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  1. 4 points
    Don't approach the murder kitten like this guy did. Note that her kittens were nearby which puts her in defensive mode. Get big, get loud, don't run away. You can't out run it and running away puts the cougar in predator mode. DO NOT BEND DOWN! Note when this guy bends down the cougar charges. It makes you look small. Find a branch or something you can grab and throw without bending down. He eventually threw rocks and the cougar ran off. If you have trekking poles, water bottles, etc. throw them. Put the damn phone away so you have both hands free.
  2. 3 points
    This the theory behind the newer WB course, and mine at the time in 2000. But, there are a few unexpected complications that seem to upset the theory. 1. Scouters, even those coming from Packs, are expecting to learn some hands on scouting skills, especially leadership skills. 2. The staffs don't really understand what WB is trying to pass along, so they aren't selling their program very well in their course. Just reflect back on all the posts in this thread where WB is called a leadership course. It doesn't matter how much previous training a participant brings to WB, if it is called a Leadership Training course, they expect a leadership training course. AND, even the participants coming from packs believe the training is basically Troop related, if not intended. Don't get me wrong, I like the intended course, but if it's not presented properly, a lot of unsatisfied participants come out of the course. Maybe what is needed is a train the the WB trainer course. I would love to be on that staff. Barry
  3. 3 points
    I've ran into those critters. I've also ran into critters who believed if you aren't wearing beads, you don't know squat. I found it interesting that when i suggested something, it was ignored. When my beaded friend suggested the same thing, it was brilliant. Focus on your scouts. Do what is best for them. Don't worry about anyone else.
  4. 2 points
    This is an extremely rare encounter. Cougars avoid humans. You could frequently hike that area and not see one in 10 years. The presence of the kittens is the only reason he saw the cougar. People safely hike alone in bear/cougar territory all the time. Look at the people who thru-hike the AT, PCT and CDT. Most go solo. Might want to wait for the hands to stop shaking before wiping or you'll just create a bigger mess.😲
  5. 2 points
    Yes. National changed their membership policy in 1990 to accept women troop leaders. The unforeseen consequence was the sudden rush of unexperienced troop leaders needing training for a troop leader experience. Wood Badge was at the time an "ADVANCED" Scoutmaster training course designed for EXPERIENCED Scoutmasters who wanted to expand their skills. As an advanced course, the curriculum was heaving into using an idealistic simulator troop environment and culture as well as using scout skills for teaching models. The simulated troop and scout skills were just props for teaching ADVANCED TEACHING SKILLS. Not Troop Leadership skills. Big difference. You would think that Wood Badge would be the ideal course to for adults with absolutely no scouting experience to learn the scouting program because the participants live as boy scouts for 7 days. BUT, as I said, the course curriculum was an idealistic model for experienced participants, it was not intended as a demonstration for the common troop. However, because the participants didn't have any experience, they took the course as the idealistic model for their troop, and they went back to duplicate a troop where the adults eat all their meals with the scouts, then did skills trainings all day long and sang songs all night long. As a result, National we getting a lot of negative comments along with a drop in membership. National realized that if they were going to deal with a large percentage of new adults without a scouting experience, they needed a way to bring them up to speed on the Goals and Aims of the BSA program and give them better initial adult skills. That is what the course started as in 2000. Not sure what it is now, but I don't think it is all that different. I know it certainly isn't a troop leadership course. As someone who was asked to work with struggling units while on District, I liked the new WB course because the vast majority of the issues I was dealing with were adults who didn't understand the goals of the program and didn't know how to operate as a team. Scouts skills (at all levels, Cubs Troops, venturing) were not issues causing these units to struggle. Understanding why they were there and working as a team was the number one issue I was dealing with. Where National failed with the new WB was they took the WB name and respected reputation to develop the team building course. They should have started with something completely new. Now everybody wants a woggle. Shesh.
  6. 2 points
    "Now see, this? This part? That's where the cougar started to gnaw on my leg. Sorta painful, but just look at how amazing the wide angle lens is on that iPhone 12! Amazing, right? That's not a red filter, that's my blood smearing on the phone case, but can I just tell you that the phone never broke? I mean my leg did in multiple places, but the phone? Not. A. Scratch!"
  7. 1 point
    I wanted to pull this as its own topic out of the WB thread. Here's the first confirmed sighting of (National-sanctioned) virtual IOLS in the wild out of National Capital Council. https://scoutingevent.com/082-40623
  8. 1 point
    Nor have they mastered teaching outdoor skills on line. Not nearly. More pretend accomplishment.
