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  1. 2 points
    THE WAR IS OVER, BUT OUR WORK IS NOT. Post World War 1, about a million members and a drive to increase membership. We had a resume of purposeful service during the War, methods which achieved our objectives, and the support of a grateful nation. good read (4 pages), author Harold Horne https://books.google.com/books?id=aSTBSImgQxUC&pg=PA623&lpg=PA623&dq="Boy+Scouts"+%2B"The+War+Is+Over,+but+Our+Work+Is+Not"&source=bl&ots=gmfkJYHtXz&sig=ACfU3U39lHEazcqe8f92-cqlwuTnTJV4-Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj3itDhw4joAhVugnIEHeSdDXQQ6AEwAXoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q="Boy Scouts" %2B"The War Is Over%2C but Our Work Is Not"&f=false As mentioned in source, I like the original idea of Boy Scout Week being celebrated from June 8 to Flag Day June 14., focus on patriotism and service. My $0.02,
  2. 2 points
    We plan on having our mulch delivery Friday and Saturday of next week. We're pretty much at a point of no return. We can keep people in small groups as there's one truck driver and a chase driver with scouts and usually another adult. Typically there will be groups of 6-8 people. We usually cater it with BBQ Saturday evening, but I think we'll tell people they need to bring their own lunch and dinner. We're currently planning on canceling everything else as directed.
  3. 2 points
    For all those looking for explicit documentation about sharing leadership between boy and girl troops, here you go: https://skcscouts.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Starting-Linked-Troop.pdf This clearly and definitively states that the entire youth troop structures of linked troops are supposed to be independent. There is no reason a female SPL can't serve in an ad hoc leadership role for some activity, however the key concept behind an "ad hoc" anything is that the term of service is only the duration of the (typically short) immediate activity. Furthermore, serving in some leadership role on an ad hoc basis is completely different from formally holding a "Position of Leadership".
  4. 2 points
    I respect very much your point here. I am not looking to start a debate on the subject nor nitpick others. Some group at national has generated the document I quoted (the 03.5.18 version of the FAQ) where the BSA began to spell out guidance on the linked troop model. This group is who I'm referring to when I say "intended." In that document the BSA starts to outline a structure for how a linked troop could work - common unit committee, common opening, common closing, some joint activities. The bulk of that meeting - instruction, games, patrol time - is done by individual troop. As @MikeS72 writes - this was done in part to deal with creating unit committees - I think this is true. But, this also reflects a reality that many of the COs starting troops for girls will already have strong troops for boys. At those COs, there will be a lot of opportunity for the troops to interact, collaborate. That troop for boys is running a quality program and it makes sense for the troop for girls to grow and benefit from that. It sounds like this is exactly what happened here to great success. The structure defined in the 03.5.18 FAQ is bound to lead to questions of organization within the Scouts. If your two troops are regularly going on joint activities, have joint openings, etc. how do the Scouts within the troop troops interact? Do we enact a wall between the two groups of Scouts or do we let them Scout alongside each other for that activity? If they are Scouting alongside each other, then how do the Scouts deal with leadership and organization? Which troop organizes the event? Do we jointly organize the event? Who conducts the opening? Do the adults make that decision or the scouts? If the Scouts make that decision then how? The most probable model in this kind of scenario is that there are two SPLs - one for each unit. Those SPLs work as equals to organize all this. But, that model is going to invite frequent questions of who is in charge - what if the boys want a detail one way, but the girls another? It makes sense to denote one of the two SPLs as lead for that event - sure. But what if this is happening monthly or even weekly? Is every event now a negotiation to see who is in charge? To see which SPL has the stronger ability to assume control? Here the troop tried something different - they elected a joint SPL. That is an entirely reasonable idea to try based on the structure and documentation available at the time. If you read the material closely most people would certainly infer that this wasn't intended. But this group arrived at a different decision - and it's been working. Call it a mistake or accident - but it's working and succeeding. Yeah - maybe it's not the perfect Scouting structure for how the BSA views the structure working - but I don't see the need to tell them this needs to stop. Sometimes the need of the unit outweigh the rules and regulations.
