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    At our council's University of Scouting I have had a class on stating a new troop the last two years. (I signed up to teach before the announcement was made.) And... predictably a large percentage of the participants have been looking at female troops. I have also spoken with a good number of leaders in my area. Most will start their female units out meeting at the same time and place. Going to the same campouts. And one said he told his committee that they should specifically look at me and the troubles I have had getting my troop off the ground. Here is the thing: some of those troops will drift apart. Some will never drift apart because the adults pull the correct strings to keep them that way. Some won't because the youth want it that way. The thing is that I am VERY excited. You see, last night I saw again how females hold their own in Venturing as I attended our Wood Badge/NYLT Reunion. And who led the NYLT section? Two girls did. Two girls leading a mixed group and it was great. You see my daughter is a Girl Scout. And I support Girl Scouts. But most those girls learn to stand in a very protected girl only environment. I see a higher percentage of young ladies in the BSA programs standing up and leading without fear than I do in the Girl Scouts. This is NOT a rage against Girl Scouts. I think they have a great program. My excitement is that we are moving toward equality for my daughter. And no, I am not tired of the marketing hype. I am excited because last night I met a young lady who was a fresh member into Scouts BSA. And with the name change my daughter is interested in joining. (She was NOT keen on the Boy label. Such is life.)
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    No. But not for any petty "like / dislike" reason. The reason I wouldn't want to do that is because the council (and district) has several committees that interest me much MORE than training does. I love the outdoors and have some experience and education in nature and outdoor ethics....so the conservation committee would make better use of those skills. I've also got a degree in computer science and a long career in technology, so the STEM committee would also be a better (and more interesting) use of my time and knowledge. I'm not a teacher and most BSA "training" bores me to tears, but STEM and Conservation always trip my trigger. I'd encourage scouters to take a look at what committees and other volunteer opportunities are available in the district or council and see if one of them fits your own interests.
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    Hi @Ranman328 I bolded some things you said. You may have meant "disciplinary regarding the revocation of a Membership". But that qualifiying phrase did not appear in your prior post, in which you said "you must notify District and Council of any disciplinary actions taken by the troop to a scout." I suspect it may have been an accidental omission, but it has been causing some confusion.
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    For purpose of international Guiding, GSA already is the recognized association for the U.S. BSA would be infringing and opposed by The World Association.
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    Trying to ignore the whole "Scout Me In; Family Scouting is the BEST; the attitude that the last 109 years was subpar or somehow as the Boy Scouts did not allow girls; and the fact that as long as we're at it let's toss out the name Boy Scouts and become Scouts BSA. The name change of the program for the youth ages 11 -17; hey Girls let's join the Boy Scouts...BSA, wait we're gonna change the name now... I trust the Girl troops work out well. Just want to continue to run the troop, go camping, build self reliant Boy Scouts. While it's neat that Girls are joining, let's not forget the vast number of Boys that are already members.
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    Hmmm. Maybe. Maybe not. His viewpoint isn't patently ridiculous, so I think it's wiser to chalk it up as a judgment call and to just go about your business. Definitely a bad move to argue about it with the big local non-profit and a worse move to escalate to the DE. It's honestly not that big a deal, and certainly NOT worth making an enemy of your fellow scouters in other troops nor with non-profit volunteers in your community. IMHO, building bridges is a wiser course of action than burning them...
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    My suggestion had been that the BSA consider using "Girl Guides", but people here had all kinds of reasons why that would be bad. I'm still not so sure, but it's moot at this point.
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    Marguerite de Beaument (who was one of the original Girl Scouts who showed up at the Crystal Palace rally) wrote a biography of Baden-Powell (The Wolf That Never Sleeps, 1944), intended to be read by the girl guides, in which she wrote: (p. 45-46)
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    Here is one classic outline : http://www.inquiry.net/adult/recruiting.htm Publicity is your goal. Contact the local TV news, they would love to have a "human interest" story about the "NEW" (Boy) Scouts.... and , yes, there is a "local" TV news, you have to look for it. Same for the newspapers.... Good Scouting to you !
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    It's really hard to assess strengths and weaknesses of the case at this early stage. In any event, more than 90% of civil cases settle. The only real question here is how long it will take (years, possibly) and how many millions BSA and GSUSA will pay their attorneys before then. GSUSA made its point just by filing its complaint: their organization is still around, still strong, and still fiercely devoted to girls only -- which BSA can never be. There's not much more they can hope to gain from an arcane trademark dispute, so it is just a money drain for them as long as it goes on. "Scouts BSA" will be a fact in one week, so BSA has no incentive to do anything fast, and federal court is a great place to string things out (which also keeps the attorney fees down). So as both a legal and practical matter, the burden is on GSUSA.
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    Any troop will become great with a man OR woman with utmost integrity -- and a willingness to enjoy the outdoors -- to take on the role of SM for these girls, and one other woman to support him/her in a direct contact role. If this transition happened in the 70s, we might have gotten by without that depth, the lawyers would still have had at it. @desertrat77, Latrine? The shovel in my pack has been used by venturers of both sexes.
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    Always curious when this topic comes up, how National is de-emphasizing adventure- Maybe it's just me, but with all of the new programs at each of the High Adventure bases, councils doing everything from cave exploring to climbing, whitewater, mountain biking, not to mention pistols, ATV's PWC's, ziplines, etc. What exactly has National taken out of the program? Other than sending patrols of boys off on their own for camping (while there are those that say it destroyed the patrol method, frankly, my troop in the 70's didn't allow that, and I haven't found any of my peers who have said their troop or parents were Ok with it either).
