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  1. 4 points
    There are a lot of theories and ideas being tossed around. When the BSA announced the bankruptcy they clearly stated that they national organization did not own the individual councils and that they were administered by their own bord of directors. That statement tells me that the BSA owned 4 campgrounds, an office, and a brand. Issues concerning merging or combining councils are the responsibility of those local boards. Units should be responsible for their own business with the help of their local council. I see little need for monitors or policy enforcement professionals or any of the other committees that pass regulations and directives that affect councils that they dont own. BSA at the national level should take care of their property and supplying the units with what they need and leave everything else to the units. Councils can supply administrative support, be the direct link to the supply division and coordinate occasional council events. All of the beurocratic b&%* s&%@ that really doesnt have anything to do with unit activities can be deleated and Scout Leaders can focus on the program and worry less about all of the "must do...must do not...illegal patch....knife blade sizes...." and focus on the kids and just having fun. I think this is a great oppertunity to return Scouting to the community and remove the decisions of national committees from being the final decision makers on all things scouting. I often wonder what people on these committees know about providing the Scouting program to communities, cities, and states where they have never been.
  2. 3 points
    Nearly everything is automated anyway. YPT, advancement, training, and rechartering are all automated. I sometimes think that those positions that have "region, area, or national" are no more but honorariums and are given out just to stroke individual egos. What do these people do to positively support individual units? How is someone from Connecticut going to tell people in Georgia how to conduct the Scouting program? These are the ones who like to say "you can't do that" or "that is not proper uniforming" and expect you to take their word for it. I think that those who are "above the council level" should be reminded that the council is autonomous; as far as fun, enjoyable, or adventurous, those words aren't even in the BSA mission statement. Let's get the whole idea of having fun back into Scouting. I have never, ever, in no way heard a kid say, "the reason I joined scouting is to memorize, study, sit in a classroom like meeting, or to learn life's lessons. Every last one of them join up to get outside and have fun.
  3. 3 points
    Well said, @Mrjeff. I've watched the professional levels of the BSA over the decades become more and more distant from grass roots scouting. Same with the council and National committees.
  4. 2 points
    I think that is curious that BSA Scouters often quote Baden-Powell in remarks concerning BSA. There are many references made about a letter that BP wrote to the Scouts, especially during Woodbadge courses. I often wonder why the other letters written by BP are excluded. In the book Two Lives of a Hero there are a couple of other letters. One makes reference about not letting the Scout leaders becoming a corps of professionals because it will diminish the fact that Scout leaders are civic minded individuals who are concerned about the youth in their communities. Hmmmm.......let's not talk about that. If we reduce or alleviate those high paying positions councils won't have to pay fees and perhaps the membership fees can be reduced to an affordable level. The Summit is a beautiful place but going there is very expensive and cost prohibitive. It sure is an opulent jamboree site but it is not cost effective. Keep it, sell it, loose it to the bankruptcy, but quit charging the kids money to support a place that they may never get to see.
  5. 2 points
    Schedule of Assets and Liabilities of BSA https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/812006_375.pdf Over 1000 pages of approximate?, best-guess? assets and liabilities of BSA. Recommend one take some aspirin before skimming as I now have a migraine. Note pages 144 thru 185 (42 pages!) list all BSA registered internet domains with "undetermined" value. The domains are in alphabetical order in small font, roughly 31 domains per page. 31 x 42 = 1302 domains more or less? The BSA even registered scouter.org (expires 2021-10-16)! What a waste of money! Artwork, copyrights, and trademarks are listed, some with appraised values. Schedule A/B (Form 206A/B) Assets Real and Personal Property Page 210 has Schedule D (Form 206D) Creditors Who Have Claims Secured BY Property. (36 pages) Creditors are listed alphabetically. Liens are listed in a separate UCC Financing Statement? Page 246 has Schedule E/F (Form 206E/F) Creditors Who Have Unsecured Claims (878 pages). Girl Scouts of America is listed on page 877. Page 1124 has Schedule G (Form 206G) Executory Contracts and Unexpired Leases (119 pages) Page 1243 Schedule H (Form 206H) Codebtors - multiple listing of Delaware BSA, LLC and Arrow WV (3 pages) Summary of Assets and Liabilities for Non-Individuals (Form 206Sum) Appended with Official Form 202 signed by Michael Ashline, CFO and Treasurer
  6. 2 points
    It would certainly be more hygienic to end the handshake in general, not just scouts. As society learned about germs, we made changes to reduce the spread of disease. Civil War "doctors" didn't sterilize their saws when doing amputations. We learned that was a bad idea. It's not unreasonable to discuss ending the handshake. There are people in my office who don't wash their hands after using the bathroom. Some think 2 seconds of water and no soap is good enough. There are many people like this. Do you want to shake their hands?