  9. 1 point
    Well obviously the SM is gonna need to do some conferencing. He could start by saying there's a stranger on the internet who says the best scout ever aged out at 2nd class rank. What made him the best? He invited his neighbor to visit his troop. The corollary is, of course, that to be the worst scout ever all you have to do is drive someone to quit your troop. And I was on the brink of being that scout on a couple of occasions. The offending scout might not even have a clue about what he did. Did the SPL or the scouts' PL witness the altercation? Was it overt hostility or just one of those things a guy might say without thinking how hurtful it could be? These are the data the SM needs that he may not have. So, good luck getting it. The SM's best hope is that the offending scout recognizes that no matter how much he might have been part of the problem, he has a chance to be part of the solution and become the "2nd best scout ever." But that's about as much help as I think we can give on this side of the internet. The rest of it is lots of listening and setting up a safe, in-person opportunity to clear the air.
  10. 1 point
  11. 1 point
    Once the camel's nose comes into the tent....
  12. 1 point
    I wouldn't hike anywhere without a stick or a pole. We don't really have mountain lions around here but we do have bear. There are also a lot of people who hike with their dogs off leash and they are not all friendly. We have also had a number of cases of rabid animals attacking hikers. That's another issue scouts could use more consistent education about.
  13. 1 point
    It is an encounter though that may become more common. Cougar populations are increasing and the species has expanded. Dispersing young adults are being reliably if intermittently sighted in any number of unlikely states from Illinois to Louisiana to Connecticut. In Utah where this incident took place the cougar population has tripled in recent years. Black bear populations are also on the increase in many states. Since the U.S. population is also increasing and Covid is causing more people to look for more remote trails, this video is a good reminder to be prepared.
  14. 1 point
    Glad there is a video attached. Otherwise, I might have referred them to YP guiidelines.
  15. 1 point
    At one time there were 3 different WB courses: Scoutmaster, Cub Scout Trainer, and Exploring Advisor. Exploring WB was not around when I was a young ASM, just the Cub Scout Trainer and Scoutmaster. Both courses were intense, weeklong courses focusing on a specific program. You had to not only complete the basic training in the program you were in, but also have 2 years of experience AND be invited. The two years tenure was waivable, but you still had to be invited. Most WBers I encountered were cool, but there was some that were cliquish, and had attitudes. Sadly I seen the attitudes more since the changed it in 2000. The reason they changed it is to make it a "One Size Fits All Programs," which in reality takes away from the program specifics. Also anyone with basic training in their POR can take the course. I have seen folks who had rushed through online training to sign up for WB. I have encountered a few folks who thought they knew it all about Scouting because they went through WB, but had only been Cub Scout leaders or Scouters for a couple of years.
  16. 1 point
    LOL, WB used to be an advanced Scooutmaster course until 2000. WB is a designed team building course for all Scouters from Cubs to Venturing. But because of it's legacy, most participants and staffers think of it as Troop Leadership course and are greatly disappointed. Personally, I believe the value of the course is in the working the Ticket because that requires the participants to think what they want to do and then create a plan to do it. The rest of the course agenda is filler to have an excuse for serving frozen cheese burritos. Barry
  17. 1 point
    7. Don't hike alone in cougar / bear country. 8. After the encounter, wipe.
  18. 1 point
    I think they can also do the Protect Yourself Adventure instead of Cyberchip if you prefer. https://i9peu1ikn3a16vg4e45rqi17-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/510-77819-PTYR-Adventure-Tiger-Requirements_WEB.pdf
  19. 1 point
    I looked up the address where they had tried to serve Mr Van Arsdale on Bing Maps, and noticed a sign on the building that seems an apt comment on the case, or at least his involvement with it... m In filings today, it seems that the LCC/BSA and the TCC are mostly in agreement on providing full information about Local Council assets... some complaints from councils that they weren't properly given notice, and that they might need more time, but no objection to any other party finding that information out if they can obtain it somehow. The big sticking-point going into this week's hearing is rosters. BSA's latest filing says they probably don't have any rosters older than about 20 years, because that's when the National Council computer system was set up.
  20. 1 point
    Work with that newer councilor. Move past the SM and just get it done. It's sad when things like this happen, but in reality ya want your kid working with adults that want them to succeed. And, the vast majority of scouters are that type of person.
  21. 1 point
    I've never done WB and any interest in it died the first time I watched a bunch of grown adults sing that kooky song at a COH that led to two of our newly crossed over scout families immediately pulling their scouts out, lol. However, I've known a lot of people who have gone through the training and are just great people and seem to have gotten something out of it. I think the point is it isn't for everyone and a weekend or two of training doesn't a leader make. Sometimes it only makes bad leaders worse because now they have a badge. While I didn't ever do Wood Badge, I and another person did do someone else's ticket for them without realizing it so I think I at least qualify for a Wood Chip.