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    I've actually wondered if Daughter would have earned Eagle given the chance to do so. She never pursued any such awards. GS ended at brownies. And her and her friends didn't feel that medals were what they wanted out of venturing. She and the boys had very little patience for leadership classes. The thing she really wanted was to go to summer camp with us. Her senior project was a weekend class on outdoor preparedness for the GS in the area. I think if she were given a tan shirt, she would have maybe earned First Class, held a PoR because it suited the work that she saw needing to get done, hiked the snot out of the countryside, and aged out happy. (She'd be a lot better with knots as well.) Her grandmother told me that this fall while helping get groceries, she stopped at a popcorn table, left a donation, and asked the boys about their ranks and the trips they were planning. Not sure where that puts her in the pantheon of scouting alumni, but it suits her. As far as what Eagle Scout represents, I know a desert storm vet who remembered being impressed at the skills they had coming into boot camp. I think Eagles are still living up to their brand in that department.
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    As a Cub Scout Leader who is going through recharter, I can tell you we are losing scouts to sports and busy parents. I have had 0 parents tell me that girls, gays or god made a difference with their membership. What I have been told has been 2 major reasons for not joining or dropping.... - both parents work schedules are too much to support their child in scouts... if they could simply drop them off at meetings and outings... that could work. They don’t have time to help their son with PWD, etc.... already too busy. - Sports....they see sports, especially for boys, as the best way to grow their son. For those inside the program, we know the unique benefits and experience scouts provides. I don’t see the general parent population seeing it outside of the Eagle Scout. My guess is that if they de-emphasized Eagle, you would see even faster attrition... it is the one topic I consistently have parents from outside scouting ask me about when considering joining.
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    UK story...last year I was on a plane with 56 other scouts all in matching t-shirts and neckers, on our way to summer camp. We clearly and obviously and unmistakably had girls amongst our number. There was an angry man on the plane. Got on red faced and cheesed off. He sits behind three of ours. I'm not sure what happened but I was sat across the aisle and a seat or two away in the same row, and I not infrequently heard him spluttering "****** boy scouts [inaudible muttering]". He was quite old. In the UK we dropped Boy from Boy Scouts in 1967. Nineteen sixty seven. Actually 50 years previous. So yes, definitely decades.
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    I don't see why we need to disambiguate Scout here. If you are a Scout leader and are having a conversation about Scouting, I think you just simply say "we'd like you to visit our Scout troop" or to the parent "I'd like your daughter to visit our Scout troop." Once you get beyond which set of program materials you use (BSA or GSUSA), it's really about why your troop's program is great anyways. If some parent is confused about what kind of Scout troop you have, I think you can launch into the 30 second explanation about how your troop is based on the program of the Boy Scouts of America and what makes that a great program.
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    What the infographic, which I'd seen before, says is I am being very careful to comply. To do so sometimes requires lengthy circumlocutions. I am well aware of the need to avoid confusion. After all my daughter, who wants to be a Scout (of the Scouts BSA variety) is also already a Girl Scout. And she is a member of a Girl Scout Troop (of the GSUSA variety) , and wants to also join a Scout Troop (of the Scouts BSA variety) intended for girls.
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    I imagine it will linger for a number of years - perhaps decades. I wish there were a way to preserve it formally, but alas do understand why not. I really have been trying to avoid a gender label so far. i.e. "Boy Scouts for Girls". If anything, I simply refer to it as Scouting and I refer to the youth as Scouts. I've actually dropped the label boys a lot internally. Instead of saying "the boys" or "the girls", I simply say "scouts" now.
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    Our troop would rent Girl Scout camps out, but now they are not allowed to, and it hurts the GSUSA camps because now they're not getting our money. There are camps on beautiful pieces of property and I worry that they'll eventually get turned into subdivisions. Ew.
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    That 10-15% probably includes day camp, weekend camping and summer (residential) camp. When residential camp participation drops below 10%: "Soots said last fall that fewer than 10 percent of the council’s girl members attend a resident camp." Girl Scouts circulate petition in effort to save camps https://www.semissourian.com/story/2579947.html
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    I know girls in Girl Scout troops that would love to go camping and hiking, but can not because their leaders do not "do camping" and do not want to hike. . . So I signed up as the Outdoors person with our local GSUSA troop and took the Outdoor training class only to be told afterward by the troop leader that "men are not welcome" on Girl Scout trips. . . So I go out and find an old Girl Scout that hikes, in fact she did a 180 mile hike this last summer and she would love to take the girls camping or hiking. . . that was a no go, the troop leaders did not like her and all Girl Scout Trips must include their leader, who does not camp or hike, she would not allow a group of registered GSUSA members take the girls anywhere without her.. So the troop for the last year mostly made drawings, colored with crayons, sang girrrrl empowerment songs, and sold cookies. So. . . I am waiting to see what happens when the BSA for girl troops start up. . . Will it be great with Outdoorsy women taking the role of scout master for these girls. . . or will the BSA for Girls suffer the same fate as GSUSA with leaders that will not camp or hike and then just fall back to the class room style advancement centered program that many troops cling to because check lists are the easy way to run things. The weak spot will be the adult leaders of the girls and finding the right women that can do that job, it will be a hard job, a drama minefield. I don't know which way it will (mostly) go.
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    In my familys case having spent decades in both BSA and GSUSA, this feels like watching your parents fight it out in divorce court.
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