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  1. 4 points
    From going through various forums and blog: The Don't worry be happy..."we have a benefactor who is paying the 2000 increase.....nothing to see here" The ones getting a council bail out or assistance vs the crickets The OMG...we are out of business. thanks BSA The WTH...how incompetent is national announcing this just before recharters. No Transparency with the risk analysis. A lot of folks concurring with this one. The look down the nosers ...It's only $5 a month or two cups of coffee, suck it up not knowing the individual financial situation of others or volunteering to pay it for them. The "it's a bargain" compared to sports ..of course never actually calculating the total annual cost of scouting and comparing apples to oranges. Probably a few others.
  2. 3 points
    In the case of 4H, $0. The link has a couple of interesting jabs at scouting as well..... https://4-h.org/parents/ways-to-participate/
  3. 3 points
    Scouter.com has been cheerfully sharing wisdom about scouting for almost 2 decades. That's a lot of wisdom to sift through when you're looking for "take aways". Luckily for y'all, I was curious about some of the different ways a scout unit might make money, or maybe ways a scout can fund his Eagle project. Here are 50 useful and interesting approaches that have been discussed here through the years, along with links you can click on to see the pros and cons that scouters have talked about. In my quest to be maximully helpful, I left off Captain Obvious's favorite choices like Trails End popcorn sales or Camp Cards. Have no fears, Council will tell you about these (and tell you, and tell you....) Fair Warning! Ideas always come in 2 flavors: good ideas and bad ideas. Not all of these are good ideas. Read the posts to find out what "gotchas" were discovered by intrepid scouters who went before you. Some are not practical. Some might end up being money losers instead of money earners. Some will not meet BSA fundraising guidelines. Some will incur the wrath of your charter org or your local scout executive. Some might not work in your part of the country. But some of them will work for you and some of them will make money for you. It's up to you to separate the "good" from the "bad" ideas... 50 Ways to Make Some Troop Bucks Spaghetti Dinner https://www.scouter.com/topic/21571-spagetti-diner/ https://www.scouter.com/topic/21617-spaghetti-dinners/ https://www.scouter.com/topic/21713-conducting-a-successful-spaghetti-dinner/ Pancake Breakfast https://www.scouter.com/topic/24749-pancakes-versus-spaghetti/ https://www.scouter.com/topic/31226-breakfast-is-served/ Troop Cookbook https://www.scouter.com/topic/21565-cookbook-fundraiser/ Bottled Water (at community events) https://www.scouter.com/topic/21570-bottled-water/ Pictures with Santa https://www.scouter.com/topic/21560-we-are-trying-something-new/ Hanging Flower Baskets https://www.scouter.com/topic/21559-consignment-how-to/ Sno Cone Stand https://www.scouter.com/topic/21581-sno-cones/ 5K/10K Race https://www.scouter.com/topic/21596-510k-race-as-a-fundraiser/ https://www.scouter.com/topic/21758-has-anyone-tried-a-race/ Pro Wrestling https://www.scouter.com/topic/21590-pro-wrestling-fundraisers/ Bake Sale https://www.scouter.com/topic/21583-question-about-a-pack-bake-sale/ https://www.scouter.com/topic/21791-any-bake-sales-done/ Dessert Raffle https://www.scouter.com/topic/21604-desert-raffle-at-the-court-of-honor/ Cake Auction https://www.scouter.com/topic/26100-last-nights-cake-auction/ Candles https://www.scouter.com/topic/21631-candle-fundraiser/ Drive-In Movie Night https://www.scouter.com/topic/21638-drive-in-movie-nights/ Rent a Scout https://www.scouter.com/topic/21665-rent-a-scout/ Calendar / Dish Cloth https://www.scouter.com/topic/21679-calendar-dish-cloth/ Flag Service https://www.scouter.com/topic/21592-flag-fundraisers/ https://www.scouter.com/topic/21704-want-an-american-flag-delivered-to-your-door/ Hamburgers https://www.scouter.com/topic/21694-hamburgers-at-the-home-depot/ Used Book Sale https://www.scouter.com/topic/21685-has-anyone-tried-a-used-book-sale/ Hoagies https://www.scouter.com/topic/21698-successful-fundraiser-this-past-weekend/ Park Cars https://www.scouter.com/topic/21728-parking-cars-for-a-fundraiser/ https://www.scouter.com/topic/21802-fundraiserparking-cars/ Yard Sale https://www.scouter.com/topic/21721-yardrummage-sale/ https://www.scouter.com/topic/21740-successful-yard-sale/ https://www.scouter.com/topic/31549-community-yard-sale/ Candy Bars https://www.scouter.com/topic/21716-so-the-scouts-want-to-sell-candy-bars-yippee/ https://www.scouter.com/topic/21800-candybar-funraisers-in-leu-of-popcorn/ https://www.scouter.com/topic/26266-candy-bars/ Craft Fair https://www.scouter.com/topic/21754-hosting-a-craft-fair/ Motorcycle Rides https://www.scouter.com/topic/21752-motorcycle-fund-raising-ride/ Raffle https://www.scouter.com/topic/21749-raffle-work-around/ Pizza https://www.scouter.com/topic/21763-joe-corbi-pizza-fundraiser/ Pizza Cards https://www.scouter.com/topic/21792-anyone-ever-sell-pizza-cards/ Parents Night Out https://www.scouter.com/topic/21760-parents-night-out/ Pie In the Face https://www.scouter.com/topic/21784-another-fundraising-idea/ Christmas Gift Wrapping https://www.scouter.com/topic/21779-saw-a-good-funraiser-before-christmas/ Christmas Trees https://www.scouter.com/topic/25578-christmas-trees/ Christmas Wreaths https://www.scouter.com/topic/21839-debating-selling-wreaths-recommendations-other-fundraisers/ https://www.scouter.com/topic/31446-wreath-company-recommendations/ Poinsettias https://www.scouter.com/topic/26658-poinsettias/ Fireworks https://www.scouter.com/topic/21776-fundraising-with-a-fireworks-tent/ Citrus Fruit https://www.scouter.com/topic/21790-anyone-ever-sell-fl-citrus-fruit/ Silent Auction https://www.scouter.com/topic/21720-fundraisers-silent-auction/ Batteries https://www.scouter.com/topic/21807-interstate-battery-sale-anyone-done-this/ First Aid Kits https://www.scouter.com/topic/26435-reputable-first-aid-kit-companies-for-fundraising/ Car Wash https://www.scouter.com/topic/21805-carwash-season-is-almost-here/ https://www.scouter.com/topic/21832-car-wash-fundraiser-issue/ Percent of Sales Night at Restaurant (Red Robin, Pizza Hut) https://www.scouter.com/topic/21816-redrobin-fundraiser/ https://www.scouter.com/topic/27893-pizza-hut-night/ Kickball Tournament https://www.scouter.com/topic/24846-kickball-tournament/ Recycling https://www.scouter.com/topic/27341-is-recycling-as-a-fundraiser-sustainable/ Gofundme https://www.scouter.com/topic/27535-gofundme-accounts/ Eat Ghost Peppers https://www.scouter.com/topic/28724-texas-asm-eats-23-ghost-peppers-for-troop-fundraiser/ Drink Machine https://www.scouter.com/topic/31258-automatic-drink-machine-fund-raiser/ Pick Blueberries https://www.scouter.com/topic/30398-blueberry-project-nh/ Haunted House https://www.scouter.com/topic/31670-haunted-house/ Meat Sticks / Jerky https://www.scouter.com/topic/31626-country-meats/ Donuts https://www.scouter.com/topic/31363-donuts/ BONUS GRAB BAG: Various Ideas for More Fundraisers... https://www.scouter.com/topic/21772-non-selling-fundraisers/ https://www.scouter.com/topic/29339-fundraising-ideas-for-troops-easy/
  4. 3 points
    Like everything it's a balance. A few years ago I hiked a moderate trail down in the Great Smokie Mountains. Before I got finished I'd shared some water at the top of the hike with people who didn't bring any, gave up some moleskin to a blister sufferer, and gave up my TP to well, you can guess. None of those people would have died had I not been there, but, their experience was made better because I was prepared. In the immortal words of the great philosopher Mike Tyson, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
  5. 3 points
    The issue is what services does National provide that we are paying to receive. National does not provide facilities for meetings, any of the District or Council paid staff, most camps any scout goes to, etc. National provides the program outline (actual program materials comes with extra cost), insurance (but not the insurance that councils provide for injuries at outings), IT systems, and administrative overhead. The actual program is put on by units, districts and councils. The correct comparison is GSUSA, Trail Life, 4H, etc. who’s National fees are much less than BSA. My disappointment is not necessarily the increase, but the lack of any transparency on what they did to ensure their financial house gets back in order.
