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  1. 5 points
    The real key is to accept the fact that First Class First Year is a lie. Assure a scout that if he doesn't want to complete that requirement now, you'll give him an opportunity next year, and the year after that, until he's ready to give it a try. Obviously that means he'll miss out on some activities and rank advancement will be delayed, but that's okay. He can focus on other activities including loading up on MBs that interest him and maybe figuring out something fun for his patrol or the whole troop to do.
  2. 2 points
    OK. Now I get it. Throw him in the strait. At first, I thought it was a misspelling.
  3. 2 points
    William Boyce would be another. Back to the OP, whatever new literature (program or merit badges) comes, there should be an accurate historical account of the BSA in this regards. Discuss Negro scout troops, Interracial Service, Japanese-American scouts during WW2, how we can be a character building organization with flawed characters, ...There is bad but IMHO more good in our history, and the lessons to be learned support our mission - prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law. A young boy when the attacks on Pearl Harbor occurred, Shishima has vivid memories of the dehumanizing treatment (internment camp) he endured. One of the things that helped him maintain his youth and humanity was his participation in the Boy Scouts at Heart Mountain Relocation Center in Wyoming, which had enough troops to have its own Boy Scout council. "Scouting," Shishima says in a short video filmed at JANM, "that was my life, actually." After World War II, he went on to serve in the military and later returned to become a scout leader. Today, Shishima travels across the United States sharing his story of survival and speaking out in favor of civil rights and against social injustice. https://americanhistory.si.edu/blog/boy-scouts-and-barracks-learning-about-japanese-american-incarceration-ahead-national-youth My $0.02,
  4. 2 points
    I talked to my wife who is a swim coach about this and does our swim tests. She says that most backyard pools aren't big enough to realistically conduct swim tests because on the amount of time spent in the turns. She suggest finding and open neighborhood pool or YMCA pool to conduct the tests in. You still need to abide by the Covid restrictions for your state so you might need to schedule times to keep it the scouts distanced.
  5. 1 point
    I'd like to start by saying that I was a member of troop 45 from 1980 till 1987. I attended CBG from 1981 to 1983 and was a staff member for the summer in 1984. CBG opened in 1959 and closed after the season in 1985. I have many great memories from attending this camp. This summer I was vacationing in Wisconsin with my parents and was planning on staying in Wausau. Before I left home I went through some of my old scouting items. I found a map of CBG and the directions to the camp folded up in my field book. After I checked into the hotel I grabbed the map and a camera and headed off to find out what had happened to the camp. It had been 20 years since I had been there and 19 years since the camp had closed. I was surprised to find the directions were still accurate with all the original landmarks still present that were on the map. One other thing I would like to mention before I continue. I drove to the camp with my father. He camped there in 1959 with his troop and in 1983 with me as an Asst. Scoutmaster. We were both anxious to find out what had become of the camp. We pulled up to the main entrance also known as the picnic area. The stone structures that held the camp signs on each side of the entrance are still there. The one on the right side has a couple of stones that have fallen out and are lying on the ground. The original CBG signs are gone. There is a sign hanging on the right side. It shows a picture of the lake. The signs used to hang from a small tree trunk that was anchored to the top of the stone structures. The left side trunk is rotted and completely gone. The right side trunk is soft and rotted but sill there. This is where the current sign hangs. Before we got out of the truck we met someone coming from south beach. After speaking with him we learned that some church organization owns the area where the lodge and other building are located. He said he was there with 5 somewhat troubled teens and gave us permission to look around. After taking some pictures of the entrance we noticed someone across the road were staff camp used to be. We walked over to talk. When you first walked into staff camp there was a staff lounge with showers on the right side. That building is now a small house. The owner said recently they took part of the floor up for repairs and couldn't figure out why there were so many drains. I remember there being a long row of sinks which probably had their own drains plus the outside shower had several. The tents in staff camp were arranged in a semi circle with each one having a 4x4 post sticking out of the ground with a GFI outlet for electricity. Half of them are still there. The owner also said he took the siding off a small building not far from the house to build a shed. This building turned out to be the rifle range building. After walking through staff camp we went to south beach. The beach was to the left of the main entrance and had a raft anchored out a ways you could swim to. While a staff member we would swim there once in a while. This was also open to the local kids to swim. It didn't look like anything I remembered. It was small and over grown. You would never know that it once was a place to swim. After some more pictures we headed up to the lodge. The parking lot is now full of weeds and grass. All of the buildings look pretty much the same on the exterior with the exception of a couple of chimney flews sticking out of the roof of the lodge. All 5 