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  1. 2 points
    I would agree with @HashTagScouts that the Venturing's organizers were playing the "have your cake and eat it too" tune. Their intent was clearly to cajole former boy scouts to pick up where they left off in rank advancement. (This, if I understand scouting history correctly, was a play inherited from the Explorer book.) One side-effect, as some troops began to micromanage every aspect of a scout's career, was that this policy could be used to entice dual-registered scouts in a troop to forget accountability to their troop-method SM's. This did not happen in my crew (my venturers kind of got the idea that I'd be the more demanding of skill mastery), but SMs made it quite clear to me that they were afraid it would. Venturers of years past had a pretty clear understanding that they could not earn merit badges if they were never in a troop. However, this caused confusion as well. I had one of my crew try to check out a sailboat at a council camporee only to be told she had to have earned Small Boat Sailing MB. She was an expert member of a sailing club! I happened to be walking by and was able to stick up for her and her Boy Scout buddy. Multiply that by 50K and you have a lot of venturers who were slighted for the lack of one little round medallion or another. However, the fact still remains that no rank (let alone 1st Class) was ever a qualification to earn any merit badge. So, without further clarification, this is one more place where somebody somewhere is going to manage to push applications through. Frankly, I wouldn't like it, but if I had a class of venturers who were obsessed with MB's and wanted to earn them all with no concern for rank advancement, I'd find a way to make it work for them. Then when they were adults, I'd lean on them to register as counselors for whichever one became their career/hobby.
  2. 2 points
    Ah, it's finally been updated! Lots of interesting changes in this new edition too. Thank goodness the square knots have been officially limited to nine; the ambiguity of the previous guideline made rationalizing excessive patches too easy. Now it reads specifically "the number of knots is limited to three rows of three." As for the rest of the Guide, it's very nice and much improved over the last edition. There are plenty of new images, and as a whole this new edition is far more detailed than the last. CSP's have a whole new detailed re-write with images. There is a whole new set of guidelines for custom patches and emblems, and Lion Scouts now have guidelines for their awards. There are changes to the Webelos insignia (the blue diamond rank patch is gone, as are specific Webelos Den and Assistant Den Leader patches), and Venturing uniform placement guidelines have been enhanced. The section on adult awards and recognition has been greatly improved and expanded as well. I recommend everybody check it out!
  3. 1 point
    I would say that @qwazse is on the right track of "how we got here". The Explorer program was really set about as one of many attempts by BSA to have an older scout program, and at various times in its existence advancement was allowable in similar fashion as it is in Venturing today, at others times it wasn't. Eventually that was all spun off and became Exploring, and the concept of "Venture Patrol" within a troop began. I was around for those later days of Explorer program, and my CO chartered both a troop and a post. Heck, the spruce green shirts for Venturing came from the Explorer BSA program. For our crew, our CO also charters a troop and a pack. We haven't yet had anyone that came from outside of that particular troop who wanted to work on Eagle solely as a Venturer, but the Advisor and I both are in agreement that we have the experience that we would absolutely do so (I am the CC). For those that are dual registered with our crew and that troop, we do talk with their leaders to keep them apprised when we do activities that would be counted towards Scouts BSA advancement, and they are good with it. Venturing to me is just so misunderstood by a number of folks within BSA, let alone outside of BSA. I've lamented in previous posts how much I wish BSA would have blitzed the living heck out of marketing Venturing, especially when the current advancement tract was added. The Summitt Award is really no joke, and it deserves it's due from both within the organization and by those outside scouting. If any crew wanted to use MBs to give recognition to a Venturer or Sea Scout for their skill mastery, I say let them. Some individuals just really like to have that moment where it's about them and the pat on the back, and it would be worth the couple bucks IMO to give them that little round patch if it is the confidence builder they need. That those outside of those programs would be that obtuse as to not at least ask a female at that camp what her experiences were in boating (obviously at that time, it would not have been possible for her to have earned a MB) before passing judgement would tick me off. My son had hit his ranks just so in regards to his age that he never had to earn CyberChip for any advancement requirements. When he expressed interest in working on Digital Technology MB, his advancement coordinator at the time gave him a bunch of guff about getting CyberChip done first but they "weren't ready to start a group yet"- my son is in a technical high school, in the computer info tech program. Earning CyberChip should have been about a 3 minute conversation, not sit around and wait for a group mentality. As a MB counselor, I'm always willing to talk to a scout and see what experiences they have from school or life, and if it meets a requirement, I am fine with signing off on that (unless the MB requirement explicitly states do this first, or do this while working on...).
  4. 1 point
    @PACAN, how is that any different from a bunch of boys who know Scouting's ideals before their troop is registered? Two years ago, if a bunch of boys started a troop this way, of course you'd tell them to date their scout rank from the day the charter was signed!
  5. 1 point
    I'm sure you mean any book or document he might have read in the past. Barry
  6. 1 point
    Scout rank can be earned in about two hours - or less - by someone who knows their stuff. The only time requirement is that you have to describe some things after attending a troop meeting. Pretty simple. And there’s nothing in the Cyber Chip requirements that necessitates doing it in the day. You can watch the videos in the dark.