  5. 1 point
    As higher education institutions are moving to online teaching for the rest of the semester because of Coronavirus concerns, it is an opportunity to re-evaluate the availability of some training online that currently is not. I am a college professor. I am fully in support of the value of in-person classes and discussion when possible. As for the overall all debate on in-person vs. online, while I enjoy and prefer in-person when possible - if accredited universities can offer all their classes online, certainly scouting should be able to as well. Especially in geographically large councils, for people who have mobility or financial limitations, or times when public gatherings are prohibited (as, for some of us, right now). I am also aware that some of the online training Scouting provides is duplicated or cumbersome. However, for the most part, it is much easier now to get people trained at least to a basic, position specific level, than it ever has. This has also, I think just as importantly, made it possible to track a person's training to a degree we did not have even a decade ago. Noticeably lacking in this area, however, is the College of Commissioner Science. I know the lessons slides/notes are available online (https://www.scouting.org/commissioners/training/college/), but downloading and reading these usually will not 'count' as having taken the class. I have, over the last 15 years, been to three CCS/UoS events, in three different councils, and almost inevitably, it was just a powerpoint presentation that one could have just as well read on your own time at home. There is value in the conversations and sharing with others between 'classes', but the lessons themselves are no different in person than online. And, none of those three have recorded any of my attendance anywhere trackable. I cannot 'prove' I was at them, other than to find an old patch when available. Three should be enough to complete the "master's level" but I'm still arguing for my "bachelor's". So, shouldn't we be encouraging either or both: These classes be added to the online training available to all scouts. A way to submit attendance at classes to be "certified" in some way, so that in-person training is tracked and recorded along with all the online training? Anything else?
  6. 1 point
    Ours hasn't had this yet, but I expect it to come down soon. I am not worried about our sailing activities but camping and transportation are the things that are harder to control.
  7. 1 point
    could you imagine being in a troop that met and served at the American Museum of Natural History.....talk about an opportunity that no other boys would ever get...!! I wonder how many future scholars came from that unit...?
  8. 1 point
    I would tend to agree with you if the OP said outside forces were telling the unit this needs to stop, but this just isn't the case. It is the unit committee who is telling the scoutmaster this needs to stop. I am much more doubtful about the claims that this is working and succeeding, as I am with the assertion that it has unanimous support from the boys' unit. The opposition from the unit committee might indicate otherwise. In any case, if the scoutmaster and the unit committee are at loggerheads on this issue, I think the COR needs to step in and settle the issue.
  9. 1 point
    Having gender-separate troops on paper, but operating as Co-ed is a clear violation of BSA intent, if not policy. Period, end of discussion. It doesn't matter what we THINK works best or what they do in other countries. I know there are folks from BSA National reading these posts so it will be interesting to hear what they have to say. @RichardB??
  10. 1 point
    At some point I believe that we will have co-ed scouting here as well. At this time we are not co-ed at the troop level. Everything I have seen regarding linked troops suggests that BSA understood the challenge of getting completely separate leadership and committees for both units. This was a reasonable compromise that allowed a CO to get a girl troop up and running. In my area, we have three troops within a 3 mile area, one of which meets less than a mile away from us. I would be open to joint activities between our troops, but would never expect the SPL of one of those units to be selected to serve as SPL of more than one troop. Linked troop or neighbor troop, they are still two separate units, and should have separate SPLs.
  11. 1 point
    On Saturday we had 50 Explorer Scouts and leaders go up to London and take part in a Monopoly Run (visit all the places on the UK (London) Monopoly board) with about 4000 other Scouts and Guides. Every single Explorer that was booked on came. Speaking to the organiser enough teams pulled out at the last minute that made him wonder if he'd made the right choice to carry on with the event, but govt advice here is basically "Keep Calm and Wash Your Hands". So we did. Yesterday a large (10,000 participants) County run international Jamboree being held in July was cancelled as the financial risk was considered too great to commit to carry on.
  12. 1 point
    You should be aware of the fact that both the COR and the IH have the authority to step in and tell you how to run the program. If the committee knows what they are doing, they will go to the COR, the IH, or both. Maybe they have already done so. The committee doesn't need to go to national. This can be handled in unit.