buildings are still there. Lodge, health lodge, quartermaster and 2 directors buildings. I did manage to get a peek inside one of the windows of the lodge. As far as a could see the main structure looks the same with all the natural log beams in the ceiling. There are some newer rooms built in the center of the lodge though. The small white painted weather station that used to sit in front of the lodge is gone. There is now a large square screened gazebo in its place. The rope is gone that used to go through all the rough sawn wooden columns that lined the inside corner of the lodge. The gate is also gone that you had to drive through to get to the campsites. We started to drive down the road toward camp site number 1. We did not even make it to the fire bowl. A large cable was strung across the road and locked. We got out and walked to the fire bowl. Standing at the fire bowl looking toward the lake there is a huge house up on the hill to the right side. Looking around the fire bowl there is a swing, a pier going out into the lake and a large fire pit exactly were we used to have ours. One other thing that caught my eye was were we used to sit on the side of the hill facing the fire. There use to be small diameter tree trunks cut into the ground that stair stepped up the side of the hill. We sat on these during the fire bowls. After looking closely at the side of the hill we determined that about half of them are still there. After some more pictures my dad went back to the lodge. I took off to find campsite number 1. This is where I camped in 1981 and 1982. Further down the road it splits off to the right and left. This is where the shower house use to be. It's completely gone. There is now a small pole building there. I went right toward campsite number 1 and number 2. A little further down the road the first thing that came into site was an outhouse. As I walked around the right side of it, still visible was the large white #1 painted on it. The outhouse is surprisingly in good condition just dirty. In front of it there is a small wooden frame looking structure that had started to rot and fell over. After looking at it for a minute I remembered that we use to keep a plastic garbage can sitting on it that had a spigot mounted on the side. You kept water in it. This is where you washed your hands. The rest of the campsite was still cleared like it is mowed once in a while. The well pump is still there but missing the handle. As I headed back I could also see the outhouse for number 2 campsite on the right. I went back to the fork in the road and headed left toward instructional beach. Sitting right in the entrance to the beach is another huge house. The only thing I recognized is the small white building on the right side of the beach. It's not in the best of condition. We use to keep life saving equipment and a phone inside it that rang inside the lodge. A little further down and across the road I found site number 14. Those that camped at CBG would remember the large wooden pallets that the tents sat on. Looking around I found 4 to 5 of these pallets still there. They were full of moss. Some are partially rotted. Some are covered in weeds. The site is really over groan and full of small trees. I took some more pictures and figured I had kept my dad waiting long enough plus being on private property had me slightly worried. As I walked back I past site number 3. I looked inside the outhouse out of curiosity. I saw something that made me laugh to myself and smile. Lying in the yearnal was a rusted can of mosquito repellant. Some boy probably in the last troop to camp there in 1985 dropped it there. Just thought it was funny. By this time the sun was starting to set and I knew I had to get back but there was one more thing I really wanted to do. I walked back to the fire bowl, went down by the lake and behind the fire pit. It took only seconds to find. The Eagle Trail. This was a hiking trail that followed the lake from the fire bowl to point beach. I was so surprised that it was still visible. I was able to follow it with ease even thought here were some small tree limbs laying across it and also some small evergreens starting to grow on it. When I got to point beach you would never know that it was ever a beach. There was grass knee deep everywhere. Point beach was used for scheduled troop swims. I took more pictures and headed up toward the lodge. The railroad ties used for steps are still there and I found a picnic table at the top of the steps in a small clearing. It was full moss and the wood felt really soft. After thinking about it I remembered that is were the nature class was held. I finally made it back to the lodge. Before we left we walked over to the commissioners cabin which was across the road from the lodge. This building is in sad shape. The doors were open. It was full of junk. Looks like it could fall over any time. We went back to the main entrance took pictures of each other standing by the sign and left. As we turned right after passing the field sports entrance I looked through the woods and caught a glimpse of the rifle range building. The roof was completely gone and so was the siding of the building on the right side. It looked like a skeleton of a building with just 4x4's and 2x6's standing there. Even though it was kind of sad walking through the camp it brought back a lot of great memories. The more I think about what it was like to camp there the more I remember. I'm going to continue this post with different memories as a camper and as a staff member. Anyone else that would like to add there own please reply. Thanks
  6. 1 point
    You and the skipper must confront the behavior directly. List bad behaviors. Explain that they have to stop. Then ask if there's another problem that you don't see that's motivating her to violate protocol. Be prepared for it to not go well. But for the sake of those scouts, you need to give it a shot.
