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    I don't think you can copyright a color. Otherwise, all the Walmart cargo pants would be an infringement. The BSA buttons with the BSA Eagle Fleur de Lis are a copyright issue, but the GSUSA gets past that with their GS Trefoil... Look at the Rose Bowl Parade videos , with the Gold Award Scouts marching with the Eagle Scouts. Similar uniforms? Stretch your imagination, maybe. But what a concept ! GSs working with BSs ! I think BSA has bigger problems than worrying about a purple golf shirt under a tan cargo vest over dark green cargo pants/skirt......
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    Tolerance, compromise...thinking before you speak and slower to take offense might help. To some, Democratic Senate candidate Mark Kelly, a retired NASA astronaut, made an offensive remark during a 2018 appearance before the Northern New Jersey Council, BSA. During a question-and-answer portion, Kelly was asked if he thought there would be a time in which Mars was colonized. Kelly said his brother Scott, also an astronaut, went aboard the space station for a year and that his DNA was altered from either radiation or zero-gravity. “I think the word hasn’t gotten out how bad it is for him,” Kelly said. “You know, it’s gotten so bad, that we recently had to release him back into the wild,” he continued to a laughing crowd. “He’s like halfway between an orangutan and a Howler Monkey. We’ve even changed his name to Rodrigo. He lives in the woods. He lives in Eagle Rock Reservation,” a reference to a New Jersey forest reserve and recreational park. ... “Shameful video of Mark Kelly making a racist joke to an all-white crowd,” responded Moses Sanchez, a Republican businessman and Navy veteran who unsuccessfully ran for Phoenix mayor in 2018. It is unclear if the crowd was all white. “He must think people named Rodrigo look like monkeys. Time to move past this type of racism & time for the media to scrutinize Mark Kelly more thoroughly like they would a Republican," Sanchez wrote. Kelly apologized for his remarks Thursday after The Arizona Republic asked about them. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/09/10/democratic-senate-candidate-mark-kelly-apologizes-offensive-joke/3457056001/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/blog/meet-press-blog-latest-news-analysis-data-driving-political-discussion-n988541/ncrd1239799#blogHeader Above link includes speech video, at 10:00 Mr. Kelly answers Mars question
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    I've been thinking about this. Starting at the cub level, things like knife skills, fire skills, camping skills, citizenship skills, etc., are taught. A cyber chip has been added. I don't really see anywhere though that we specifically teach the basic tools of leadership which is kind of core to the program. The program creates leadership opportunities and situations but there's nothing about what is a team, what is leadership, what do you do when not everyone agrees, how do you run a meeting, what is compromise, etc. Older kids that seek out the training can get some of this through ISLT and NYLT but that's not every scout and pretty far up the line. And it doesn't help new scouts who are facing their first real experience trying to work as a team in a patrol. It seems like some of these skills could be taught at the Webelos level, with some stepped components through Tenderfoot, in order to help new scouts better navigate the patrol process and learn from it rather than quit. We might be getting off topic with this discussion but in a way it relates back to the OP topic of civil protest because these are some obvious issues we are having with our youth. Polarization. An inability to tolerate different views. Youth who have no idea how to compromise because it hasn't been part of their upbringing. This is noted in the educational system and to a lesser degree in other youth organizations like sports where some teams have dispensed with team captains or rotate the position for each game. Peer to peer leadership has become really problematic. Schools and sports are shying away from it but if it is that central to the patrol method, why don't we teach it.
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    We have an entire forum devoted to the patrol method. Is there a polite way for me to suggest that this conversation be moved over to that forum?
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    I remember being a parent newly introduced into scouting and slowly learning the turf issues and grudges between the scouting groups. The more I learned, the more I was astounded. As a parent, it shouldn't involve me or my kids. But the division almost pulls the parents in. It's not good for anyone. Each has significant problems. Each has huge traditions and very meaningful purposes. The divisive issue is each has resources and staff. Sadly, I fear the division reduces the effectiveness for scouting for all scouts. As a parent, I just don't understand why the organizations can't work together. The real problem is they should be one organization.
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    @TAHAWK, and everyone else. If anyone quotes articles then they need to do it right. We need to be able to see the reference (a link to the original article is fine - just copy and paste the url) and we need to easily distinguish what is in the article and with what the poster is adding. (This can be done by highlighting the text and hitting the quote button, or using quote marks for small sections). There are a couple of reasons for this: First, it's bad form to plagiarize other people's work. Next, the moderators are obligated to understand what is being posted and it would be much easier if references were done correctly. Similarly, it really helps everyone in understanding what the poster is trying to say. You may think you're clearly delineating quoted text from your own but it's not always clear to us.