  13. 1 point
    NJ Sea Scouts refurbish Coast Guard 40's boat old photo after CG 40450 out of service and before Sea Scouts refurbish. ...The founding Scouts met while camping at the Joseph Citta Scout camp in Barnegat and decided they wanted to form a local Sea Scout chapter of the Boy Scouts. The Sea Scouts is open to boys and girls. The numbers have grown to 15 registered members, and they meet twice a month, the second and fourth Wednesdays at 7 p.m. in the Tuckerton Seaport’s Hunting Shanty. Seven of the 15 registered members, ages 14 to 21, are already Eagle Scouts, but the others can work on their Eagle Scout ranking while in the Sea Scouts. Some of the Eagle Scouts are now working toward their Sea Scout Quartermaster rank. Erin is already familiar with being on the water as her father was on the sailboat racing circuit, and Julianne takes part in the Navy Junior ROTC at her high school. Skipper Murphey said the boat was donated in December by Frank Moran of Staten Island, who passed away a few weeks ago, but not before he had arranged for Dave Moran Towing (not a relative) to bring the boat down to Great Bay Marina. The cost to the scouts was zero. “Frank wanted it to go to the kids,” said Murphey. The Scouts will supply the sweat equity to get the boat on the water in time for this summer, Murphey hopes by June. The owners of Great Bay Marina, Tom and Anna Paxton, donated the dry dock to the scouts, and when it’s ready for the water, Brad and Cheryl Bennett, owners of Stewart’s Drive-In in Tuckerton, have donated a slip for the boat on Tuckerton Creek. Murphey is excited to have the power boat, which has two GMC 671 diesel in-board motors, waiting for a boat mechanic to donate time. Coast Guard Utility boat 40450 was built in 1951. It is just like boats that used to work out of Coast Guard Station 119, now the Rutgers University Marine Field Station at the end of Great Bay Boulevard in Little Egg Harbor, said Murphey. “They were called ’40 boats’ and did the patrolling and rescue missions all along the coast.”... More infos and photos at source: https://www.thesandpaper.net/articles/sea-scouts-refurbish-coast-guard-boat/
  14. 1 point
    Of course you can! One, policy dictates that the girl cannot be SPL of the male unit in the first place; ergo, her election was invalid before it even took place. Second, there are no such things as "terms" when it comes to BSA troop positions. Youth leaders serve until the unit realizes they need - or decides that they want - new leaderership. If you read the various handbooks, guides and publications regarding the BSA troop leadership positions, you will find that you can hold an election whenever you want, whenever it's needed. Here it is CLEARLY needed; the only problem is that the adults don't want it, and the youth haven't been taught well enough to know it. There's a lot of good happening, as we've established - but there's a whole lot that needs fixing too.
  15. 1 point
    When you say "letter of reflection" do you mean "statement of your ambitions and life purpose"? If so then yes it is required before the Scoutmaster and Committee Chair sign. It is part of Requirement #6. By signing the Scoutmaster and Committee Chair are certifying that requirements 1 - 6 are complete.
  16. 1 point
    We actually discussed this at committee meeting. Our troop is about 75 Scouts, suburban setting. Decision was really no decision, just that we would keep on keeping on. Our "do we cancel stuff" meter will be based on the local School system. 95% of our Scouts attend the public system locally. If they were to shut down, we would follow along. Not so different from weather stuff. Also if the church (our CO) curtailed things, we would also pullback. But, as I noted to the committee, our meetings and campouts are run by the Scouts with a great amount of attention to cleanliness, hand washing, and the highest levels of sanitary conditions. Why the CDC could take lessons from the patrols on meal prep, food storage, tent tidiness, and general cleanliness. Our camping areas are so clean the Scouts can and in fact do eat things that fall of the dutifully scrubbed tables. The dreaded COVID19 would not stand a chance among our urchins.
  17. 1 point
    I suspect that given the amount GSUSA is asking for in its claim, it will remain on the panel. Any and all claims must still (1) be determined to be valid (that BSA owes something to the claimant), (2) have the full amount of a valid claim determined (how much BSA owes to the claimant), (3) have a determination of how, and how much, valid claims will actually be paid from the available assets. The validity and amount of many claims will be undisputed. The validity of many claims will be undisputed, but the amount owed will be disputed. And both the validity and amount of many claims (like GSUSA's) will be disputed. Whenever there is a dispute, it has to be resolved through some process in the bankruptcy court (such as an "adversary action," essentially a sub-lawsuit within the greater bankruptcy), or a process overseen by the bankruptcy court (negotiation, mediation), or a process authorized by the bankruptcy court (a lawsuit in another court -- what GSUSA is asking for). Once the dispute is resolved, the result still has to be rolled into the bigger bankruptcy's overall resolution and payment.
  18. 1 point
    Does your son or unit use Scoutbook? The Eagle Rank Application is mostly filled out there for you. Dates included.