  7. 1 point
    The District Advancement chair should sign both places I believe. The fundraising addendum is usually not a big deal, they are looking for reasonable and scout-like fundraising.
  8. 1 point
    There is not an easy way to deal with this other than strait on. I like Double Eagle's suggestions, but some parents just can't help themselves. I had one such parent that was so bad that he took his sons patrol to McDonalds when they were complaining about food. When we talked to him, he shutdown and eventually took his kids and left. Another was continually hours late from campouts, There are things to worry about because "WHERE ARE THEY?". He also had a problem of stopping off for a meal. He was asked to step back and we never saw his again either. He didn't take his son out of the program however. I'm not saying your adult will be that extreme, but as a SM, you will have to learn to deal with difficult situations and adults. You have to protect your program and scouts. Some adults will not choose what is best for their scout or the program. We have a saying here; start with cup of coffee and see where that goes. But, stand firm because this won't be your first situation. Parent respect an authority that is fair and consistent so they know the kind of person that they are leaving their kids with for weekend or week. So, be brave, fair and consistent. Barry
  9. 1 point
    My understanding from the rules are that fundraising and starting work on the project prior to the district signing off will invalidate the project. If it is just putting a hold on a facility, I think that would be ok but no actual fundraising or solicitation until the paperwork is signed. It shouldn't take too much work to get the paperwork signed. My son was able to get that done over the course of a week of phone calls, emails, and video conferences. Good luck on your son's project as well.
  10. 1 point
    With the Scouts home since mid-March there has been an increase in the number of projects both within our Troop and District. They have had a lot of free time! Unfortunately none of the projects are for the Charter Org.
  11. 1 point
    The Scouts are raising anywhere from $500 to $1,000 depending upon the project. My true concern is being fair. We have more than one Eagle Coach in the Troop and I want them to be able to say to our Scouts that they can ONLY reserve dates on the calendar after XXX is done.
  12. 1 point
    I've had several scouts, including my own son, who were much more afraid of open water than a swimming pool. It's tough when you can't see beyond the surface. Doing a test under pressure can have the same result, I'm sure. I try to tell them this isn't like a school test. You can keep trying until you succeed. There's no penalty for not succeeding the first time. We just want you to be capable in the water so you're safe.
  13. 1 point
    That is great to read! I am glad the Scouts and Scouters had an excellent time.
  14. 1 point
    On the speaking of Japanese BSA scouts. On ebay i bought a patrol leaders handbook from 1929. I found a name in the book and did some research. I reached out to the family and found out that it was his and they were very happy that I have it and will keep it safe. It was owned by Jiro Aratani. A little google sleuthing got me to this info about Mr. Aratani. Mr. Aratani was interned in a Japanese relocation camp in WW2.
  15. 1 point
    Talk to various local pool officials. There has to be a way to make it work. Kids who can't swim pose tremendous risk of death. I met my requirements in a pool, and it opened acres of lakes to me, including a Great one that my family swims and boats in regularly. Most state parks are open, and many have ideal lanes for swimming. But face facts, instruction is an intimate affair. Your scout may have to wait out the year.
  16. 1 point
    Some kids don't like to swim in anything but a filtered, chlorinated, tiled, heated swimming pool. They don't like the feel of nature. They can't stand having the weeds touching their feet. I tend to think that this is what scouting is all about. Getting outdoors. Learning to not be so squeamish about the natural world. Yes. I know. The rules allow the scout to be tested in a swimming pool, and I am not suggesting that we impose our own requirements on the scout. I just have the feeling that this scout, and many others just like him, are really missing out on the scouting experience.
  17. 1 point
    This is a very valid point. Here in VA pools CAN open with those restrictions. Our neighborhood pool did, but many others are closed all summer, including all county pools.
