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    My default answer is maybe.....Here's what I believe the requirement states (from https://oa-bsa.org/about/membership): Have experienced 15 nights of camping while registered with a troop, crew, or ship within the two years immediately prior to the election. The 15 nights must include one, but no more than one, long-term camp consisting of at least five consecutive nights of overnight camping, approved and under the auspices and standards of the Boy Scouts of America. Only five nights of the long-term camp may be credited toward the 15-night camping requirement; the balance of the camping (10 nights) must be overnight, weekend, or other short-term camps of, at most, three nights each. Ship nights may be counted as camping for Sea Scouts. Now, beyond the fact the final clause could be interpreted to mean any camping is acceptable for the 10 nights, (it specifically doesn't say BSA), the Cub family camp is clearly BSA. My decision point would be this, if they were along to help with the camp out, putting on an event, cooking, even participating/being an example to the Cubs, I'd be inclined to say yes they count. If they were drug along by mom and/or dad and spent the weekend playing on their phones, I'd say no.
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    Gold = Command Blue = Sciences Red = Engineering & Security. Also "first person killed on an away team mission"
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    Been looking to form an honor guard for parades and courts of honor. Been looking at getting some old BSA issue leggings. Saw the discussion on spats and leggings. Regardless of "Uniform Police" comments posted, you have to admit, these kids look pretty squared away. I don't see anything wrong with it.
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    And look at that, it has the American flag over the pocket, not on the shoulder. At least this way there are no arguments about whether the flag is "backwards" or not. I realize that doesn't help you very much, but I am sure someone around here will be experienced in the ways of memorabilia display, which I am not.
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    I put together a 1910 BSA field uniform for the Centennial Jamboree and for the spring and fall camporees which can be be in quite "chilly" temperatures (yes, we have had snow at the camporees), I still wear the uniform. Long wool underwear, wool socks, pants and leggings. The shirt is wool as is the tunic, The campaign hat is wool felt. Never get cold all weekend long. There's a reason why BSA had that uniform originally. We're the only troop I have ever met that has the full square neckers. They are large as well, hang beyond the belt on the smaller guys. To the belt or a bit above on adults.
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    I wish the uniforms looked like that now honestly.
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    I kinda like the community strips, more information than trying to memorize a ton of troop numbers and where they are from. BTW, 1910 uniform with appropriate hat/collar brass and BSA buttons. Finding a community strip for the 1960 uniform was a piece of cake, buttons? they're a whole different ballgame. If one were to look closely at the equipment, it too is historically correct right down to the tent pegs.
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    I've been able to use E-Bay for my source of vintage stuff, but I've looked for years and some stuff never comes up. I got lucky on the community strip. I got it off of E-Bay only to find out it was being sold by a scouter a few miles away. Go to old clothing stores and antique shops, the vintage uniforms are there and the one-size-fits all community strip is often just down the street.
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    This gentleman was one of my Eagle scouts. The uniform he is wearing is the same one he did his Eagle project in. It's the same uniform he wore every week to meetings. As you can tell from the insignia and Eagle knot he was at the time my ASM. He went and got appropriate 1960's ASM patch when he aged out. He had a difficult time, but he did find the community strip, too. Any historic uniform is a valid BSA uniform, but one must make sure the insignia is historic as well.