  6. 3 points
    My troop as a Scout was founded in 1908 in Santa Ana, California. BSA showed up after the troop had been in operation eighteen years and had, at least on paper, 61 members. They "figured" they were the forty-third Peace Scout troop in California when formed in 1908 from two preexisting patrols. I Scouted twenty-five years with a Cleveland-area troop formed in 1908. There were ninety-nine troops in the area when BSA appeared in 1912 (five claiming to be the first), not counting independent patrols, that could register as such for the next fifty years. We owe BSA for many thing, but especially giving Bill Hillcourt the opportunity to become the most influential person in Scouting, but BSA, who hailed him as such, has forgotten most of his lessons about the centrality of the Patrol Method and the Outdoor Program. Program builds and sustains membership, which, in turn, relieves financial problems, but program is seldom the focus of BSA, especially patrol program. I have met some very fine Scouters who were employees, friends for decades even when they escaped this area for Scouting jobs elsewhere. I assume that all "professionals" I deal with mean well and should be treated with respect, even when they are not respectful to some volunteers and are focused on whether I have "done my duty to Scouting in my estate planning." Areas like NE Ohio are a tough stage on which to perform. I have seen membership, with a few trivial exceptions in the late 80s, fall in this area for twenty-eight years. History, eventually, will reach a consensus on the whys and wherefores. I do wish we would try, if only experimentally, what worked before it was abandoned as obsolete when membership was at historic highs, only to see steady declines since - Scouting. There is hope. We have a few unusual units that have clung to the old ways. One took 67 Scouts to their own summer camp in PA a couple of years ago. The next year they bicycled around Lake Erie [clockwise] except for being ferried through Detroit for safety reasons (Asleep at 8:00PM the day I met up with them back in Ohio to observe for District and take pictures). Fifty-nine Scouts finished the trip, and the leaders (Scouts) decided afterwards that they had underestimated the effort required. They had six patrols at their last COH that I attended this Spring, plus troop staff. They tent camp every month as a troop but with separate patrol sites, plus patrol campouts and hikes. I regret that at my age a 90-mile round trip in the dark every week is not practicable, especially in Winter, or I would sign up. In this work, they receive no recognition from Council, Area, Region, or National. They do not lead in percentage "advancing," but I have counseled some on Wilderness Survival, and they are remarkably ready. Philmont next year! Isle Royal the next - if First Class and Swimming MB. I am jealous. Perfect? No. But they know where they are trying to go. Yogi would be impressed: ""You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there."
  7. 2 points
    I like the idea that a uniform tells a scouting story. Quite true... In the Bryan on Scouting post about Congressman Elijah Cummings, there's a bit about how he grew up in a working poor family that could ill-afford to pay for "official" BSA uniforms. The article says... None of the Cub Scouts in Elijah Cummings’ pack could afford a full uniform. So, in true Scouting fashion, they improvised — cobbling together uniform pieces at bargain shops and the local Salvation Army. Some boys bought unofficial iron-on patches and cut out the numbers to iron onto their left sleeves. The picture above “shows the only thing I was able to find, which was a belt,” Cummings told the BET in 2014. “As a matter of fact, that’s a Boy Scout belt, and even though I was in the Cub Scouts then, I was so proud of that belt. As you can see, I wasn’t a fashion guru, but we did the best we could with what we had.” IMHO, many of us can learn a lesson in humility from this.