  19. 1 point
    Yeah @atrox79, as one who couldn't care less about who's in whose patrol -- I barely care about who's tenting with whom -- I can feel your pain. But, face facts ... you've gone rogue. No matter how much better off the boys would be with this SPL, and no matter how much the girls don't need an SPL because their recruitment hasn't garnered numbers for multiple patrols, you have two troops and one is established with parents and committee who have set expectations. I suspect "liability" is a smoke screen for fear of what you will do next. So, reign yourself in. Your 17 year old female is SPL of the girls troop. She's not doing bed-checks on the boys, not hearding them to showers, nor is her first responsibility to leaders who are only registered with the male's troop. Your male ASPL is de facto the SPL of the boys troop. He is not checking that the girls are tucked in, not hearding them to showers, not inspecting their latrine. Nor is his first responsibility to the leaders registered only with the female's troop. Explain this to your committee, include the SPLs on the meeting. make it work.
  20. 1 point
    Virtually nothing has changed since last year- the troops are separate units. There is a troop 123B and a troop 123G. Linked troops are an option that streamlines the administration for a Chartering Organization for the Committee only. The BSA implemented the rule that each unit must have their own SM, and it can not be the same person for both units to emphasize that they are two units at the program level. We don't have the side of the story for your Committee to know if they are reacting to "something changed" today, or if it has been an ongoing discussion. I can only offer that I had our committee and SM corps discuss planning last year on being a linked troop- while it did not happen yet due to lack of females interested, we remain open to the possibility. The statement that they are two units "on paper" is the problem- it isn't supposed to be just on paper, it is supposed to be in reality. While I understand all the arguments on why it makes sense to let the youth decide if they will hold joint activities for economy of scale and sharing resources to allow the units to grow, going around BSA policy to accomplish your own goals is not appropriate. Our job as adult unit leaders is to emphasize following the Oath and Law- teaching the youth to subvert rules and policy doesn't feel to me like it is keeping with that ideal. As to the question "where is it in writing that a youth member can't hold a leadership position over another troop (over, not in)", please refer to the handbook (or ILST, NYLT, etc.). Star rank requirement #5: "While a First Class Scout, serve actively in your troop for four months in one or more of the following positions of responsibility..." Again, you have two troops here, troop 123B and troop 123G, not one troop.
  21. 1 point
    A lot of heated discussion on this. Keeping it short...the troops should operate independently. Give each an identity and let it run. I'm sure each troop had a separate recharter packet, so they are linked by the same chartered org and/or committee? Please don't put out the cub program and BSA Scouts program have the same boy/girl rules. Cub rules are lighter.
  22. 1 point
    I am Scoutmaster of a 37-girl non-linked Troop. We operate in the standard matter as a Troop, with four patrols and all the normal elected and appointed youth leaders. Our SPL and her ASPL are tops and have attended NYLT. I believe you should operate the troops separately in accordance with BSA policy because that is the best way for the Scouts from both troops to have the full advantages and opportunities of Scouting. Fulfilling the role of an SPL is something not to be missed, and you should offer that to kids from both Troops. Operating your Troops as separately as possible will cause the girl troop to grow more quickly and provide the full leadership opportunities for more Scouts. Venturing is available for those chartered organizations who want to have a co-ed program. Scouts BSA is not co-ed.
  23. 1 point
    I think her opposition to this is that even thought the troops are linked which means they only share the same unit committee. They are 2 troops not one. A youth member of one troop cannot hold a position in another troop that they are not a member of which means that your troop made up of male youth dose-not have a SPL. Them wanting her as SPL is not a factor because she cannot be because she is not a member of the male troop.
  24. 1 point
    "Why" is not ours to understand. Using your illustration, if a DL of a den of one sex doesn't won't countenance a DC of the opposite sex, he/she would be within rights to refuse the youth a position ... or abandon the den. Arguing that his/her actions are indefensible would only make matters worse.
  25. 1 point
    Be aware that you are in violation of established BSA policy. While you may share committees, resources, and even adult leadership, you are still operating two separate troops. That means each unit, the male and the female unit, needs to operate apart from the other. That means they should not be sharing youth leadership, and your current organization of boy and girl patrols goes against the rules of the Boy Scouts of America. You need to divide your units into a boy troop (with its own SPL and patrols) and a girl troop (with its own SPL and patrols). The fact that your units are thriving should be an indicator that such a division will not be a problem, and that your troops will continue to grow. But there is a concerning line in your post: One of the bigger issues National has to deal with is maintaining YPT standards and barriers to abuse. By ignoring the policy regarding male and female units, you are in fact violating those standards. I think you have been successful enough with recruiting new members that you should have no problem making the adjustments needed to conform with proper standards, which will only strengthen your units for both the boys and the girls. But be aware that, as it currently stands, your attempts to merge the boy and girl units will only cause headaches and potential problems down the line.