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    All kids (ALL kids) want to belong to a gang. A club. Whether that gang creates something or destroys something is the question. That gang of kids in the vacant lot (not too many of them left) that shagged a bat and chose up teams is one such. The gang that self forms and because they all came from the same country is another (Sharks? Jets? ). The older kids are looked up to by the younger. The younger learn how the game is played by watching the older kids. MS13? Scouts? What really is the difference between the two? Who got to the kid first? The Patrol Method works, and it HAS to work without the interference of adults. That is the problem with the New Scout Patrol. Where is the continuity? I was in THE Eagle Patrol for six years ! Loyalty was endemic . We passed on responsibility because we saw it modeled by the older Scouts AND the adults. The chance to EARN rank was just that, a chance, up to us. The hikes, campouts, summer camps were opportunities to learn, practice skills, and earn the ranks. The adults MADE the opportunities, they did not require we use them. We had a choice thereby. The previous discussion seems to be about the idea that often, today's Scout doesn't have the chance to fail, the choice is already made for him/her. You HAVE to succeed, it is required. The skills are taught, the MBs are schooled, the campouts aren't so much about getting out and seeing if you read that part of the Handbook for Boys (!) about keeping warm in cold weather (mom wil make sure I have my mittens, right?) as they are about earning (earning?) First Class by year one..... What was it the 2nd grader said? "It's not FAIR ! !" How'd he know that?
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    I don't think it says that at all. Says nothing about" they are there to help if needed". In fact it says to call the mB first. You may be misinterpreting the written process to coincide with your current thinking.
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    From the Troop 11 History, Houston, Texas (1990), sponsored by First Presbyterian Church. "OSCAR HIBLER BECOMES SCOUTMASTER The troop committee recruited church member Oscar Hibler to become scoutmaster in January 1949. Mr. Hibler had been ASM of Troop 16 at Sutton School. Troop 11 had been without a scoutmaster for three months. When Mr. Hibler took over, Troop 11 had fifteen active scouts and two active visitors. As Mr. Hibler recalls, the boys refused to wear uniforms and only wanted to play. His strong emphasis on scouting principles caused many to leave. Recruitment became a priority. Recruiting from within the church, Mr. Hibler increased enrollment to 32 members (4 patrols). Mr. Hibler is still grateful to the national scout office for lowering the enrollment age to 11. This really helped his recruitment efforts! At first, the boys thought cooking to be too much work and brought junk food on camp-outs. Mr. Hibler soon decided that each scout could bring along only six soft drinks per camp-out. To test this new rule, young Robert Blaine brought along six quart bottles, not exactly what Mr. Hibler had intended." The age limit changed in 1949.
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    For High Adventure we do one each year. Odd years Seabase and even years Philmont. Well, unless there are fires or pandemics.😁 We set a timeframe before our final commitment to the HA base is due. You pay a deposit, if you pull out, you lose your deposit. As this progresses if a Scout drops out, they do not get refunds unless we can fill the slot or the base refunds. Each Scout is responsible for their fees. We have good data so really no surprises and all know the commitments and costs before signing up.
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    For Philmont we roll everything except souvenirs into one price and split it to 3 or 4 payments. We start collecting money as soon as we get confirmation of a spot - before we need to send any to Philmont. We have a parent-required info meeting up front where we go over the costs, schedules and participation requirements and have them sign a commitment form. We tell them that Philmont doesn't give refunds so we can't give refunds. In reality we would consider giving a refund of what we have collected but not yet spent, if losing the that person would not drop us below the Philmont minimum (or if we could find a replacement). The catch-22 is this - if there is some kind of emergency that they cannot go, you want to be supportive as best you can. You don't want to lose a family because they lost $1000 on top of grandma dying. The other scenario is a Scout who just changes his mind - you might not care about being supportive but you surely don't want a Scout on the trek who does not want to be there. Philmont rangers tell stories of Scouts who break bear-protocol rules on purpose so they will get sent home. Definitely don't want them along. One other option - for a big expense like Philmont we usually talk to the parents about trip cancellation insurance. There are lots of places online to purchase it and it is usually pretty inexpensive compared to the cost of the trip. The ones that Ive purchased in the past are very broad coverage - meaning they cover most any reason for cancelling.
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    Let me be blunt Before I invest, I’d want to see a business plan id want to see architecture and a technical approach I’d want to see a Flexibility plan ... how can you adapt your software on the fly if your prime supported business (BSA) changes its approach to advancement in its programs. I’d want to see scalability to other youth serving programs. You’re entering a market that already has a population. This isn’t 2000, when Troopmaster was new. Good luck and good hunting.
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    Well I'll be. There really is such a place as Transylvania University. I thought you were joking at first. I'll bet they have a lot of night classes.
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    I think you've identified an effect but might be missing the cause. I was never "taught" those things either. Growing up my mother, and every mother in town, kicked their progeny out of the house by 9am all summer weather permitting. We met up at the ball park, played baseball, or whatever we decided to do. There wasn't an adult in sight, no structured rules, so we figured it out on our own. Older kids looked out for the younger because their dad said look out for your kid brother. I'd argue we've taught kids to be dependent on adults and we tend to ostracize the natural leaders instead of letting the kids figure it out. We adults have come to prefer compliant kids rather than the energetic and we've taught them to be meek.