  7. 1 point
    @qwazse, that's brilliant. Not sure about gps count. I could mark the corner of each section and then the scouts could go from there using a compass and pacing it out. Not real accurate but gps's have their issues as well. One scout wanted to do something at night. They could set it up at night or the next day. @Eagledad, that's hilarious. It will have to be in there. It could be radios. Or it could be semaphore. Semaphore would match the steam punk theme. You will get full credit. You'd like the weapons I had in the clue-like murder mystery game: cotton, an outhouse, burnt pancakes, dull axe, and lightning.
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  9. 1 point
    In related news, Sydney will be in attendance tonight at the State of the Union address as a guest of Rep. Carolyn B. Maloney, D-New York.
  10. 1 point
    Which brings back memories of my being a scout. I recall my SM asking me first to teach another scout various skills. Then after teaching them send them to another scout to verify. Later I was to teach and sign off without anyone verifying. I realized the program when the time came for me to stop teaching and start verifying some of those I had taught. My troop is just three years old so we don't yet have a full compliment of older boys. But we are moving the right direction and scouts teach while a leader sits off and observes. Then the scout teaching lets us know when he believes the work is completed. It is working well. If you want a scout to know the material have said scout teach. The whole idea of adults signing everything off is not a good one in my opinion.
  11. 1 point
    And... you may have the reason your pack is so small. Few parents want their children exposed to such behaviors.
  12. 1 point
    Quite right. My carrier evidently knows how much I enjoy reading other peoples' mail because he gives me PLENTY of it!!
  13. 1 point
    This post was a warning to all those that disagree with the change that you don't want to hear about it and NOT about best practices. (Besides wouldn't THAT be better off in Program?) Since the original post covered avoiding upsetting sensitivities and appears to be in violation of the spirit of many points of the Scout Law, I felt it pertinent to call out the underlying tone of the post and it's impact on me. Appears that I'm not the only one. Or is that not allowed either? (Yes, that's an honest question) If you want to be taken seriously, then be open and honest (after all, that's what some of us are doing that you don't agree with) and dispense with the biased and heavy handed moderator actions we've been subjected to in the past. Edit: Such as the deletion of some of my replies already. Way to go guys. Not going to be surprised if hit with a suspension over this, seems to be the MO around here.
  14. 1 point
    It's restricting freedom of expression, plain and simple. But this is a private forum, so restricting a discussion by the owner is also a form freedom of expression. What I didn't like was the implication that the disagreements were hostile and unscout like and dangerous to youth. On the contrary, I felt most opinion were well thought out and set the example of safe discussion environment for a difficult subject. Implying that is was dangerous to youth was sad. Barry
  15. 1 point
    Most certainly. I also don't buy into the "Family Scouting" theory when girls are in separate troops from boys. Sooooo....let me get this "family scouting" thing straight....my son does camping one weekend with one troop and my daughter does camping on another weekend with an entirely different troop (or maybe the schedule conflicts and I have to decide which kid I'm going to support that weekend). Either way, my family is not scouting together. Instead we have a new potential friction point. If girls and boys can't be integrated in the same troop, it's really not "Family Scouting".
  16. 1 point
    This is where Sydney starts to loose my support. This is one push too far. BSA has now given her the opportunity that she has been asking for, too be able to earn Eagle Scout even though she will turn 18, and now she wants her Eagle now. I understand the frustration she (and a number of Venturers I know) have about not being able to count camping and activity they have already done. But the fact remains that she didn't complete ALL the requirements, which include signatures from council, and being a member of a BSA troop. Webelos do not get credit for camp outs or activity they do before they join a troop either. Sydney should thank BSA for giving her the opportunity to EARN Eagle, and then work on it next to the thousands of other girls starting today.
  17. 1 point
    Merit badge requirements must only be signed off by approved merit badge counselors. The committee chair is not authorized to sign them off unless he or she is also an approved counselor for the badge cited on the application. Finding the original counselor is not a problem; just make sure a new counselor is found ASAP, and that that individual is district-approved.
  18. 1 point
    RookieMom, you are getting opinions with a lot of years experience behind them shared with you here. I was a Cubmaster for 10 years. We operated out of a parochial school, so most of the scouts were from the school, but at least a couple times a year we had families visit our Pack with a boy who was "done". For whatever reason, their old Pack wasn't a good fit for their son and he now hated being a Cub Scout. I really felt for those families and tried to go all out making them feel at home. A lot of those boys ended up joining us and having a blast the rest of their Cub Scout careers. At least four of them stayed with their new friends and entered our troop. Three of hose boys are now Eagle Scouts and the fourth is still enjoying his career as a Boy Scout. I'm not telling you this to toot my horn, but rather to point out that those young men would never have gotten the experiences and benefits of Boy Scouting if their parents hadn't been proactive and found a way to expose their boys to a different experience with Cub Scouting. Do not pass GO, do not collect $200. Go find a good pack before your old one ruins all the fun of Cub Scouting for your boys.
