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  1. 3 points
    Wow! Great thread. Great conversations... about a lousy topic. About 8 years ago I concluded that BSA wanted to make money selling camps. In those 8 years, our Council merged, and 5 properties were liquidated. I've made up a list of sneaky ways Councils sell properties, one of them is closing a camp for a year, or not listing it for a season, and then complaining that it lost money that year. I've met a regional stooge before. They make politicians look humane. This one didn't give a rat's arse about the kids or us volunteers. To be in that high of a tier of the BSA you need to be a full-blown fanatic and card carrying party member. Every Council is different, with their motives and issues. Our Council is a cult, but the one a few miles away is super nice to their families, but fell on hard times. I've found that real numbers, data, excel spreadsheets is the best way to look at Scouting. Numbers typically don't lie and will tell you whats what. But in failing areas, stooges in charge don't want the numbers shown because it makes them look bad. I'll echo what someone said earlier, and encourage readers to stay focused on keeping the youth engaged. Ignore the price-hike threats and let them come to you with their sob stories about losing money and the threat of selling camps. When they do come to your unit with a huge price hike, play dumb and let them explain it to you. Then I would ask the unit (parents) how they feel about it, and if they want to continue or not.
  2. 2 points
    Yes, that word is clear. I don't think anyone is arguing about whether or not they want 2 registered leaders at any Scouting activity. Unfortunately, that one point of clarity doesn't answer the whole question. We still need to know what a "Scouting activity" is. Is "Summer Camp" the activity? Is gathering wood in the forest an activity? What about fetching water? What about hiking from the base camp to the mess hall? If hiking from the base camp to the mess hall is an activity, what about hiking to the bathhouse? If hiking to the bathhouse isn't an activity, how about taking a short walk to clear your head? How far can you travel before that walk turns into a hike? Then once we know what constitutes a "Scouting activity" is, we still need to know what they mean by "at". When my son is in class, he's "at school". When he's eating lunch in the cafeteria, he's "at school". When he's at football practice in the stadium, he's still "at school". So if a troop meeting is going on upstairs and one of the only two adults is downstairs is that adult still "at" the meeting? What about when the meeting breaks into patrols an one group goes outside, one goes to the basement and one stays in the main room; do we still need two adults or 6? I mean, there are actually people out there who think "2 Deep Leadership" means "No scout should ever be out of the sight of two adults unless they are in the bathroom or their tent".
  3. 1 point
    @TAHAWK, it's not me, it's the kids' earworms. This lot is stuck in the 7th and 8th decade of the last century. Stairway wasn't on my radar until I "appeared" in the midst of their hammock nest (all week, they kept wondering how I could do that) to enforce lights out, and that's the disk they were spinning.
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  5. 1 point
    DAMN that's harsh! Hearing that said by another person that is. But I know it to be true.
  6. 1 point
    The executives have know for some time now that BSA is doomed. Their goal is to secure (for themselves) as much as they can before the final breakup.
  7. 1 point
    Don't you know any group popular in the last thirty years? stomp stomp clap .
  8. 1 point
    A Laser Flair weighs a few ounces and operates for hours.
  9. 1 point
    We did it, and the Scouts loved it! Older Scouts got to load and fire a flare gun, and the youngers got to light marine flares (30 Scouts in total). Most of these we acquired from out of date items that boaters in our unit had. Many had not checked their boat's gear for some time, and were happy to hand over the expired items for training. (Coast Guard could issue a citation for expired gear, and/or make you return to port to replace...) We put out a Notice to Airmen through the FAA, and called our county emergency dispatch, our neighboring county emergency dispatch, and the state forest fire service. All gave us a thumbs up and were glad we were giving training to young folks.
  10. 1 point
    I've been complaining (for some time now) about the frequent use of profanity by our boy scouts. I won't tolerate it in my classroom or my troop. I agree with what you are saying. Some of these older kids have no filter. We haven't used any scout camps for years. We mostly use church owned campgrounds. Sorry about the misunderstanding. My first impression (from your post) was that the parents' concern was a YP thing.
  11. 1 point
    Cub Scouts: Webelos/AOL Scouting Adventure Requirement 1a-e 1. Prepare yourself to join a troop by completing at least a-c below: Repeat from memory the Scout Oath, Scout Law, Scout motto, and Scout slogan. In your own words, explain their meanings to your den leader, parent, or guardian. Explain what Scout spirit is. Describe for your den leader, parent, or guardian some ways you have shown Scout spirit by conducting yourself according to the Scout Oath, Scout Law, Scout motto, and Scout slogan. Give the Scout sign, salute, and handshake. Explain when to use each. Describe the First Class Scout badge, and tell what each part stands for. Explain the significance of the First Class Scout badge. Repeat from memory the Pledge of Allegiance. In your own words, explain its meaning Scouts, BSA Scout Rank Requirement 1 a. Repeat from memory the Scout Oath, Scout Law, Scout motto, and Scout slogan. In your own words, explain their meaning b. Explain what Scout spirit is. Describe some ways you have shown Scout spirit by practicing the Scout Oath, Scout Law, Scout motto, and Scout slogan. c. Demonstrate the Scout sign, salute, and handshake. Explain when they should be used. d. Describe the First Class Scout badge and tell what each part stands for. Explain the significance of the First Class Scout badge. e. Repeat from memory the Outdoor Code. In your own words, explain what the Outdoor Code means to you. f. Repeat from memory the Pledge of Allegiance. In your own words, explain its meaning. The Scout Oath and/or Law are a part of every rank requirement. The Oath is mentioned 16 times between Scout and Eagle rank. The Law 19 times. There are three separate references to the U.S. flag or pledging allegiance to it. Scout Rank 1f. Repeat from memory the Pledge of Allegiance. In your own words, explain its meaning Second Class 8a. Participate in a flag ceremony for your school, religious institution, chartered organization, community, or Scouting activity. 8b. Explain what respect is due the flag of the United States. What, precisely, more do you want?
