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  1. 4 points
    BSA also has policies in place about the mixing of males & females in Dens, Packs & Troops, but many here have no problem talking about how they work around those policies, often with an under the table "wink, wink" from the DE, SE or other BSA representatives. So BSA policies have become like employee handbooks. Basically, these are the rules. But some of them we let you break, some of them we don't. You won't know which ones are ok to break until we want to enforce them, even if another Council is ok not to enforce them. Then, we may terminate you (revoke your membership), or we may tell you that your doing great by getting more Scouts signed up. When BSA gets lax on enforcing some policies, they lose credibility at enforcing other policies, too.
  2. 2 points
    Answering your last question first. Encourage your SM to never operate as Webelos 3. They are scouts from day 1. If they don't understand what that means, they learn it. (That's why Scout is now considered a rank.) That does not mean the girls are ready to solo in a wilderness recreation area on day 1. That does mean they get into habits of thinking for themselves. Electing a PL. Coming up with a name, yell, flag, etc ... on their own and within a month of starting. Map out camp sites commensurate with their skills. Have them think about what they'd like to do when. They plan their own menus, track their own fitness, etc ... As a CC, those are the benchmarks that what you'll want to hear from the SM. You want your committee to be meeting these girls in boards of review and hearing how they feel about their progress and their troop. Leadership development starts now. Do not squander it by letting an overprotective adult take the reigns. But listen to what the youth are telling your committee. If they hate camp cards, drop them and tell them you'll do your best to support them in whatever fundraiser they want to try. If one of them has an idea for something cool, encourage them to speak up in their patrol. Encourage the youth to listen to one another. For ASMs, you will need to recruit women of the utmost integrity. That's the best thing you can do as CC. It is the hardest thing to do because you want to encourage adults, but you also want to be selective at the same time. The other thing you will want to do is find out who has property in their family that may be suitable for camping. Do those two things right and your job as CC will be fun and rewarding.
  3. 2 points
    That's the problem, many adults don't separate the difference in the group. Have you ever observed a patrol of adults standing in formation next to an unfocused Patrol? The adults can't helped themselves in showing their irritation. More often than not they will act on that irritation instead of waiting for the youth leaders to act. The adults belong to the troop, the scouts belong to the patrol. Youth behave differently with the judgmental adults in their space. We want scouts to behave from their character, not from adult intimidation. I am amazed at the number adults who sign up to be scout leaders so they can experience the youth part (patrol method) of scouting. I found getting them to imagine themselves as mentors waiting patiently in the shadows for the scouts to approach them somewhat challenging. They wanted to play boy scout with their sons. Our adults don't march with the scouts to assembly or activities, they either arrive earlier or later. They don't stand where the scouts can view them, but behind or away. Our adults never raise the scout sign before the scouts, instead they wait for the youth leader. The adults are just passive resources waiting for the scouts make a request of them. Barry
  4. 2 points
    BSA should really get with the times. Aside from the uniformed police officer, we have 4 other people at our public middle school who carry concealed weapons for the protection of the students. The uniformed officer knows who they are. So does the administration and the school board. Nobody else needs to know. By the way, I'm not one of them. I'm a klutz. I would probably blow my fool head off.
  5. 2 points
    Which is more important: 1- The physical well-being of someone in my care, should the need arise for a firearm in the backwoods. 2- My continued membership in BSA. If I lost someone or someone became injured due to a wild animal or wild humans, I would not deserve to continue as their leader/protector. BSA rules are what's irrelevant, and written by lawyers with an eye towards liability. No scout ever knew that I carried, my pack was just a little heavier.
  6. 1 point
    Still, we as Scouters will follow the rules even if others have not. We praise and remember scouts by name in this public forum but not criticize them and certainly not vilify them. Praise in public, criticize in private where criticism is constructive. @John-in-KC @NJCubScouter @MattR @desertrat77
  7. 1 point
    And yet again, you imply less than honorable motivations behind her actions. This isn't about agreeing to disagree, this about not disparaging a scout and a minor. To quote our Moderator, "we don't do that." We can discuss the proper course of action without dragging in assumptions about her motivations. AND, I am sure I have stated that more than once as well.