  8. 2 points
    @SteveMM, full disclosure: our PLC has been "planning" to do inspections for two years. Until that time, I will point out at boards of reviews, SM conferences, and ceremonies about how to look sharp. Since uniform police has become pejorative in some circles, I've told the older scouts to just call me the local insignia dork. I do agree with @ParkMan in that I want the scouts to be intentional about how they present themselves. So, I try to bring up deviations from the Insignia Guide -- including my own -- in a kind and courteous manner. I want the scouts to know there's a balance between a uniform that tells your scouting story and one that distracts from tasks at hand. But, none of that keeps scouts from showing up shoddy. The bottom line to my SPL: if you don't inspect, don't expect. I'm actually quite proud that all of our new patrols have their flags made. I figure my next move is to make a totem for the sharpest looking patrol.
  9. 2 points
    The scouter's camp fire. Pull up a stump and join us.
  10. 2 points
    I get the whole "it's just good he's active and participating. The uniform is just a method" concept. But, I really think Scouts miss out on an important concept about how to present themselves well. To me, that's a big part of what the uniform method is all about.
  11. 2 points
    @RainShine, Even though you didn't say it, I figured your were an SM by the way you asked questions. (... If it talks like a duck ....) To both you and @Treflienne, regarding youth sign-offs, the answer is now is the time to start. The question is how. Here's what we did: We had the first-class scouts and the patrol leaders sit in the circle, and asked them what we should expect from a person who signed off in their book to have seen: An argument that they did this here or that there was not enough. A display of paperwork was not enough. If you saw the scout demonstrate the skill in a "kinda sorta" way they day he was taught, that's not enough. If he did it partly (e.g., found 2 out of 8 controls on a one mile compass course) that's not enough. Some time after he had been taught, if you saw the scout demonstrate the skill completely, smoothly and confidently, then you could sign off. A signature in a book isn't just a check mark, it's a reminder for years to come of all the scouts who walked with that scout on his trail to first class. This took all of 10 minutes. I then asked, "So, you guys ready to help some scouts master their first class skills! We're counting on you, and looking forward to see your initials in some books soon." I then insisted with adult leaders that I did not want to see their signature in a book, nor did they want to see mine. I certainly have returned a book to the youth, saying "I'm sorry, I didn't see you perform that skill. Who among our first class scouts did?" Now there are plenty of times when adults do sign off (conferences and boards of review especially), but we look for those youth signatures on most of the skill requirements.
  12. 2 points
  13. 2 points
    @PACAN you forgot the suggestion to just get in gear and sell more popcorn to make up the difference.
  14. 2 points
    Darn it Steve, you made me laugh so hard that I spewed coffee all over my keyboard and monitor! I kinda feel guilty being critical of any youth's decisions about how to wear his uniform, but I gotta agree with you. That mess really puts the UGH into UGLY.
  15. 2 points
    Well that's a complete nightmare. 😵
  16. 1 point
    So for good news from this weekend. We are a small, one patrol troop. The SM had some serious concerns about the patrol as they were your typical Scouts: having fun, not focused on practicing for the events, etc. But he followed Green Bar Bill's adage: "Train 'em. Trust 'em. LET THEM LEAD!" Over the past 2 months as they prepped, he had some major concerns, and thought he was setting them up to fail. Took all of his self control not to step in. And to his credit he did not interfere. At camporee, our Scouts had no adults following them around events. In fact we saw them only at 2 events the entire weekend: the event our adults were running, and the one right next to us. The success or failure of the weekend was all on them. They came in 3rd overall. And that was with one event they were DQed from for safety issues. They built a catapult at camp, using a shovel as part of the arm instead of some type of basket end. Scouts will surprise you , if you let them.
  17. 1 point
    National Executive Committee and National Executive Board too, but it will probably take Chapter 11 to get it done.
  18. 1 point
    I think 4-H is an example of a youth organization that has done a good job of retooling and managing itself well to meet changing youth and family needs. 4-H also has about 6 million kids with a very similar leader/youth structure to BSA and yet very few reported cases of child abuse. There are problems in every organization -- 4-H isn't perfect either -- but BSA could probably learn something from how they operate.
  19. 1 point
    Ahhhh...now I understand why my el-cheap-o brother had his kids in 4H!
