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  1. 3 points
    I you decide to hold a committee meeting, invite only those who absolutely have to be involved. The more people involved, the more complex the discussion becomes. I don't agree with not inviting anyone outside the unit. If this situation was easy, you wouldn't be asking faceless keyboard jockeys for advice. My experience is that folks in general will make a wrong decision simply because they don't want to face conflict. District and council have monitored and dealt with many of these situations. How many has your unit handled? Things may have changed or you area is different, but my experience is that district and council policy is stand back and let the unit make the decisions, so the unit is held responsible for the decisions. However, if you don't know any of the outside members enough to trust them, then go back to my first point, keep the meeting participants to an absolute minimum. Barry
  2. 3 points
    Concur. The chartered partner has every right to protect its good name. Pin addition, I’m certain in a lot of states, this is an outright violation of the law, AND a reportable youth protection event.
  3. 3 points
    Because the scout is accused of possessing and using marijuana on the Chartered Organization's property, I think it is absolutely necessary to inform the COR (even if this means that the investigation and decision making process might be taken out of the hands of the unit leadership).
  4. 2 points
    I reread your post a couple times to make sure I understood the facts as you're reporting them. I definitely think you should hold a committee meeting, and you're within your rights to suspend the scout if that's what you as CC want and/or if that's what your committee reaches a consensus about. I would add some cautionary notes for you. First, I would be leery about involving anyone outside the unit until you have decided as a unit what you want to do. Because if you do involve outsiders than you may lose control over the situation and end up being forced to do something that is counter to what the troop leadership wants to do, and this could go either way, the troop may want to be more punitive or the troop may want to be more lenient in its reaction than what a DE or UC or Council would want. I would note that the Chartering Org is not outside the unit, and I leave it to you to decide if this is something they would feel strongly about being a part of the decision making. The reason I caution about going outside is because you have somewhat shakier facts than you may believe. You have an accusation from one parent that they saw this scout smoking pot. What exactly did they see? How much of what they reported was direct evidence and how much was a conclusion arrived at from some things that may have been more equivocal? Second you have what's called hearsay. You can fully believe that he told the younger scouts that he had THC and stole from the trading post, but that's not the same as knowing that he had THC or stole; it might well be braggadocio on his part and both things could just be made up. That doesn't at all make it OK, and saying those things is sufficiently unscoutlike and worthy of punishment in and of themselves. I'm not at all down playing them. But it's because of some of the ambiguity of what exactly you know that I would say handle this in the troop first and only go outside if you can't resolve it within the troop and believe that outside intervention is necessary for the sake of the troop's cohesion.
  5. 2 points
    That's an ad hominem attack. Unless you think that the typical journalist is a specialist of all knowledge or never make mistakes. I'd expect most forum members here to be more knowledgeable about Scouting than the average Journalist. Good on the post for writing about Scouts, but details matter. If a journalist makes a claim and get it wrong, it does cast some doubt on the quality of their journalism. Especially in today's mad scramble to be first to publish, issue retractions or corrections later... maybe. I don't have time to listen to the whole podcast right now while at work, but the summary states 110 years ago. However ,the publishing date was May 2018. There are two generally accepted dates of the birth of the Scouting Movement. 1907 the year BP first did his Brownsea camp, or 1908, when he published Scouting for Boys. Given that the article was published 110 years after 1908, I'll grant it as correct, and kudos to the Post for writing about it.) Tahawk, in his rush to jab the Post, didn't look at what year the article was written, merely the year it was posted here. 😋
  6. 2 points
    Sure. The 24/7 thing applies for some things, but not for others. Exactly where it applies is a source of constant disagreement between scouters both on this forum and in the real world. As a practical matter, most unit leaders don't want to take on the roles of police/lawyers/courts. We don't want our committee meetings to turn into a courtroom drama. We leave that sort of thing to the professionals. I would not penalize the family for volunteering information about the drug testing. While it is not a privileged conversation, penalizing the family would discourage others from engaging in open and frank conversations in the future.
  7. 2 points
    I was a Rifle Instructor at a Council camp. We had a scout who was autistic. He had a leader from his troop that came with him and helped him shoot. He didn't get the badge because his accuracy wasn't enough to complete the badge, but his leader and I made sure he had fun and the other Scouts were safe.