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    By the way, does anyone have a picture of a Norman Rockwell painting of a scout in anything other than a field uniform? Stosh
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    I'm sure the Marine Corps soldier that has to dress up in his/her dress blues isn't happy or proud about it either. Those wool coats must be a bear in warm weather. I'm also certain those police officers who have to wear body armor and dark blue uniforms must complain all the time too. And what idiot robs a bank in the middle of July wearing a ski mask for crying out loud. Some people just don't care what they wear as long as it's personally comfortable. A uniform is optional, so knock yourself out all those who find it objectionable in some way. But then don't be surprised when someone mistakenly assumes you to be a parent or spouse of a scouter at a scout function. I once thought I was misidentified while wearing a scout uniform. My girlfriend and I were having dinner at a Chinese buffet and when I was finished I asked for my bill because it wasn't coming quickly and I had to get to a scout meeting. The waitress told me someone had picked up the tab. She indicated a young couple a few booths away that had two small kids. (one infant, one toddler). I went over there and told them I wasn't a military soldier and that because of that mistake I would like to pay for my girlfriend and my dinners. The young man stood up, shook my hand and smiled saying. I know you are a scoutmaster and I appreciate all you do for the youth in our community. I was kinda surprised. Well, I don't expect that to ever happen again, but surely just the uniform kept me from being invisible in that situation. I have had others stop by and thank me as well, without picking up the tab for dinner. I had a situation this past summer that was quite similar. I got a flat tire on my car while on vacation. I pulled over and a pickup truck pulled in behind me. The driver got out and said he noticed I had a flat and then proceeded to change it. (I must look like I'm a senior citizen... oh, yes, I am) I offered to pay him for his kindness and he refused. I asked him if he was ever a scout and he smile and said just one word. "Eagle", got back in his truck and drove off. Oh, how I wished the world wasn't full of invisible scouts. Stosh
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    The era of shirts I use come in 100% cotton and are always looking wrinkled. Not much use in the winter, but then one can wear other garments more appropriate underneath. The shirt I wear is a cotton/polyester blend which is still poor quality for winter, but it doesn't need ironing. This is my workhorse of a uniform. The third shirt, and I have one, is a wool blend of some sort which is used when I'm going to be doing a lot of outdoor stuff in the winter. Not much wear on that uniform. I tend to like the cotton/poly because of it's wrinkle-free appearance, durability of the poly and quick dry properties. I can wash it out the evening before, let it dry overnight and put it on damp the next morning and be dry within an hour. The uniform I dearly love is a reproduction of the 1910 uniform with pants, shirt and tunic. 100% wool, keeps me warm and looks really good. If It is a bit warm out, the tunic is removed and a loose fitting wool shirt is really nice. This is my go-to uniform for spring and fall camporees when the weather turns a bit on the cool side. In really hot weather it can be a bit questionable. But I have done a lot of Civil War reenacting and know how to accommodate heavy wool uniforms in 100-degree heat. I wore it for 100 Centennial Jamboree and I didn't go down from the heat. It did get pretty hot that week. Some of the best uniform materials came out of the 50's and 60's. I have boys wearing the red-piped mule-eared pants and they never complain about wearing out. Getting too small, yes, but they just get passed down to the next smaller boy. Stosh
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    Can't remember the last time I picked off a tick and with our area infested with Lymes, that's a good thing. I really don't like the idea of dousing myself with Deet either. Wild raspberries, hawthorn, buck thorn, wild roses and such really take their toll on the legs, extra few layers is really helpful. It might look a bit weird, but I'm wearing the same pants I bought when I first started as an ASM (1993). The leggings prolong the life of the material, The cotton leggings might be a bit warm in the summer, but 3-4 weeks of poison ivy rash vs. looking a bit dorky? I'll take dorky, thank you very much. One has to be really careful taking off the leggings after being in poison ivy territory and be sure to wash really well before using again. There's a reason why the soldiers of WW I and II had leggings. Depending on the area I am hiking in, I have also been known to wear the leather. They are hot, they are uncomfortable, but once it was worth it when I took a timber rattler strike and he just bounced off. There are a lot of timber rattlers in our area and I happened to step on one before he had a chance to rattle. After that I am a bit more cautious in snake country and don't always wear the leather as much. And I never thought to use it to hold my spoon. Stosh
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    Looking at 100 years of uniforming, I like a couple of things over the years that have come and somewhat gone. The original BSA uniform was a shirt and tunic coat. That allowed the coat to be taken off when warm and put on when cold. Collar brass and hat brass identified the uniform and rank. Shirt basically didn't have rank because it was on the hat and tunic. Leg wrappings kept the pants protected in heavy brush and kept the ticks out. They could be replaced cheaper than pants. Square necker was functional. Full-wide brimmed hat was functional. Wool was eventually replaced with heavy cotton which didn't always look as sharp as the wool, but was heavy-duty enough to take the rigors of outdoors. Eventually fabrics became more and more "livable" but outdoors impractical. Now people want both looking nice and durable. Well, the only uniform over the years that fit that bill hasn't been around for over 100 years. I wore my reproduction uniform last fall camporee. Temperature ranged from upper 60's to just below freezing. I was comfortable throughout the weekend. I did cheat a bit in the morning in that I wrapped myself in a wool blanket until I got the fire going and the coffee pot on. And one after-thought. Wool is naturally flame retardant. whereas some of these new uniforms with synthetic blends are actually quite dangerous around the campfires. I still wear my wood jac-shirt around the fires because of this. I have a burn hole that went all the way through my jac-shirt because a boy tossed a log on the fire to make the sparks fly. I hate to think what that would have done to my arm had I been wearing a nylon coat. Yes, it's quite warm in the summer, but I put my jac-shirt on more for protection than warmth or to look nice. Just remember, the original military uniform of the BSA was not intended to be an indoor uniform, things change over the years and now the uniform tells the tale of the program today. The uniform is not meant for outdoors. That ought to tell everyone something. Stosh
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    Actually, my son has worn the WWII uniform quite a few times - our family all reenacts WWII and he portrays a WWII Boy Scout of his current rank. He has not been able to wear his original items lately because he outgrew the shirt he wore & I can't find a larger one. Depending on how he feels, he will wear the pants or the britches. I am amazed by the quality of the workmanship on this old clothing compared to that of today.