  8. 1 point
    I wouldn't be a leader for your Troop, sorry to say. That said, it's not as bad as the situation in the OP. At least it's a standard policy and the scouts are aware of it.
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  10. 1 point
    First, her dad is making this about him. I haven't read a recent statement from Mrs. Ireland. I agree with @willray in that it doesn't matter how badly the wheel (or it's parent) squeaks if the tire is flat. @Hawkwin, we have discussed this before. You have created a false dichotomy. Prior to Feb 1, 2019 BSA permitted young men from foreign WOSM organizations to start rank advancement at a level commensurate with their skills. However, if that scout had joined his WOSM troop just a month before coming to the US, he could only at most be accorded Tenderfoot. After Feb 1, BSA would also permit a young women from her foreign WOSM organization to start advancement based on the work done in her own country since Feb 1. If BSA is insisting that retroactive advancement does not apply to girls. It does not apply to them if the scout is a citizen from another country who recently arrived in the USA, and it certainly does not apply to a young woman from the USA who joined a another WOSM organization to advance in their ranks. It's just not a loophole if BSA says the clock starts on a particular date for a particular group of scouts.
  11. 1 point
    The editor is using the second, figurative, meaning for scuttle (v): "to totally destroy." The trip was scuttled in the sense that the fire made a wreck of their plans for the trip. Of course, it might be to the scouts' advantage if somebody makes a large donation because he/she misses the play on words and thinks the boat is at the bottom of the bay with a large hole in it.
  12. 1 point
    Official Guide to Uniform says adults do not wear patrol patches. If you attend Woodbadge, you would have your critter patrol patch to wear, which many leave on their shirts afterwords. I've also seen adults create their own unofficial patrol and wear patches, like "Old Goats", "Coffee Patrol", etc. But I would not wear a matching patrol patch to a youth Scout, you are not in their patrol.
  13. 1 point
    Guess I'd just say that some rules (like boys vs. girls in a den) is one thing. Don't bring a gun to a scouting event is another. I find myself in the weird position of feeling like I'm defending the BSA here. Feels to me that we want the BSA to enforce rules we like and then look the other way on rules we don't. Then when we get into a discussion about rules we then criticize the BSA and say they are inconsistent. Guess I'm just reminded that we're talking about a youth organization. They are not going to kick people out for mixing den or breaking some advancement rules. But, start bringing a gun to a den meeting and have a parent report that to council and I expect you'll see a different response.
  14. 1 point
    Here's the process I suggested in that other thread for conducting a search: - two adults approach the scout and tell the Scout they have a reason to search the scout' s belongings - if the Scout objects, an immediate call is made to the parent and the scout goes home. - if the Scout agrees to the search, it is done in full visibility of the Scout. Any items confiscated are jointly acknowledged. - items are returned after the event. - if something is found of grave consequence a phone call is made to the parents and the scout goes home. This seems to me to be a very appropriate way to handle this. Scoutmaster absolutely have the right to request a search. The Scout either accepts or declines the search. If the Scout declines, then he goes home. No one is forced to do anything. The Scout in turn learns a very orderly process for how adults would deal with each other.
  15. 1 point
    Due to the way they are made; the costs, the fabrics, the cut; not sure they are trying to kill it...however....as with many things in the Boys Scouts of America program....whomever is making the decisions (the uniforms in this case) is not really connected to the actual user of the uniforms. For example, why not a fabric like the Columbia PFG shirt. Those are literally designed to be breathable, designed to be short and long sleeve, etc etc. Even on the "Official BSA activity shirts, those are costly. Our troop gets the A4 dri-fit shirts each summer. With 2 logos (front chest and full back) they run about $11 each. That is for a small run of maybe 100. Get better gear and people will buy and wear it.