  8. 1 point
    Sea Scouts, BSA was established in 1912 as the second program of the Boy Scouts of America to offer new adventures for older Scouts. The 1912 logbook of the Boy Scout Ship Pioneer, recognized as the first Sea Scout Ship, has the first documented evidence of the birthday of Sea Scouts. The Logbook states that the first cruise was on July 9, 1912. The Pioneer took on crew, set sail, anchored, and immediately conducted small boat drills. This easily could have a been a Sea Scout cruise in the 21st Century, demonstrating our core activities are timeless. We’ve come a long way since that first cruise but one thing is certain ... the best has yet to come! Happy Birthday Sea Scouts! #SeaScoutDay
  9. 1 point
    A few other key points ... Involving others can trigger things beyond your control. You may or may not need to do this, but be warned. Things can take a life of their own. Does the kid want to be a scout? Parents often push scouts to try to offset other behavior issues. Sometimes youth are interested in exploring the darker side of life (drugs, alcohol, theft, etc). If so, their interests are not compatible with scouting. Period. Suspending does not have to have a time limit. In this case, a time limit serves no purpose. The real need is for the youth to lose the interest in drugs and want to be a scout. I would simply in as friendly a way as possible say ... The path you are choosing is not compatible with scouts. We want to support you as we can, but at this point your interests are not compatible with scouting or our troop. You are welcome to come back if you change your ways. But until then, it is best if you find somewhere else to spend your time. "If it were me" ... if a scout brought pot to a meeting (even if outside) ... and that scout had other dark behaviors too ... then I'd remove the scout. Period. If they want back, I'd consider it through conversation with him and my view if he really was changing his path. Watch out for people saying "if any kid needs scouting, that kid needs scouting". The kid might, but at what cost. Other scouts? More incidents? Killing recruitment for five to ten years. From my experience, our troop has always been worse off going with reasoning of "if any kid needs scouting, that kid needs scouting." If he stays in scouting, you are accepting responsibility to protect others. You know he's a risk and will introduce other bad habits to the troop. Do you really accept that risk? BIGGEST POINT ... You will lose good kids and you will scare away families if you don't handle this and handle it now. You already lost one kid from summer camp. Your troop could earn a label as having troubled scouts and new families will avoid your troop because of it. Bad behavior needs to be dealt with immediately. Especially if it is a pattern of bad behavior.
  10. 1 point
    We count that. Our pack organizes our attendance at Day camp. Collecting registration information, payments, ensures we have adequate adult:youth ratios, sends in registration.
  11. 1 point
    This isn't something you are going to get answered from a web forum. You'll want to engage your District Executive and a Unit Commissioner if you have one. I'm not sure what you were told when you took on your role as Committee Chair, but here is the job description from the BSA. https://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Troop_Committee_Chair. While not a BSA publication, it cites the Troop Committee Guidebook, which is an official publication of the BSA. My own thoughts: I'm a big proponent of Scouts being in charge and leading themselves. Still, the role of adults is to establish what the rules are and to define proper conduct. Bullying, hazing, or substance use isn't something where "the Scouts get to lead." I'll often allow my senior Scouts to resolve low grade bullying issues, but I'll be present and consulted. More serious bullying issues, hazing or substance use issues are going to be handled by adults. What's the point of all this if we don't hold Scouts to acting like Scouts outside of the troop meetings and outings? Isn't the whole point of this to help them develop into better adults for their whole lives? If we're ignoring Scouts conduct outside of Scouts, why are we going through this whole process? The point of all this isn't just that we teach them to be good Scouts while at Scouting events, but that we support all the other positive influences in their lives to help them be better individuals in their whole lives. If a Scout is having run in with authority figures, whether school, parents or the legal system, if I'm a SM or CC I would want to know. The adult leadership of the troop should advise what they believe the troop's responsibility is to it's members regarding that Scout. There are varying levels of grey zone here. Ultimately the Scoutmaster and Committee Chair need to decide what they want to do, and the chartering organization through it's Chartered Organization Representative might have an opinion. I don't like to speculate about these specific situations, because I don't know enough about the situation to be helpful, but I'll outline a few more thoughts: The Committee Chair is the ultimate volunteer in a Scout Troop. They are responsible for the entire Troop. The Scoutmaster is responsible for supervision of the youth and program, but the Committee Chair is supposed to oversee the Scoutmaster. Typically this is a less formal and more cooperative relationship. If other Scouts feel threatened by this Scout, combined with the drug usage, that's a serious problem. Most Scouts don't want to rock the boat and go to adults, so if you're hearing this, you should take it seriously. This isn't something you have the Committee vote on. This is something where you as the Committee Chair gather facts from all the relevant parties, and present your plan to the Committee. They can give their two cents if they'd like, but you aren't under any obligation to follow anybody's opinion's. As Committee Chair, you are responsible for the welfare of your Scouts, the future of your Troop, and the reputation of your Chartered Organization. The Committee is there to advise you and handle duties you've delegated to them. It's nice and beneficial to have consensus on tough decisions, but good leadership does what is right for the group, not blow around fecklessly to the winds of popular opinion. Trouble Scout is still one of your Scout's, so you should try to partner with his family to support what efforts they are making to correct his behavior. If they are not willing or unable to correct his behavior you are faced with suspending him until they figure it out. Sounds like your unit has a lot of folks trying to be in charge of this situation. As I and others have said, you'll want to engage your District Executive and Unit Commissioner for support, and potentially your unit's Chartered Organization Representative.