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    First, we had a fantastic time. Really, it couldn't have been better. Second, I'll post the route we did later. I intentionally let the scouts and interpreter deal with that. We left Springfield, VA, flew from Reagan National Airport direct to MSP. We rented a 15 passenger van for our crew of 8 and gear and drove 4 hours to Virginia, MN. Not sure why we did that to just end up in Virginia again. Virginia is the closest town with national hotel chains. We stayed at the AmericInn with a great view of the railroad tracks. Well, my room did. Get the front of the hotel to be away from that noise. The hotel was fine for our needs. Next morning we drove to NT. We got lunch at a gourmet grilled cheese place in Ely called Gator's Grilled Cheese Emporium. I got a grilled cheese sandwich and the lobster mac and cheese. Great stuff! Staff checked out temps when we arrived. MN made masks mandatory and we wore them any time we were not at our cabin. Unfortunately, not all scouts and scouters complied. It should have been clear you wear a mask or you leave. Our crew was assigned our own shower/bathroom at the bathhouse (2 on our return). Our interpreter is a Navy Academy midshipman and was fantastic. It helped that our crew was really good, too. He showed them what to do the first day and really we just fished or relaxed while the scouts made/cleaned dinner. Scouts had plenty of time to do their own swimming and having fun. Some random thoughts/advice. 1. White gas stoves are ancient technology compared to canister stoves. I took a tiny backpacking canister stove for our coffee (they have a percolator in the equipment if you don't). 2. I took a Warbonnet Eldorado hammock and Warbonnet tarp. It was my first time camping with a hammock. It was OK. I was glad to have my own place to sleep. I hate sharing a tent. The interpreter had a hammock, too, but no underquilt. He was cold at night. If your whole crew brings hammocks you'd struggle to find workable trees for all at most of the campsites we used. 3. The walk from the parking lot to your cabin is rather long. Not sure why they set things up like that. 4. White gas stoves are like carburetors and canister stoves are electronic fuel injection. No tune ups and quick to start. 5. While they provide 1 drink mix packet per day, take some extra. The Polar Pure iodine water treatment tastes bad. 6. Better yet, take a Katadyn BeFree or Sawyer Squeeze filter and skip the Polar Pure. Don't take those big, bulky, heavy pump filters. 7. You can't spill canister fuel. 8. I went in wanting to minimize portages thinking those would be killer. Well, they are. What's worse is no portages. The reason is when you portage you rest the rowing muscles and instead kill your shoulders and legs on the portages. On the big lakes with a long time before a portage, your rowing muscles turn to rubber. So you need the portages. 9. The portage where we stood in a waterfall was awesome! 10. The food is better than Philmont, although the desserts often were pudding, even when not intentionally pudding. The food is crazy heavy, too. 11. I loved Philmont, but this was better. Philmont felt like there was too little down time. At NT, we arrived at the campsite between 2-4 and just had to set up and eat. We all loved this. We swam, fished, chilled. It was really nice. Plan your route so you arrive at a campsite around this time. You'll enjoy your time more. 12. People who prefer canister stoves are scientifically proven to be better looking than those who prefer white gas. I saw it on the internet somewhere. 13. A beaver dam blocked our way and made for a less than joyful portage. 14. Pack light. 15. We had rain the first hour on water and never again. I never used my rain jacket. Leave the rain pants at home. 16. White gas stoves are like a Soviet Lada and canister stoves are like a Mercedes-AMG GT. 17. First 2 nights, bugs were not really an issue. Last 2 nights, they feasted for about 1.5 hours. No real issues during the day. 18. One of our 2 NT white gas stoves stopped working and couldn't be repaired. There's nothing to maintain on a canister stove. We used remote canister stoves at Philmont. 19. Take your own PFD with pockets if you want a GoPro or fishing gear easily accessible. Getting into the grey whale while on the water is annoying. 20. Altama OTB Maritime Assault boots work very well. 21. Get the Kevlar boats. Portaging with something heavier would not be joyful. 22. Get a backless seat pad that straps on to the canoe seat. 23. Take Tears of the Sun hot sauce. It's Trans-Siberian Orchestra guitarist Chris Caffery's recipe. 24. Several of us think we had weird dreams because of the Polar Pure iodine. This might be true. 25. We were all very fortunate to be able to go.
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    We did a DIY 2020 trek in the Boundary Waters this year. Being from Chicago area many of us had been before so easy to guide the scouts on building a plan, menu and route. Less bugs than usual this year. 90% less on Knife lake and very enjoyable. Cost ws $300 per scout including gas, food and Kevlar canoe I am not sure what we missed by not having an interpreter with us 4 of us hammocked but might have been able to do 1 more - no way we could have done more than 5 scouts baked a cake, corn bread and brownies using white gas stove - they didnt share but heard it was good Northern Tier store was only open to crews - no outsiders met quite a few troops on portages - all great people some crews were faster than others at portages - thanks to those that let us jump ahead
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