  20. 1 point
    Yeah. I guess it really didn't matter much exactly what I said. It was that I made a big deal about entrusting them with this responsibility. I've had 2nd class scouts work on teaching new scouts (especially one's who didn't come up through Webelos) the Oath, Law, etc ... By the way, our PLC is taking it upon themselves to arrange an evening to get everyone's cyberchip up to date. Now that we have several classes of scouts who understand what a roadblock it can be, they are beginning to help one another move along.
  21. 1 point
    I don't think it's the money. If things were going great, membership was increasing, and volunteers were aplenty, nobody would mind that much. But it's just the opposite. Underlying all the angst is a desire for leadership. Everyone here believes in the program and if something came from national that really helped with membership and volunteers we'd be less grumpy. I'm not sure what the answer is. My gut says it's nothing major, more like focusing on making the message and program more succinct. Adapt training to busy families and a wide range of interest and backgrounds. Have vision.
  22. 1 point
    For us the sticking points were a) patrol identity stuff (name, yell, etc). When a new patrol is formed it takes the patrol collectively a while to reach consensus on a good name. So for a number of our scouts this was the sticking point. (But scouts who joined later had this really easy -- the flag was already made, the current scouts were really enthusiastic about their yell . . .) b) the cyber chip -- scheduling the opporunity to teach other scouts c) the cyber chip -- the contract with one's parents about electronics usage.
  23. 1 point
    Scouters.com - Uniting Scouters Worldwide
  24. 1 point
    What I like about this is that it shows you are enabling your scouts to succeed. You aren't just saying, "OK, these kinds of scouts can sign off." You're giving them some guidance on HOW to do it and what to consider. That's what mentoring is all about.
  25. 1 point
    Last week's news was full of articles about the passing of Maryland Congressman Elijah Cummings, an upstanding, ethical, highly respected legislator. Although I couldn't avoid seeing all the clips about his body lying in state in the US Capitol, or about the myriad accolades extolling his virtues, I did miss any mention of the fact that he was a former scout and a long-time advocate for BSA. That perspective is in a recent Bryan on Scouting post... https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2019/10/29/remembering-rep-elijah-cummings-a-passionate-advocate-for-inner-city-scouting/ Now I feel sad. Scouting needs all the champions it can get these days...
  26. 1 point
    @ParkMan These are all things that have been said on the forums/blogs. Instead of quoting those folks Individually I just wanted to show the wide range of reactions to the fee increase. Clearly the WTH one has the most hits.
  27. 1 point
    A part of me feels like I should be insulted here. I don't see why this list characterizes anyone who isn't appalled by the increase so negatively. I guess by your terms, I'm in the "The look down the nosers ...It's only $5 a month or two cups of coffee, suck it up not knowing the individual financial situation of others or volunteering to pay it for them." As a Cubmaster, Pack Committee Chair, and Troop Committee Chair, I'd literally spend an hour every time it was discussed whether it was too much of a hardship to raise our annual dues by $5. I'm remarkably aware that many families struggle to pay for lots of things. We'd tighten the belt at every turn in Scouting. I don't want to pay more for things than I have to, but I recognize that the BSA needs the money to pay for the insurance. I'm sure if they could reduce it they would. So, what am I to do? Ranting about it isn't going to amount to a hill of beans. All it really does it get everyone riled up about this. This whole thing often feels a lot like: Yesterday I paid $54 to fill up my gas tank. The yearbook my daughter just bought at her high school cost $70. I spent $7 on lunch at the drive through today. So, yeah - I find it hard to declare in increase of $2.25 a month the end of the world.
  28. 1 point
    Troop I grew up in made their own shirts. We had a silk screen made, and used it every year. Each year was a different color shirt and ink. Got them at the Christmas COH/ party. It was way cheaper making your own.