  12. 1 point
    Without delving into details ... The boy needs to be suspended from the troop. It sounds like he does not want to be a scout (a scout is trustworthy, ... obedient, ... clean). Give him three to six months of not being one. Then he can call if he wants back in. That is how you offer a second chance. Note, I have learned from this forum that some councils want their DE's to be informed of suspended scouts. So, let your DE know what you're planning to do. They may be able to provide the mom with some helpful resources.
  13. 1 point
    I think the more scary issue for me is the Judge basically let the whole thing off cause this kid was from a "good family" about to go to a "good school" and also being an Eagle Scout. Here you have the victim having to deal with this and the kid is given a slap on the wrist. This is a stain on our justice system in this county. The character of the individual should not be a reason to get a person off, it should be the facts of the case (in this case a video that was sent around and also langue of the texts from the individual) I am glad to see the judge is no longer on the bench and the Appeals Court has sent this back down to a grand jury to review this for the appropriate next steps. The judge was wrong in his responsibilities. There is no win in this situation, it is just a loose loose situation for everyone. It is examples like this case that reinforces myself to strive to teach our scouts the skills our program teaches. Ethics, citizenship, leadership and others must be taught to prevent these types of travesties within our government institutions.
  14. 1 point
    I know some counselors have rubber stamps with their name, address, phone on them. Some counselors also print info on stickers. Avery makes labels in dozens of sizes and styles. There are templates that can be downloaded for many of these, and they're easy to modify in Word or other apps to handle specific things (like list of requirements done, appropriately spaced for the lines on a blue card). I do like perdidochas' suggestion to let scouts fill in most of it....that works well for me most of the time. The only really bad solution I've experienced is Scoutbook sending me (the MBC) an invite to access some scout's advancement record....especially when he's never even bothered to contact me first to chat about what he's doing. IMHO, Inconvenient and gratuitous use of technology is not a step forward. Seems to me like Scoutbook's developers never actually observed MBCs or real scouts to see how "the process" works in real life...
  15. 1 point
    I'm all for safety, and anytime a range safety officer (RSO) feels they aren't equipped to meet necessary safety standards, they should indeed cease operations or limit a Scout's participation. However, this sentence in particular is especially troubling. "And he said that, 'Well he's not going to shoot on my range. We've had problems in the past with kids like that,'" James said. The RSO's concern was not based on anything this particular Scout did, but on the Scouter's prior experience with "those type of kids". That's a problem.
  16. 1 point
    Give the Scouts the Blue cards and have them fill them out before summer camp--in this process you can have the older boys teach them about what needs to be filled out--we had a handwritten template on a bulletin board in our scout hut for the scouts to follow. Never do what a Scout can do for himself. Give out the blue cards before summer camp. Have them fill out the information about themselves.
  17. 1 point
    Transportation and trees have recently been topics of discussion here and affected the Scouting family. Before your next trip or outing, take a few minutes and review these with your peers and youth leadership. Hazard Trees: https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/safety-moments/hazard-trees/ Transportation Safety Shorts: https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/safety-moments/transportation-safety-shorts/ RichardB
  18. 0 points
    Eagle Scout Ross Perot, businessman, and two time presidential candidate has passed away. He was 89 https://www.foxbusiness.com/business-leaders/billionaire-ross-perot-dead-at-89 Perot joined the Boy Scouts of America and made Eagle Scout in 1942, after 13 months in the program. He was a recipient of the Distinguished Eagle Scout Award
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