  19. 1 point
    I had a similar problem, but it involved adults. My sons expressed their opinions on the problem adults to me, the SM, and the oldest to his BOR ( middle son had both problem makers on his BORs) Other Scouts complained about the behavior.. Problems got worse and worse. I finally had enough, and left the troop. BEST. DECISION.I. MADE! ( caps, underline, and bold for major emphasis). I admit, I miss my Scouts and my Scouter friends in the other troop, but the decision to leave was the best one. The attitudes my sons have towards the new trrop are a 180 degree turn around. Instead of dreading camp outs, they are now looking forward to them.
  20. 1 point
    Having listened to lots of people with troubles in their current troop stay miserable for far too long, people really should consider it more often and quickly.
  21. 1 point
    Whatever is encouraged, it should be for the character growth of the scout. The goal of the scouting program is to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law (BSA Mission). In short, character. Character is simply judging self-behavior and making choices without being influenced by our personal nature and temptations. I think the phone would be a great tool toward developing character because it is such a strong temptation and repetition of habits. The scout is forced to make a choice against his nature and bad habits for the good of making the right choice. Adults see phones as an annoying distraction. But annoying distractions are the best kinds of teachers of self-discipline. And it's not just a great teacher of character for the scouts, it's a great practice for adults of using tools to develop discipline. I compare it to the uniform. Scouts struggle with the uniform because they are concerned about their identity. Adults struggle because the uniform represents respect and not wearing it correctly shows disrespect. Adults need to shift their ideals of the uniform to developing the habit of making ethical and moral choices. Scouts need to learn and understand the practical reasoning for the uniform and what it represents to the scouting community. It requires both groups to grow and mature in their respective places in the scouting program. The adults learn better skills for helping scouts grow, and the scout develop a better self-discipline and making decisions. Barry
  22. 1 point
    I'm good with that as long as the adults follow the same rules.
  23. 0 points
    I 100% agree qwazse. I do this this was to help keep troop numbers up artificially IMHO. One thing we have encountered in my son's Sea Scout Ship and Venture Crew is that if he wants to finish his Eagle they aren't willing to do the advancement work so he had to dual register with a troop. Of course the troop is confused because he rarely attends troop meetings because he is almost always at a Ship activity or Crew activity they aren't really willing to help him with signoffs. So he is kinda stuck to either find a troop that is more willing to work with his signoffs or not finish. The advancement states clearly that the skipper or Crew Adviser can do the sign offs and positions in the Ship count, but they have the out to only do advancement if they are willing to. Kinda a catch 22.
  24. -1 points
    To everyone on scouter.com, Now that girls are already in the cub program and they are about to enter the scout program it's time to welcome them. That's a nice way of saying stop complaining about girls in the BSA. Every thread that is about girls entering troops has gone off the rails. There have been complaints about how the decision was made, the negative impact on boys, what's wrong with the BSA, and just a lot of anger. I understand that people want to complain in general but we can't have complaints about the decision to include girls any more. The reason is simple. No scout should feel unwelcome in this program. Any scout that abides by the Scout Oath and Law, or their parents, should never feel like they shouldn't belong. When people on this forum complain that the surveys were rigged or that girls will ruin it for the boys then the message every girl gets is that they aren't welcome and that their being in the BSA is a mistake. Now that girls are here the complaints need to stop and we have to welcome them. A scout is a friend to all. I'm not saying there can't be any griping anymore. The distinction between what I'm talking about and general frustration is simple. If a 12 year old girl reads a comment that says girls shouldn't be in the scout program of the BSA, or that the decision was a mistake, then that's what I'm talking about. For example, saying that you won't go to a summer camp or camporees where there are girls is just telling the girls they aren't welcome. Saying that your scouts have to get eagle and get out before the girls arrive is just saying girls aren't welcome. Saying that national didn't listen to everyone's opinion about girls is just saying nobody wants girls in troops. No girl in the BSA should read that on this forum. This argument is over. The BSA decided. It's time to be Obedient. For those that want to keep arguing there are a few options: 1) Accept the change. Be curious and see how this change plays out with an open heart. Girls are scouts and they're in the BSA to have fun with their friends in the outdoors. Change is always rough but it keeps happening. 2) Leave. Stand by your principles and realize it's time to move on and find another way to volunteer your time. BSA troops have changed and there's no going back. 2.1) Don't engage in these threads. For those that still want to be a part of the BSA but still aren't happy with girls: Understand that complaining about girls in the BSA has a negative impact on those girls, or their parents, that are reading these threads. Learn to let it go. 3) Fight it. You can PM me, the other moderators, or @SCOUTER-Terry if you don't like this decision. I'll be honest, we're tired of watching these threads. You can also just ignore this and keep complaining. Well, you can try but you're just going to make yourself bitter. And we'll remove your posts and ban you from this forum if you keep it up. @LeCastor, @RememberSchiff, @John-in-KC, @desertrat77, @NJCubScouter.
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