  29. 1 point
    @5thGenTexan, though it may look a bit odd, I hit the "thanks" button to show my gratitude and respect for all you're doing for scouting. As a rural scouter myself, I believe there are more leaders in circumstances similar to yours than the BSA recognizes. Especially in rural areas, where there are limited numbers of adults who could or should work with scouts. Often the rural leaders do double and triple duty, and must put up with long-term dysfunctional circumstances simply because there are no other options. This can be very draining on a number of levels. My recommendation is a frank talk with all of the adults. Here's what I'm observing/experiencing, here's the impact it's having on the unit and me personally, and close with an "I" message (your expectations going forward, your plans to possibly step down, etc.). If the others can't or won't respect that, then stepping down may be the best thing for you and your family. "Is the juice worth the squeeze?" My personal experience: I've stayed the course and "never say die" many times during my professional life and volunteer experiences. But there is a line. I've crossed that line several times to the detriment of my family and myself. You'll know when and where that line is. Again, my respects and thanks to you! Best wishes and please let us know how it goes.
  30. 1 point
    Honestly, who really cares if you can't spot your scouts in a crowd? If they get swapped for some other scout, you might get a better cook! All of that lettering on the back of the shirt? It gets covered by a backpack anyway. I've become a real fan of troop/patrol neckerchiefs. It's a tough sell, but frankly a lot easier to manage. Our camp produced a neckerchief with a map on it.
  31. 1 point
    It takes about a month. Most of Scout rank is for the scout to learn basic scouting things like the Law, the Motto, the Outdoor Code, the Patrol Method, etc., and to be able to explain these things. Scouts who are gung-ho can read the Scout Handbook and knock these things out in an evening (assuming they can get the attention of someone to sign him off). Two requirements seem to be speed bumps for a scout working on Scout rank: * 3b. For a new scout patrol, the patrol members need to get together and talk about who they want to be. They need to pick a patrol name, decide on an emblem (patch), come up with a yell, and make a flag. This generally does not happen immediately, though we'll try to set aside time for the boys to do it within their first month or so. * 6: There's 2 parts to this:1) the "Protecting from Abuse" pamphlet and 2) the Cyber Chip. As a troop, we do a Cyber Chip class in which we watch the NetSmartz videos, have roundtable discussions, and do a learning activitiy, so Cyber Chip isn't the speed bump in our troop. But we expect parents to help the boys complete the requirement, parents and scouts together need to look at that pamphlet, discuss how it applies in their family, mom and dad should help the scout work through the exercises, etc. As an ASM, I'll ask the boys if they looked at the pamphlet, talked to their parents, and did the activities. I will raise a couple of light questions about bullying or neighborhood safety, but just to make sure the boys do look at it and/or talk to their parents about it. It surprises me how many scouts drag their feet on getting this signed off because they haven't read the pamphlet and their parents haven't discussed the personal safety issues with them. Other troops might do it faster if they are proactive about discussing the abuse pamphlet. I'd be interested to hear experiences from others who have helped young scouts earn their Scout rank.
  32. 1 point
    Perhaps a bigger question- who in your troop signs on requirements? For us, we want any scout that is Star/Life/Eagle signing off on anything up to First Class requirements. Adults are a last resort for most requirements.
  33. 1 point
    ummmm, no. Sea Scouts started in 1912.
  34. 1 point
    Sort of the same thing our district did for the winter event. Leaders manned the events, Scouts wandered about camp going (or not) to the stations. Our troop leaders would man the event, basically describe the station, then let the various troops patrols figure it out. We never sent anyone around with the Scouts, figured they had a map, off they go. Usually they came back to the site, especially when it got dark and cold.
  35. 1 point
    I have not read all seven articles but what I have read is well researched and considered. The link below has links to those articles and the references used. https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/news/research-compiled-in-the-boy-scout-series-in-indian-country-today-jHVohLu1TEyc1jdf4jqn0A/ P.S. a scouter.com topic is one of references listed.