  22. 1 point
    Have you ever read "Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Talking", by Susan Cain? It helped me understand myself and my own leadership strengths as well as be able to better recognize them in some of my more "quiet" scouts. The book also showed how we often make mistakes about what true leadership is.
  23. 1 point
    I did all of that. It never bothered me.
  24. 1 point
    "How do we know any of the claims are real? After all some of these cases go back decades." Some of the offenders confessed. Otherwise, exactly. That is inherent in the political decision to allow stale claims.
  25. 1 point
    I do believe that there is a fair public policy question here. Should the country have ever removed the statute of limitations and should organizations like the BSA, churches, and other COs be responsible for abuse claims from that long ago? These organizations all have permanence due to the nature of the kinds of organizations that they are. They have all made decisions years ago that if made today would be considered reprehensible and subject to legal action. Should quasi-permanent institutions like these be held liable for the these terrible decisions by people who are long since gone and no longer affiliated with the organization? The actions of all these organizations today are radically different than those of 40 years ago. Should groups be actively be trying to disband them because of those actions so long ago? The heinous nature of these crimes makes it all but impossible to really have this discussion though. Anyone who would argue this point would most likely be labeled as being sympathetic to abuse. Even the BSA has all but refused to fight this trend of lawsuits. The BSA made what I fear will be a near-fatal decision to not push back on these lawsuits and frame them correctly. The kids in Scouting today would be much better off if the BSA had hired some very expensive PR and lobbying firms several years ago and fought this trend.
  26. 1 point
    Like gamblers - but at a rigged table.
  27. 1 point
    The purely political act of virtually eliminating periods of limitations for these claims means that defense is impracticable or literally impossible, Many of the accused and all other adults around at the time died years ago. Thus, accusation equals guilt. Indeed, it makes perfectly good sense is accusation equals guilt. "The statute of limitations is a statute of repose, enacted as a matter of public policy to fix a limit within which an action must be brought, or the obligation is presumed to have been paid, and is intended to run against those who are neglectful of their rights, and who fail to use reasonable and proper diligence in the enforcement thereof .... These statutes are declared to be 'among the most beneficial to be found in our books.' 'They rest upon sound policy, and tend to the peace and welfare of society;' ... The underlying purpose of statutes of limitation is to prevent the unexpected enforcement of stale claims concerning which persons interested have been thrown off their guard by want of prosecution." Pashley v. Pacific Elec. Co., 25 Cal. 2d 226, 228-29. 153 P.2d 325, 326 (1944) (quoting 1 HORACE G. WOOD. A TREATISE ON LIMITATION OF ACTIONS 8-9 (4th ed. 1916»; accord Neff v. New York Life Ins. Co .• 30 Cal. 2d 165, 169. 180 P.2d 900. 903 (1947). "Statutes of limitation ... are designed to promote justice by preventing surprises through the revival of claims that have been allowed to slumber until evidence has been lost, memories have faded, and witnesses have disappeared. The theory is that even if one has a just claim it is unjust not to put the adversary on notice to defend within the period of limitation and the right to be free of stale claims in time comes to prevail over the right to prosecute them. Wood v. Elling Corp., 20 Cal. 3d 353, 362, 572 P.2d 755, 760,142 Cal. Rptr. 696, 701 (1977) (quoting Order of R.R. Telegraphers v. Railway Express Agency, Inc., 321 U.S. 342, 348 (1944»; accord Lackner v. LaCroix, 25 Cal. 3d 747, 751, 602 P.2d 393,395, 159 Cal. Rptr. 693, 695 (1979)
  28. 1 point
    For a female scout who joined right at the beginning (February 2019), the timing is possible. The ranks with “time in grade” require 14 months, plus the time required to attain First Class. Since the beginning of February 2019 there have been approx. 19 months. So, assuming completion of First Class in 5 months, the timing is possible for an very advancement-focused scout. Particularly if the scout involved joined at an older age, and so was motivated by the deadline of aging out (setting aside the potential for extensions), it doesn’t surprise me that there are scouts who have either completed Eagle at this point or are near completion — even with the limitations of COVID on program in some areas. While there can be a legit discussion (and has been other places on the site) about speed to Eagle, etc. and whether the scout gets everything they could or should from the scouting program with that fast progress/focus on advancement, I can’t say I am disappointed with BSA and female scouts in BSA getting what I assume will be some positive national-level press and attention.
  29. 1 point
    In our area there are few backyards and certainly no one has swimming pools. Most scouts live in apartments in Elmhurst ,NY. All pools are closed now. In the best of times it is hard to find a pool where swim tests can be administered. Many boys have to be taught to swim before they can take a test. We use a college pool to teach but it is closed now because of Covid-19 with no opening date in sight. We still cannot camp overnight in N.Y.S. College life guard does not allow us to do rescues in pool. He does not even like scouts to jump into pool except at far end. These things sometimes have to wait to summer camp each year and with summer camp cancelled these tests were impossible tod do and scouts who had to learn to swim were denied the opportunity. We were going to be at summer camp with 16-18 scouts for 2 weeks.