  16. 1 point
    So that's 13 or 14 states out of 50 where it's illegal? If that's the case, then yeah, it's legal in most states. Not taking a position on the other argument, which is whether it's advisable... If you're in a state where you are doing it legally, then the BSA can't have you arrested for violating BSA policy on the matter; they CAN, however, revoke your membership, if they want to. Maybe that's a risk worth taking in certain situations, maybe it isn't. Not going to articulate an opinion on that one.
  17. 1 point
    My two cents on the topic. Chartered Partner asserts its ownership of the unit with a written mandate to Scouts and Scouters alike: We will follow BSA policies of no weapons, alcohol, tobacco , vaping materials etc may be possessed by any Scout or Scouter at Boy Scout Reservations We will follow Camp Whodunit, BSAs policy of an adult supervising administration of medications . Four adults, to provide two pair of two deep leadership, will hold and supervise dispensing of meds per the Scout’s daily schedule. The leaders of Troop 123 will load for camp the night before departure. During loading, each Scout and Scouters camp box or backpack will be thoroughly checked for unauthorized/illegal materials. This include the handover of medications and dispensing times to leadership. Materials found will be given to the parents, but the The consequence for possessing the materials above is Parent pick up of their youth at camp, termination of the youths membership, notification of the local council under applicable child abuse law, and handover of the youths’ records in Troop 123 to the family
  18. 1 point
    I see your C3-P0 quote and raise you
  19. 1 point
    Never carried on a scout outing. I know of one time (as a scout) that I WISH a leader had a weapon of some sort. I usually don't have one on a private campout either. I have w/ a rifle when I'm going "plinking" in an approved BLM area. If I was going to do a long hike away from civilization (i.e. a partial or thru of the PCT) - I would likely have a handgun and CCW (or carry exposed - which is now illegal in the great socialist state of CA too). I don't care WHAT the state / federal parks OR California says about me needing to having a CCW permit at that point. Its about personal protection from both man and beast when I would be several days from rescue. As a 15y/o and on a 8 day trek at northern tier. Night #3, we had a momma and cub come into camp and the cub climbed the tree we had the food pack strung from. Campsite was on a peninsula out into the lake, no place to go but try to canoe out into the lake at night. We had to strike up the fire and used rocks to "encourage" baby bear to get out of the tree and leave our food pack alone. Then kept fire going all night and took turns in two man teams standing guard. If those animals had gotten our food, we were a minimum of 3 days away from any replentishment stop, with 7 scouts and 2 adults to feed. With a firearm, the actions would have probably been the same. However, I remember wishing someone had a gun... maybe just wishful thinking, but I'd still like my chances better at surviving a bear attack with a gun than sans a firearm. I have camped many times in Anza Borrego State Park in San Diego county. Have hiked into remote spots that require filtering of water resupply via small oasis or intermitent standing water in slot canyons. I have seen on more than one occasion fresh mountain lion tracks around these watering holes. Now, the chances of an encounter, much less attack, are extremely slim especially in daylight hours. But again, if you had to fight for your life - would you rather with a gun, a knife, or bare handed? I have never had any reason to fear my fellow man on a campout. Wildlife, maybe? I do find it somewhat humorous that in less than 3 to 4 generations, we have gone from an attitude of "Why wouldn't you take a firearm with you into the wilderness" to one of "Why would you ever need / want to take a firearm into the wilderness?" Seems 50 to 100 years ago, if you went out on a long trek and DIDN'T have a firearm, you would be viewed as careless in your choice - now its the opposite. The wilderness hasn't changed, so I assume its the citizenry that has.
  20. 0 points
    An 11-year-old Girl Scout was killed when a tree fell in a "freak accident" at an Indiana campground on Monday, officials said. A 10-year-old girl and two women were also injured in the incident. The Perry County Sheriff's Office said it received a call at around 11:30 a.m. local time about a tree that had fallen on several campers and volunteers at Camp Koch, the Girl Scouts of Southwest Indiana's resident camp facility, nestled along the Ohio River near the small city of Cannelton. https://abcnews.go.com/US/fallen-tree-kills-girl-scout-injures-indianas-camp/story?id=63925808
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