  18. 1 point
    If you can meet the rules, I can't see why you can't use your pool. Keep in mind, unless you have a really big pool, you'll need them to do more laps to meet the distance requirement. https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/gss02/
  19. 1 point
    If people looked at all culture of all kinds throughout history and banned it on the issue of the day, we would have nothing left. Humans are sight oriented and use that and every sense to distinguish friend from foe, who one likes and doesn’t like, who deserves derision for conduct, Humor, satire, music and everything else. There is no guarantee against hurt feelings. There is no guarantee or right to be liked, desired, appreciated, respected, or even tolerated by others in a human level. Human being seem to increasingly forget its fun to laugh at differences, draw fascination and intrigue from differences, and not be forced to have ideas and public expressions purged because one group doesn’t like having their feelings hurt. There are changing levels of acceptance over time but the idea that past cultures and ideas should somehow be purged and wiped out because it no longer fits does a terrible disservice to those who fought to live, love, laugh and experience life on their own terms over time. It’s an attempt to erase history. That is precisely what it is. Take it out of the public view, libraries, archives, etc., make it taboo, and hope it vanishes. The Nazis, Communists, Red Revolution and religious movements have done a marvelous job of this. It’s no wonder people push back.
  20. 1 point
    Retired Rear Admiral Charles R. Kubic was recently elected as president of Tidewater Council. In Kubic’s own words, “It is a rare privilege to work alongside the very best Scout volunteers and professional Scouters while guiding the development of our nation’s very best youth as they live the Scout Oath and follow the Scout Law each day on their way to becoming our nation’s leaders of tomorrow.” Kubic began his Scouting adventure at the age of eight, as a Cub Scout in Greensburg, PA. He continued in Scouting throughout his youth, through a Boy Scout troop and high adventure Explorer post. Kubic took on many youth leadership roles, including Patrol Leader, Troop Scribe, Brotherhood member of the Order of the Arrow (Scouting’s honor society), Expedition Crew Leader at Philmont Scout Ranch, and Secretary-Treasurer, Vice President, and President of his Explorer post. As an adult, Kubic volunteered with the Boy Scouts of America in Bangkok, Thailand; Madrid, Spain; Springfield, Virginia; and Virginia Beach, Virginia. His volunteer leadership roles have included Tiger Cub Partner, Webelos Den Leader, Cubmaster, Assistant Scoutmaster, Scoutmaster, Assistant Advisor and Advisor for Order of the Arrow chapters, Advancement Committee Member, Bayside District Chair, Executive Board Member, Executive Vice President, and now Council President. Within Scouting, Kubic earned the recognitions of Silver Beaver, Eagle Scout, District Award of Merit, Arrow of Light, Ad Altare Dei and Parvuli Dei religious awards, and District Committee Scouter’s Training Award. and more at Council link. (Hurray!) Council press link regarding Admiral Kubic Retired Naval Commander Erich Röetz was recently appointed as council commissioner of Tidewater Council. As a youth, he was a member of Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, Tanah Keeta Scout Reservation’s camp staff, and the Order of the Arrow, Scouting’s honor society. As an adult, Röetz volunteered with the Boy Scouts of America in many roles, including Scoutmaster, Committee Chair, Associate Crew Advisor, Crew Advisor, National Youth Leadership Training staff, Wood Badge staff and course director, National Scout Jamboree Scoutmaster and Crew Advisor, Order of the Arrow Lodge Advisor, Executive Board Member, Council Vice President, and now Council Commissioner. Röetz has earned many accolades in Scouting, including Silver Beaver, District Award of Merit, Scoutmaster of the Year, Order of the Arrow Vigil Honor, Crew Leader’s Key, Boy Scout Leader’s Training Award, William D. Boyce New-Unit Organizer Award, and Arrow of Light. Council press link regarding Commander Röetz (Hurray, again!)
  21. 1 point
    "gettting to Eagle as fast as possible"...I find that sad. Scouting is about the journey, not having something to prove. Advancement is a by-product of the journey, not the purpose of it.
  22. 1 point
    Forget BSA marketing, which in my mind totally misses the point. In very simple terms, scouts learn to forestall death:
  23. 1 point
    A step, rather a metric, that I would like to see is to recover past corporate donors who left citing BSA discrimination. My $0.02,
  24. 1 point
    " I have thought for some time now that the roots of racism in our country lie in the fundamental inability of white people to see black people as human in the same way they see themselves." No. The concept that my many black co-workers, a couple of black good friends, and my black GP might not be human has never entered my mind. (Oh, I forgot that my daughters boyfriend is from Liberia, so I guess that he is considered black; even though his English is crisper than my own.) But why should I waste my time protesting my racist label? I am a Caucasian who refuses to genuflect at the BLM altar, so I am obviously a racist. Do I think that blacks are not human? Absolutely not, but I pride myself on having an open mind; so, keep talking...