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    The two best places I have found to get a reproduction scout uniform from the teens are: http://www.schipperfabrik.com/ami_uniforms.html (1912 cotton tunic and breeches for $224.95 -or- http://www.greatwar.com/scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=42 Every other place I have found is overseas, which means more expensive shipping and such. Buying a reproduction WW1 US Army tunic does mean you have to ask for a few modifications if you want a more exact match to what Scouts actually wore. Both of the above companies are willing to leave off the epaulets, and to either leave off the US army buttons or sew on buttons you provide. As for me, I am having them sew on original BSA "Be Prepared" brass buttons that I bought on ebay and another online seller. You will need 4 of the smaller sized buttons for the 4 pockets and 5 larger sized ones for buttoning up the tunic. I got all 9 with a few spares for about $30. That sounds reasonable for vintage brass buttons that are at least 80 years old. Getting a reproduction outfit is going to set me back over $300, which doesn't include any patches, collar brass, shoes, etc. The least expensive route would be to buy an actual vintage US Army WW1 tunic and switch the buttons yourself, but I'd rather get one tailored to fit me. Both of the above companies ask for a detailed set of your measurements so the uniform will fit you very well. This is not buying something off of a rack. I went with cotton fabric instead of wool because it is about half the price of wool and because what I have been told is that Scouts wore cotton more often than wool. Mitch Reis (www.mitchreis.com) was helpful, and I recommend his books on uniforms and such.
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    It's nice to see other people with point of view. As a reenactor, I'm all for wearing the old style uniform. FYI, here is a good pic of the top: http://www.njscoutmuseum.org/treasures.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BSA_War_Service_Uniforms_1917_18.jpg Also some great pics from through the years at: http://histclo.com/Youth/youth/org/sco/country/us/scoutus.htm If it comes up asking for a password, just hit cancel. Usually it lets me see all the pics anyway. Go figure. http://bowrose.com/NewTroopContent/pages/HISTORICPHOTOS.htm When you look at the picture from NJ (1911 top) you see how there was some lack of uniformity. The merit badges in 1910 were embroidered on square cloth; some scouts sewed them to their sleeve in that shape & some cut and tucked under the cloth so they were round. Also, I am not sure if the sash was yet part of the uniform, but I think it was. Anyway, some scouts applied badges directly to the right sleeve, whereas some used a false sleeve to display the badges for special occasions like a court of honour. At least that is what I have read.....I'm not that old, LOL. Also of interest is the fact that in 1916 the US banned all uniforms that looked similar to that of the Army, except for that of the BSA. I am more versed about the WWII uniform, as that is what my son wears when our family does WWII reenacting. He wears an original uniform from 1938. I date it from then because we have the entire uniform, including the information on the scout they belonged to and his membership card for the BSA is dated 1938. I know he wore it up to 1941 at least because the shirt has a 1941 camp badge on it. He was still wearing the knickers at that time, even though the shorts had been introduced in the 30's. If you look at pictures of groups of WWII scouts, you often see scouts wearing both knickers and the long pants (introduced in 1943) as well as different shades of shirts. I think it depended on what they could afford and sometimes that had to wear hand-me-downs. I like the knickers better anyway. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it true that as long as the uniform is correct it is alright to wear past uniform styles? I know you can't wear the 1910 jacket with 1943 pants but if everything is correct I was under the impression that the uniform could be worn if the scout wished. As for the hat, just wearing the campaign hat one day out all day in the sun and my son really wished his troop would wear them all the time. No sun burn!!