  36. 1 point
    My ideal camp would be for each PATROL in a troop to have the option of designing their own program. NSP gets scoutcraft, maybe makes a bridge, tower, maybe works on advancement, special training in cooking on wood fires, whatever the boys want to do. Older boys want whitewater canoeing this year, maybe rock climbing next year and shooting sports the third year or maybe they'll just fish all week. If there be a patrol of older boys that just want to come to camp to sit and enjoy the out-of-doors for a week, jaw-jack around the campfire and stay out of trouble! What's the harm? Maybe they might want to take on a camp service project if they get too bored. Dump the mess hall. All patrols are supported by a commissary and they pick their menus for the week like they pick their MB's today. If they want pancakes every morning. So be it. If they want steak every night, so be it. Cost of the meals is known when they sign up and adjusted accordingly. The price of camp varies according to the menu chosen. PORs function as PORs - SPL works with camp staff to make sure the patrols get what they need. If he needs more help, the ASPL is there. QM is the go to guy for camp equipment and commissary supplies for anything the patrols may need. Whereas it doesn't sound like much fun to be in these positions, taking on responsibility for the welfare of others isn't always fun and games. Camp staff is responsible for programming in leadership development for the PORs when they are not attending to their patrol support activities. Or maybe they, too, could be doing worthwhile camp service projects of their own choosing. Nothing against MattR, but maybe he's asking the wrong person, he needs to be asking the scouts what they want for a summer camp experience. For me personally???? I would love to be dropped off someplace in a national forest, have 5 days of goods cached around the area a day's hike apart and I need to survive from one cache to the next finally exiting at a pre-designated area. No GPS, just map and compass. I would need to record my trek with camera and journal indicating all wildlife and flora I came across. Stosh
  37. 1 point
    I like 441's approach. What can Summer Camp offer that will fill a boy's dreams until next year? Take an HA area and create 3 or 4 levels for boys to move up through. Examples: Shooting; 1- .22 rifle, 2- .223 AR 15, 3- Pistol, 4- High power scoped hunting rifle. Primitive Weapons: 1- Slingshot, 2- Recurve Bow, 3- Spear, knife and tomahawk, 4- Blackpowder rifle and pistol, 5- Trebuchet Climbing: 1- Rappelling, 2- Top-roping, 3- Leading, 4 Teaching. Build it based on "What would this boy like to do next to logically build on his adventure?" Require successful completion of the lower levels in order to participate in the higher. It may take a boy more than one summer to achieve those goals, but that keeps him wanting to come back, and talking it up to his mates!
  38. 1 point
    My unit has been selling trees for about a dozen years now. This goes into a troop fund earned by the scouts that participate. Then they can use it to offset summer camp,or ski trip, or what ever scout activity they choose. Several units in my area sell trees.
  39. 1 point
    To piggy back ontu your selling trees fundraiser why dont you offer the service of picking them up and having them recycled? Our area has done it for over 25 years now.
  40. 1 point
    Our troop has come across a great fundraiser - low cost - high profit - very low (pester the neighbors and family) annoyance factor - WATER! yup - plain old bottles of drinking water - the 16 oz size. We buy them from Sam's club (tax exempt, too!) at about $.17 each and sell them for $1 each at fairs, parades, community events. Anything we don't sell is easy to store and non-perishable. (and even if the boys drink some of the profits, it doesn't matter! - we're still way ahead!) We usually freeze about half the bottles (yup - frozen solid) because it keeps the others cold, and we've found that on a hot, humid day, people love to carry around a big ice cube! it melts really fast, and people find it cools them down - we see people walking around with these pressed against heads, inside their arms, on the back of their necks. We now have people looking for our Troop at community events. Our most recent event was a parade in town - 12 - 2:30 - we bought 24 cases for about $140 and collected over $800. - and we were sold out in the first 1 1/2 hours! hey - that's about $300 bucks an hour - I think I'm changing careers.......
  41. 1 point
    My troop has recently put together and had a cookbook published! It has over 250 recipes and is really great! If anyone is interested in purchasing one please e-mail us at troop734@aol.com. The cost is $7.00 plus $2.00 for shipping. It's really great so don't miss out! Thanks!
  42. 1 point
    Hi. We are going to ry something new this year to help us out. We have gotten together with our local mall and we are planning to help out with the taking pictures with Santa Claus. We provide the Santa (the mall lets us use a suit), the picture taker and the camera/film and we get to keep all but 10% for ourselves. We are hoping to make up some of the difference on what we dont make on popcorn sales. We have 23 boys in the pack and Popcorn doesn't do very well in our town. We also don't collect dues, so the Pack is always tight on funds.
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