  25. 1 point
    An interesting anecdotal article. Sorry for what happened in his experience. From that one experience he decides to then paint with a very very broad brush Too many involved in the BSA are Trump supporters, bullish on his foreign and economic policies, silent when it comes to his stoking of racial divisions. So now we see the real reason for his article. Not an honest comment on BSA and it's policies, but a soapbox to criticize the President. And he has every right to, but if you are going to do that own that criticism and be straightforward. Then he again makes a very very broad statement or assumption Racism seems to be at the heart of scout leadership because racism is at the heart of America. I’m encouraged by the BSA’s change of direction. Still, I can’t help thinking that if scouting really were about “character and leadership,” as the BSA said in its earlier, inadequate statement, the organization would have done something about the racism within its ranks a long, long time ago. That is a very damning statement and one that is not backed up by any actual data or realism. That is like going to a chain restaurant and having a bad experience and claiming that all 3,000 locations are bad due to that one sampling. Writer needs to be honest. Yes he seems to have had a bad experience in one troop. However if you assume bad intentions and look for the worst everywhere, you will likely find it.
  26. 1 point
    Unable to view the opinion piece...no WaPo subscription. Since the letter was broadcast, I have had conversations with experienced local Scouters who see the BSA's letter as (their words) "pandering", "bandwagon", "a PR stunt", "an attempt to remain relevant", "inflammatory", etc. Although most understand the intentions behind the letter, there is general sentiment that BSA should have simply reinforced existing parts of the program which apply. Most also agree this will probably be the end of the DRP, or BSA risks another label of hypocrisy.
  27. 1 point
    The OA Lodge I joined followed the Lakota tradition. Every other year we sent a group of 12-18 (2-3 station wagons) to the Res to be trained in Lakota dancing and ceremonies. They did not want us to perform the Ghost Dance for religious reasons, and we did not. I was trained as a drummer, not being graceful. Of course, they were very conservative. They routinely wore European clothing, ate European food, and drove motor vehicles. It never occurred to me that they were engaged in "Cultural Appropriation, " but this was back before PC. American Indians were one of the few cultures not represented in our troop - except for the OA members. The John Birch Society ( known to us as the "Birch John Society") regularly picketed Scout HQ in Santa Ana with three "beefs": 1) we trick-or-treated for UNICEF, which they claimed was a Commie front; 2) the World Brotherhood Merit Badge, which they saw as a scam to promote World Brotherhood; and 3) every troop in our Council was open to any youth who was the right age and would recite the Oath. (Our troop of mostly service brats was a rainbow of cultures and religions.) American Indians routinely name their sports teams in all-American Indian high schools, "Indians." I eat "Mexican" food regularly, because I like it. I got used to it growing up in Alta California. if this be "Cultural Appropriation, " make the most of it. My "Black" roomie for two years in grad school loved spaghetti with meat sauce. I was better at B-ball than he was, being merely poor at it. He could not dribble without looking at the ball. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Joe Biden asserts that he is the final arbiter of which persons are or "ain't" "Black." Thought police are anathema. That was once a revolutionary idea. Now the virtues of policing thought and expression are taught in "institutions of higher learning." Chicago set a new record for civilians shooting and killing civilians over the Labor Day weekend - 85 shot, 24 fatally. Cleveland west of us, is on the way to a record murder rate. I have not seen any uproar over this, just crying family. Apparently not newsworthy. CNN downgraded the Chicago Memorial Day weekend toll to 39 shot and ten killed, and I find no correction. Apparently, SBLM.
  28. 1 point
    So... BSA has decided to change the Eagle requirements AND add a new merit badge with little or no input from volunteers. Sort of on a whim. Great move. This falls into the "let's do something even if it's not well thought out" category BSA has decided to add to the required training for volunteers with little or no input. Another great move Not saying these are necessarily poor initiatives. They wreak of knee jerk reaction and a lack of actual leadership
  29. 1 point
    So, I decided to join the community to decide if I'm really interested in scouting, soo I hope all this info will help me to make the right decision. I'm going to check as many history threads here as it's possible.
  30. 1 point
    This is a fine example of how we are missing the boat today. The focus here is on what the Scouts did and are doing to help the country. The article of course does not come from BSA directly, though you can see the West touch I think. Point is that there is no reason why BSA should not be finding similar ways to loudly toot our horn, or blare it even with all the positive that SO outweighs the negative that the media focus on. In truth, while we are mostly concerned with BSA image, the larger dearth of positive news, which actually predominates if you actually look, is an opportunity.
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