  26. 1 point
    Welcome to the forum, @atrox79. Going from 7 scouts to 3+1 patrols sounds great. I'd be interested in hearing how that happened. As for a female SPL, hopefully the response from national will be: you have two troops so you need two SPL's, a boy for the boy's troop and a girl for the girl's troop. Here's another idea. Get rid of the SPL. The girl's troop doesn't need one as there is only one patrol. For the three boy patrols the PLC can consist of the three PL's working together. They can figure out how to have a single, senior PL to cover events. They might go round robin. They might just have the senior most PL be the SPL. Let them decide. The point is the focus should be on a group of patrols, not a troop. If the girl's patrol wants to do something different then they should (they are a different troop, after all). And if one of the boy patrols wants to do something different then they should as well.
  27. 1 point
    My scouts like to wear both kinds. When they wear the NYLT neckers they wear slides, when they wear bigger neckers they use friendship knots. Sea Scout and Venturers also rarely wear neckers because they prefer not to unless it is for a formal event. There needs to be BSA buffs, they are more likely to wear those.
  28. 1 point
    We will be working on several different merit badges during the canoe trip so the scouts will still have advancement opportunities. We also have 4/5 camp located with less than 3 hours of our location that I am sure we will lookin attending next year if our local camp stays with the quest program We usually make 1/2 weekend camping trips a year were we have canoe/kayak day trips along the river using a local property along the river as a home base camp. 10 miles above our location is one of the largest lakes inside our 2 state area. within the next 35 miles down river there are 5 dams and 3 lakes. The property we camp on is located between 2 old cotton mill dams have only have about 1 1/2 miles between them. There is no safe way to get around these 2 dams and we never get on the river when the dam 10 miles above us is generating between these 2 dams. When using this property we always check the generating schedule and know and watch for the signs that the dam has started to generate. We are located along a very dangerous part of our local river that you have to respect. I can remember only several things about the 4 or 5 summer camps I attended after my first one but I have many memories of the 4 week long hiking that I make as a scout and the new skills I learned during these trips. After the first one I learned what not to carry. I feel like this will be one of those trips that each of the youth will remember years from now.
  29. 1 point
    y'all sound like a bunch of grumpy people. If the youth want to wear the friendship knot, let them.
  30. 1 point
    Have any of you seen these? The are posters found with my dad's 1924 world jamboree gear. Posters are about 11X17 on glossy paper. The notes attached are what I figured out but would love additional information.1924 Posters.pdf1924 Posters.pdf1924 Posters.pdf
  31. 1 point
    @TAHAWK, @SSScout, @T2Eagle and @Chadamus, the forum software was being fixed. There was a problem with new users getting set up correctly. It works now. Thanks for your patience.
  32. 1 point
    This is a fine example of how we are missing the boat today. The focus here is on what the Scouts did and are doing to help the country. The article of course does not come from BSA directly, though you can see the West touch I think. Point is that there is no reason why BSA should not be finding similar ways to loudly toot our horn, or blare it even with all the positive that SO outweighs the negative that the media focus on. In truth, while we are mostly concerned with BSA image, the larger dearth of positive news, which actually predominates if you actually look, is an opportunity.
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  34. 0 points
    I think the only sensible course is to leave the SPL position in place. You cannot remove a female SPL from a joint position that was previously given to a male SPL until the term runs out. You have to consider the optics on that. More importantly, the impact on the scout. However it happened, pushing the idea now that children are being irreparably harmed by having a female SPL for a few months is a potential PR debacle. I can see her being interviewed on CNN now. You'd have to be pretty process blinded to not see that. Also, I would not be so sure that National would have a cow over a female joint SPL. At some point, BSA is likely going to whip out another survey or press release and say that scouting families overwhelmingly want the option of blended units. I think the Bryan on Scouting post shows where the thinking on that is headed.
  35. 0 points
    I am not understanding why a female scout can't be a joint SPL? It's a leadership position in linked troops. Assuming all adults follow YPT and youth follow all tenting requirements, there is no violation that I can see. It's discriminatory and not defensible. Can a female scout be a den chief or troop guide for a boy den or patrol? Of course.
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