value in pursuing the NMOA. Just not his thing, it seems.

When we have done high adventures we have kept the adults to the minimums. But that depends on the activities. Water based activities require more adults for supervision. When we are in the non-water based part like camping or hiking we are at a minimum of adults but we only have 12 active scouts so our ratios are lower. It is fun for us adults to hang way back and watch the scouts get lost on a hike. I remember last year our scouts walked us in a big circle and I pointed out how that truck looks a lot like mine..... They asked why didn't I say anything, I mentioned y'all look well h

I accept your declaration of intent at face value, but you still have not specified what is "vile". Your further comments indicate you find the conversation worthwhile after all, so I'm glad you apparently see it that way.

Whoa. I normally like what you have to say fred, but this is kind of out there. No, no way should 30 kids be out in the woods with 2 adults. Think of summer camp. Most camps, apart from the initial two leaders, want an additional responsible adult per 5 kids. So you send 20 kids to camp, you need at least 3 and preferably 4 adults. Thirty kids would require an additional two. That's pretty much what any other youth activity requires as well.

Insane? Legal liability? We empower scouts with stoves, axes, knives, rifles, etc. We take them out into the wilderness (usually a state park or scout camp) with weather, animals, etc. If you want to avoid liability, don't volunteer anywhere. We do have G2SS to explicitly follow and parents sign waivers for each campout. Beyond that, I'm not sure having extra adults would really help with liability. Would it prevent incidents? Probably not. Would it help when incidents happen? Maybe. That's why 3 or 4 adults can be nice, but it's just not that critical.

It's inferred. With 30 kids, the chances of something going wrong needing additional adults are pretty high. You've got to have two to stay and two to leave. From a liability standpoint you just shouldn't do it. It would be insane given today's legal liability environment.

Eh, I don't think you can have two leaders with 30 scouts any more. That's just not kosher from a YPT or liability sense. BORs -- I still don't get the value of having them staffed with people who don't interact with scouts. I think that' s the opposite of what you'd want. Maybe we've unwittingly broken some rules, but our BORs are usually all hands on deck even if that means grabbing a wandering ASM and plunking them in a chair. I've just never seen it be an issue of any kind whatsoever.

The media often discusses how America has divided in different ways, why can't scouts by whatever name be an exception and unify us. May 2021 gift us with wise judges and servant leaders. Another $0.02,

You painted a WIDE brush with your claim. Let's say that, for example, the Catholic Church charters a unit. You think they are going to support a scout leader as a homosexual? They shouldn't. Not because of what I or anyone else says/thinks on the subject, but that their statements of faith prohibit it. https://www.usccb.org/committees/laity-marriage-family-life-youth/homosexuality If BSA is going to say "You have to embrace our opinions on homosexuality", they are asking the church to go against their own teachings. That goes against the whole "supporting people of faith" that scouts purp

Here we go again. You're taking what I said completely out of context (and is a SPECTACULAR example of how the left is twisting the discussion. You started with replying to: with You ignored the points made and gave a definition of an unspecified term. I attempted to further clarify the objection with examples of what this side of the political spectrum advocates. You decided to change the subject at hand and imply we are criticizing diversity (apparently the definition you gave). Neither of us are doing so. We are criticizing the abhorrently abysmal "research" (which is lit

We are in uncharted waters here. PRIOR suits were against BSA and Councils. Most that I am aware of did NOT involved the CO. The problem is that a) the insurance companies are refusing to pay out on BSA's insurance (claiming, in part, BSA withheld information and that they caused their own damage which isn't covered by insurance) and b) we are not talking about a case here or there but THOUSANDS and the plaintiffs attorneys want all the pockets of money available and that includes the COs now. This also may be "unique" to LDS in the sense that LDS made BSA such an integral part of th

Do I trust the leadership of the local units? Absolutely. Their successors? Maybe. Their successors? The ways BSA has been trending, probably not. Hence the need for legal language to honor the intent of the donation. Do you trust Irving? I'd donate my mother-in-law to national, but nothing more.

If you don't trust the organization enough to donate the property unencumbered, you probably shouldn't donate it to them at all.

No, wasn't name calling at all. And how was my position righteous? Do you think all this arguing is going to get rid of or change the Merit Badge?

Scout camps have a ranger on-site with a house usually within a mile and other troops are near by. Most state parks have 911 coverage, other campers and county sheriffs respond quickly. If you have scouts with special challenges, the situation changes. And then I'd really ask the question ... are you comfortable taking responsibility for that specific scout? At that point, I'm not sure any number of adults will help ... unless you require the parent to attend. In my 15 years of troop camping, we've camped with 30+ scouts and two adults about five or six times. It worked great.