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I don't believe the 72 hours is cumulative over the scouting year, rather, it's per event.

I think we need to assume that those adult attendees (who choose to not register as unit leaders) don't want to be unit leaders. They don't want to supervise the youth at scouting events. They don't want to actively observe other adults and note YP violations. They don't want to study the rules. They just want to show up at the event to show their love and support for their kid. We leaders should not depend on non-volunteers to do our jobs. Let them just attend, and thank them for their support.

If they are on a BSA outing, with kids that aren't theirs, YPT absolutely applies for parents that aren't volunteers, but are at BSA events.

Correct. The most often confused statement in YPT and the one so many Scouters feel they know, but it's not what they think From the BSA - FAQ on YPT - https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/email/campaign/Youth-Protection-FAQ_03-07-2018.pdf Effective June 1, 2018, adults accompanying a Scouting unit who are present at the activity for 72 total hours or more must be registered as a leader, including completion of a criminal background check and Youth Protection Training. The 72 hours need not be consecutive Note that they are referring to THE activity, not ALL activities. If

The best officers I ever served under understood this truth. Their NCOs were their best teachers and resources for success.

There are a lot of variables in the openess issue IMHO. Sometimes the pro's know the issue will be contentious and they don't want to deal with it until they absolutely have too. I put the Philmont mortgage in that category. Selling a council camp would be another. While a volunteer council committee is suppose to approve these decisions, in reality most committees are "yes men" Another reason for lack of openess is to prevent people from finding out how screwed up things really are. And sometimes that lack of openess applies to the DEs. When I interviewed and looked at information at my

it doesn't depend on where the event is being held. It does depend on whether it is a scouting event. Every Chartering Organization agrees to "Conduct the Scouting program consistent with BSA rules, regulations, and policies." BSA has specific YPT rules, they're not onerous, they're not unreasonable, and they're not hard to follow or enforce. If you are participating in a scouting event, or any event outside your own home, you are implicitly agreeing to follow the rules of the event or to forfeit whatever right you might have to be there. You can't walk across the basketball court o

We also need to accept the fact that there may be a reason a parent won't register (not in a no-cost position). Something might come up in a background check that a parent would not discuss. In certain of our families, that might apply to both parents. On occasion the problem might involve something that would be a serious red flag. We've seem some serious messes come through the door. Still, we want such parents to know what to expect from us. That pamphlet in each handbook is a good start. But, it won't work for most. Frankly, I don't think there's a one size fits all. The best I can t

I'm not quite sure what we're discussing here. At a Scouting event non-leaders need to follow the YPT rules. However, it's not their job to implement them or to report on them. The YPT rules are designed to be administered and overseen by registered adults. That's why the rules all require at least one registered adult at pretty much all times. So, while awareness in the non-leader community is important, it's not required because placing non-leaders and scouts together unsupervised should not happen.

With all due respect, while the training may be only 90 minutes, depending upon geographical location, it may take over 4 hours to download the materials to do the training. I am fortunate in that I have high speed internet at home. But other folks in my district, which is extremely rural, do not have access top high speed internet. One reason why we begged the SE to be allowed in person YP training, and had a group of about 12 from all over attend.

I think that 40% could buy a lot of beer too. But since we're talking backpacking, it will have to be Lite beer so it's easier to pack into the backcountry.

This falls apart on multiple levels. Uncle Jack, who has been taking his nieces and nephews to his favorite fishing hole since they could walk, is not going to stop just because they are now scouts. Bobby the babysitter with a driver's license is not going to stop driving the kids to events just because they are under the auspices of the BSA. And certainly not when she turns 18. Jane, who is in college someplace awesome to hike is going to invite her younger brother and scout buddy to stay at her dorm the night before some cool scouting expo on her campus. A half dozen boys are going to meet a

Peer-to-peer recruitment among youth is doing just fine. Purveyors of recreational drugs rely on it to secure their future clientele. If scouts Eagle-and-out it is because they don't feel: needed. The adults will do all the work anyway. challenged. The troop isn't pitching Palms and other awards properly. respected. They aren't being asked to visit elementary and middle schools in uniform to promote the program. They aren't attending naturalization ceremonies, or opening a session of local government, or helping run a booth at a community festival. wealthy. Someone

I was one of those who was indifferent about the OA scene due to time constraints and other issues. Over time due to arm twisting, I became more involved, and so has my son. Yes, there are youth that should not be there, and are troublemakers, but it is no sin to rally the troops, and encourage youth and adults to serve. We should be reminded that the chief goal of scouting is to develop young men into engaged citizens and leaders of the future. Being tapped is not an award for the self involved overachievers, but a call to service. Relationships and strengthening the bonds of brotherhood

I've gotta think that in a Scouting program that is contracting, this is going to be an all too common occurrence. A lodge/chapter structure setup when Scouting had two or three times the members is going to struggle and try to figure out how to have critical mass. Like others, I'd rather see 10 committed members than 100 members who don't care. I'm getting the impression that many of these chapters are at the point where there are 10 members all looking at each other and saying "where is everyone?" So you're the chapter chief in a district with 500 Scouts and 10 members in the OA. W

Our SMs and ASMs keep lodge business out of the troop except to encourage the Chapter Representatives to fulfill their obligations. It's up to the CR to relay the vision of the lodge to the youth. Our adult arrowmen have enough work exhorting adults like me to put some muscle behind he lodge. @SteveMM, your son needs to be plain spoken (both to the SM and to over-zealous arrowmen) and reply "Sir, I have no intention to persue brotherhood this year." A shrug is insufficient communication. Learning to state your position clearly to these types of leaders is a good life lesson

SteveMM, I can tell you as a formally active ceremonial team advisor for the chapter who still attends chapter meetings, our lodge is pushing "HARD", Brotherhood conversions. This appears to have happened shortly after the OA made it simpler to become a brotherhood member, mainly shortening the time required from having become an Ordeal member. An active adult member who has been a SM, Unit Commissioner, District Commissioner, and now our new Lodge Advisor (he's earned and deserves all of these positions), said since this rule change, the intent of the national OA, is to push brotherhood

If you are on a troop camping trip at a non BSA property like a state park, and a parent who is non registered is walking off somewhere alone with a scout that is not their child, you propose doing nothing, because the YPT rules don't apply to them? They haven't broken any laws (yet.) Do they mean any harm? No probably not. Is it worth doing nothing and hoping for the best? No. We can't forcibly apply YPT to every situation and place, outside of BSA events. (Nor do I want to even try) At BSA events, I'm going to follow YPT and insist others do the same. Meetings, Courts of Honor, Ca