  30. 1 point
    The BSA uses a commercial company to run background checks. What they're going to pick up is things that are a public record, basically a credit report and a list of criminal convictions if any. There is almost zero chance that what you're describing exists in any data base that anyone would be able to access. Put in your application, don't worry, and hope that this becomes a weird/funny story you tell in the coming years.
  31. 1 point
    I would leave the individual requirements blank (SC 5b and FC 6a) in Scoutbook if the Scout has not passed them yet. Scoutbook has a Notepad & Comments feature that is available for each individual requirement and at the bottom of each rank, merit badge, and award. You could add a note to First Class / Star / Life ranks and maybe one or more of the individual requirements that the Scout still needs to pass the swim test (the first requirement for each rank, Scoutmaster conference, board of review, etc.). At Scoutmaster conferences and boards of review, check to see if the BSA's COVID-19 swim test deferment is still in effect and whether or not the Scout has passed the swim test. You could also write notes in the Scout's Handbook saying that the Scout still needs to pass the swim test for the next rank(s).
  32. 1 point
    Yes, but this has become an issue in my district in central NJ. Many outdoor community pools didn't open this summer and indoor pools are still closed. In more dense neighborhoods, a lot of families only have above-ground pools. So quite a few units in our area have struggled to figure out a viable option for scouts who are hitting this requirement as their only impediment to advancing, which is a surefire way to disenchant them with the program. This is especially an issue for new scouts who are 14-15 (as many new girls are) who might not make it to Eagle if they have to delay advancing at all for another 6 months, on top of the last 6. And it's important to note, the requirement still exists, it's only being deferred.
  33. 1 point
    Stosh, Qwazse, Both excellent contributions. When I hear mobilization it means pack for a trip, grab riot gear, fill out this, etc., etc. Probably overthinking based on my pre-conceived, work-related definition of that dirty word. I really like the two step approach suggested. For the record, I have never been mobilized for anything that youths would be encouraged to go to...no looking for lost, etc. My primary assignment is fatal crash reconstruction & forensic crime scene mapping. I know enough about emergency management to know I am not a leading authority. I will check in with current em office holder, office across the hall has just been moved 60 miles away & new guy in it is learning the ropes.
  34. 1 point
    First of all welcome to the forum! I would think that state law enforcement and regional emergency medical teams may not want a bunch of little kids hanging around some major crisis, but as one who served in a small town in rural America, all hands on deck were a welcomed sight. Especially the scouts who were trained in what to do and and what to not do! We held our simulations on Saturdays so as many people as possible could attend, not just the elite trained. One example that has always set well with me was we were doing a scenario of an anhydrous ammonia leak at the local farmers' supply operation. The set-up crew set off a huge smoke bomb to simulate the cloud. I was near the command post as an EMT and the local scouts were a few feet away waiting for an assignment. The one kid (farm boy) commented to his buddies to stay away from any smoke or if they smell it to run as fast as you can away from it. It wasn't more than a minute later the local fire department water truck drove into the cloud without their breathing equipment on and the judge announced they were all casualties to park the truck and sit tight. It was kinda too bad the scout wasn't driving. What did the scouts do that day for the drill? They supplied water, sandwiches and ran communications for those treating casualties that didn't have radios. They also helped out EMT teams resupply supplies as needed. Maybe they aren't a whole lot of useful in the ER triage lot, but they do free up a lot of expert personnel from having to hand out water bottles and sandwiches. We always found the kids who knew what they were doing and had participated in our drills to be a real asset to the job at hand. I remember as a kid my mother was Civil Defense trained in triage and her training wasn't anything a 15+ year old couldn't do just as well. At 15 years of age, I flew sorties for downed aircraft as an observer/spotter and worked the radio so the pilot could concentrate on looking out his side of the plane and flying it on grid. Just remember they aren't just a bunch of kids hanging around underfoot.
  35. 1 point
    CERT (community emergency response team) should hold drills once a month. I'd contact them to see if the scouts could come participate. BTW, the minimum age for cert training is 14, so some boys can take the training to be on the team. (A lot of the training would cover the merit badge.)
  36. 0 points
    It's coming. It was announced in that group by someone on the National Committee the same time as virtual ILST/ILSC that virtual IOLS is coming soon/within a week. I know several councils that did improper/unauthorized virtual IOLS and/or allowed for "testing out" of IOLS due to COVID in the spring. That pissed off the folks a Scouting U. (those left after the purge/layoffs) so this is now coming to allow or authorized virtual IOLS.
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