  12. 1 point
    It's the old adage...Do we raise money to enable a community to have Scouts OR Do we have Scouts to enable a group to be able to raise money. Agree that way too many volunteers feel the "Council" is the end all be all, the oracle or knowledge, the giver of permissions, the experts on Scouting. Actually the Council is supposed to support the unit and LOCAL Scouting. Sadly it does not work that way and many of us wonder what in fact the cast of many at the Council office actually do all day. How in fact do they (The Council and the minions there) bring value to the BSA program in our community day in and day out?
  13. 1 point
    I think that is one reason why the council is failing. We have folks going to out of council shops because we get better service or have more customer friendly hours. Plus they are tired of orders "not arriving at the office" or being lost. Best example of that is the Eagle application that was mailed and "never received." I know some folks have stopped giving FOS not only because of the increases in National fees, but also they are not seeing any benefits. They never see their DE, we are unable to get in the schools, which the DE should be working on and hasn't, When volunteers try to do their own recruiting, they are told to stop. In fact multiple events have been interfered with when the pros intervene (basically saying "No you cannnot do this" and "yes this will happen despite everyone's objections", etc as opposed to actually being there. And the interference is causing longtime volunteers to quit and/or focus solely on their units. Which has caused a lot of problems i.e. training, putting on events, etc. I think that is why only 35% of the units go to the council camp. The staff's attitude is not customer friendly, like campers are an inconvenience. Equipment and supplies are wholly inadequate. I have seen rescue equipment fall apart while used for training lifeguards and Lifesaving MB, not enough boats for everyone to do boating activities during their time, and not enough supplies that the Scouts paid for to the point that Scouts are "sharing" kits needed for various MBs. As for program, well it's a MB giveaway. I had Scouts earn MBs that could not do the skills, and 1 Scout earn a MB that he never went to class because he switched on Sunday to another. Folks have complained for years about the problems, and nothing is done to make the situation better. Sadly I wish my council realized I and my Scouts were their customer.
  14. 1 point
    Mattr should remove info deemed necessary for privacy. I posted the entirety of the email to show it's authentic from the BSA and to make the point that the lack of a nonretaliation policy in YPP is deliberate and not a simple omission. My point in adding nonretaliation language to YPP is not to change how the National or local Councils run themselves, but to buttress the seriousness of YPP in scouting. First, nonretaliation is community standard. Everywhere I looked among youth service organizations, explicit requirement for reporting always go with confidentiality and non retaliation guarantee. Second, if nonretaliation is community standard and even the BSA has it with employees, why not communicate it to the most vulnerable population which is also the sole reason for BSA's existence, the children? Wouldn't a few words about prohibition of retaliation in YPP training make the whole policy more credible and authentic and probably translate to better outcome and implementation? Instead of thinking nonretaliation will just add more fuel to the fire fomented by petty and vindictive SMs, we should ask how this idea support the scout laws of honesty and trustworthiness to the scouts. It's not redundant to the scout laws but a demonstration of commitment by adults to the laws. After all, retaliation in abuse prevention and reporting is just as destructive and potentially costly as acts of abuse themselves.
  15. 1 point
    Looks like the Brady Bunch...Wood Badge Edition 😀
  16. 1 point
    Good Lord this is the most confused element. They are vastly different and wholly unrelated, other than both should be observed. One leader of another unit at camp was concerned about how they could have Scouts at various troop activities as it would spread leaders to thin. We talked with them, tried to guide them on 2 deep at the camp, but no one on one. He could not grasp that if one leader went wandering to the camp store with 3 Scouts, that was not in fact one on one. We took his thinking down the rabbit hole and tried to show that using that thinking for a troop of 20 Scouts you would need a vast amount of leaders. I suggested personal autonomous drones for each Scout and a vast network of trail cameras to insure safety, but do not feel that my sarcasm was well received.
  17. 1 point
    They're 13 and 14yo's and capable and competent to do this hike. If we quit Scouting and went to that state park with those same buddies, I would not hesitate to send them on that hike while me and the other dads stayed in camp. When I was that age we got on our bikes and were gone for the afternoon. uhg sorry this makes me frustrated.
  18. 1 point
    There have been many stories of "retaliation" without recourse on these forums over the years. Scouters and Scouts have had their memberships revoked for cause, and some for causes known only to the Scout Executives who seem to have the final say in such matters.
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