  7. 1 point
    Domains are cheap generally, and they assert some level of defense over a trademark. Maybe more importantly registration of a domain prevents someone else from registering it and doing something unscoutlike with it. Better to own the registration on scouting.xxx, .sex, .adult, and .porn than to leave it to chance. There were something like 600 TLDs the last I cared to look, so it takes a few registrations.
  8. 1 point
    ah. We agree on this. The more time I've spent around national Professionals, the more and more I don't like them.
  9. 1 point
    @RememberSchiff, thanks for being lead blocker on this research! Those domains are definitely of "undetermined" value. Many are near duplicates. Just as many are obscure. Most of them probably aren't worth anything close to what the BSA paid/pays for them. Just a jumble of stuff. All over the map.
  10. 1 point
    1. At this point I think that professionals above the council level have become damage control specialists, rule enforcement specialists, political correctness barristers, and money collectors. Anyone, professional or volunteer, outside of the individual councils dont have much to do with the success of the individual unit. If the resources expended to support the BSA had been used by councils and districts to assist the individual unit we wouldn't be in the shape we are in. Jeeeees, how many times does Woodbadge have to be rewritten? How many different ways can training be revamped and presented? How many times does a national committee have to revamp the OA policy on Indian affairs? 2. In my opinion the Scouting Professionals at the council level should raise the funds needed to sustain their council and support and maintain their local units. There is a need to have a small group of professionals to take care of logistics and nationally owned property. And, contrary to popular belief, there is nothing found at our high adventure bases that can't be found elsewhere and in many cases, with a lower cost. For many years Philmont was the place to go, and that was when there were a lot more Scouts.
  11. 1 point
    To be fair, the Professional has always been that way. That was by design by Mr. West himself.
  12. 1 point
    This could be spun off into a delightful issues and politics thread. This virus has been a multi national failure of multiple governments and health agencies, trickling down to local leadership being unprepared or in denial.
  13. 1 point
    I have seen some troops do various participation beads as well. Every night camping gets you a red bead, if below freezing a blue or white one, without a tent clear, etc.
  14. 1 point
    Your grandfather's volunteer legacy can help us all! Please tell us more. From Boys Town Alumni, Joseph Edward Wherry (1948-2014), ...the epitome of servant leadership. Boys Town alumnus, US Navy Vietnam disabled veteran, long time Scouter, national service officer for Veterans Association... Scout Salute and farewell.
  15. 1 point
    Someone needs to keep diluting the fun in the requirements? Prevent us from abusing squirt guns? I think the idea of competition would be good. That would require some flexibility in the program. I'm just not sure the 20 super councils is the way to do that. The only reason some councils are doing well is because they're in large metro areas with plenty of companies that can still donate lots of money. That's a model that doesn't work past the town those companies are in. 20 super councils corresponds to roughly 14 current councils per super council. The biggest cost of councils is property. So, the super council model would just sell off lots of properties. From each unit's perspective this doesn't seem to be much better support. It just makes the BSA more solvent. We'd have to drive 3 1/2 hours to get to the likely super council's surviving camp. And we live close. There are other councils that would be 7-8 hours away. The thing that's needed to make that work would be answering a simple question. How does each unit prosper without any council or areas and minimal national staff? I suppose there can be districts. Scouter.com will, naturally, have to be the central idea source 😀. Honestly, multiple online sources of ideas, how-to's, visions, etc can be how units can find what works for them. Scouter.com can be the Bill Hillcourt/Patrol Method model. There can also be the Stem model, the advancement model, and I'm sure we can think of a few more. If the BSA is to be broken up then make it digitally as opposed to geographically. Maybe councils just take care of their camps and ensure YPT, they no longer oversee units, advancement, and all that stuff that can be done online. The only issue is who handles drunk SM's and that type of thing. The national high adventure camps are made into individual corporations and sink or swim on their own. (Adios, Summit.)
  16. 1 point
    I don't know if any of you still use this site, but I did have some info about my grandpa Joseph Edward Wherry l, who was the youngest at 36 years old and received the Silver Beaver Award in 1983. Granted that was a long time ago, I haven't heard about anyone else younger. I feel like this probably would've been beaten by now but I just wanted to put this out there if this could help anyone out.
  17. 1 point
    @BPPatrolonaRoll, welcome to the forums! It takes time to get to know your youth. It sounds like you've realised that your scouts are into an activity that gets them a medal or a patch after a day's work. So ... you need to look for state/national parks that offer such things. Or, call your fire or police department about small awards they may offer. You may have to talk to your SM about budgeting for such things. Your troop can also make totems that would travel from patrol-to-patrol for things like "best uniform", "favorite skit", "first aid champion", etc ...
  18. 1 point
    I think it's irrational to believe that this pandemic spells the end of such basic parts of our culture as hand-shaking. For a season it may diminish in use, but only for a season - when we finally have this illness beaten, which we will, I believe the handshake will come back with a vengeance. Until that time, I am strongly encouraging all Scout leaders to salute each other - it's just as much a means of salutation as the handshake, and in many situations I even prefer it. Why don't we salute each other more? lol.
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