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    How about a 4 pocket tunic with stand-up collar and jodpur pants and leggings? 4 corner necker and campaign hat. No one will mis-identfy one as a scout...! Too hot in the summer? That's bogus, I wear wool uniforms at events all summer long and at 59 years of age, I've never gone down from the heat. Yes, in Virginia and Pennsylvania in the summer the heat indexes can reach up well over 100 degrees. 7 2-quart canteens of water in an afternoon? Yep, been there, done that. If a reproduction centennial uniform were available, would I buy one? Yep! I bid one of my size on E-Bay to $1200 and had to drop out of the bidding. Anyone out there that has a pattern for such a uniform, I'd be interested! Stosh
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    Hey its great that you two replied to my thread. We too trained with several military branches. We started out with our local Nationa Guard unit. Then moved on to an honor unit in another town that did the silent drills which were NO.1 in the state of Missouri. They have also march in the parades whit an Honor Marine drill team. The boys really look up to these men with a lot of respect. Which its all about. They only have to tell them one time and its in memory. Myself........... I was never in the military. I also feels its my way as well to show my respect to our vets and soldiers and our country. Now more than ever. I love the idea about dressing up the boys in the 1910 uniforms for the 100th anniversary coming up. I wonder wear I can get a pattern to make the uniforms. Any clues? As far as rifles. That is a real NO NO. We talk about in our team meeting about how many people in our community don`t know the proper way to display the flag. Our troop also sells contract to play flags out in our community on holidays. Man............... the town looks soooooo nice. It makes you proud and is a good PR for the troop as well. Our next venture coming up is our Council Court of Honor for our Eagle Scouts held at the local Universtiy. Several of our new boys on the team will be doing the ceremory as our first team will be getting there eagle award. Plus the TV crew will be right in there face as they parade right in from of them. But this again is what it is all about.
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    My troop did this regularly when I was a boy. We opened conventions at least monthly, presented the colors, and frequently led 1000+ people in the pledge of allegiance. I remember working very hard to make everything right, but no one ever complained. I found out later that we would receive honoraria of $100-$500 almost every time we went which no doubt provided camperships, uniforms, etc. as well as equipment for the troop. A troop near me has started doing colorguards as well with great success. They have help from an ex-marine (yes I know, Once A Marine. . ., but he's too young to say retired) who not only served on the honor guards at the White House and Pentagon, but also trained marines for those jobs. Talk about sharp. Those boys received high compliments after presenting at the Memphis Grizzlies. I understand that several vets sought them out during and after the game to tell them what a great job they did. I still have a dream of putting together a colorguard in reproduction 1910 uniforms for the 100th anniversary. It's on the back burner for the moment, but I have several leaders and boys who really like the idea. Before the PC set jumps in and says "but Boy Scouts aren't supposed to do military drill", let me add that it has always been OK if the boys ask to do it. When I've taught boys to drill it's always been great fun. It doesn't take boys long to get it down well enough that they can teach and coarch each other.
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    I've been toying with the idea of getting a group of scouts together as a "reenactor" colorguard for the U.S. 100th anniversary of scouting. My vision is to have a group of boys to do colorguards in 1910 era uniforms at various scouting and community functions. I can't see using heirloom uniforms and museum pieces for this, so I'm investigating the possibility of creating replica uniforms. I've read the statement somewhere that "once a scout uniform, always a scout uniform," but this, I think, is uncharted ground. Before I proceed, I wanted to get some others' opinions on the appropriateness of this endeavor, leads on costume research and aquisition, etc. Since it's just an idea, I haven't pesented it formally, but I have enthusiastic support of several other leaders and interest from several boys (which is what really matters). What say you?
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    and in the late 70's early 80's the BSA supply division in cooperation with Boy's Life came out with a special "Pedro Edition" of the Wool Jac-Shirt. It was sent to Leaders only and was Red and Green Plaid. I got my hands on one.. my Dad was a Scouter back in the old days...70's and 80's and he recieved one of these jac's. He never wore it and gave it to me (in plastic) when I became a Scouter. It is quite the conversation piece..
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