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I wouldn't be very patient on this. I would speak directly w/ the SM and/or CC, possibly the CO rep if the CO is involved in the Troop (some are/some aren't). The yelling and screaming (coupled w/prior behavior) has no place and this "asm" no longer needs to have a role or presence at Troop activities IMO (again assuming the facts as presented in the thread are 100% correct and no reason to think otherwise). I would ensure I was present at any activity where my son and this guy were present. I would strongly consider changing units if the Troop isn't going to remove this person. T

His treatment of the youth is clearly bullying. A clear Youth Protection violation. Report it as such. go directly to the Scout Executive...do not deal with the troop leadership any longer, since they are clearly incapable/unwilling to handle it. This man obviously has anger issues and needs to be removed from Scouting...permanently.

That behaviour is ridiculous from the adult. Personally, we had a similar experience from and ASM. I asked him to step down as ASM because that behaviour is never ok in my book. We are there to build the boys up not tear them down.

I changed the title of this thread so it was a little clearer what it is about On a substantive note, I found this interesting: A bit of an understatement, but at least he made the effort.

Gold = Command Blue = Sciences Red = Engineering & Security. Also "first person killed on an away team mission"

I sent a couple of folks to the Philmont pilot this spring. Since they had not been to WB before, they had nothing to compare with. Between conversations with them and other things Ive seen/read.... We know the Win All You Can is gone. I had heard that the movie was gone and not replaced. I had also heard that the patrol project was gone. And finally, that they were dropping an entire day from the course. In searching just now to see if I could confirm any of these, I ran across this page which has the Gilwell Gazettes from the Philmont pilot: http://centennialwoodbadge.com/phil

not necessarily. depends on the bad choice. and you don't get to learn on my kid. I really don't feel the need to provide another opportunity for someone to screw up with my kid. and I really don't want that to happen to others either

Plus one hundred! This ain't the type of adult behavior that you want your son to model.

Ugh, I am so sorry Bearess. Your son does not need to leave. This adult needs to step down. Screaming at a boy until they cry is not appropriate. I think you should call the Scout Executive and have a conversation, so this is documented very specifically. Get it on the record. Then the Council can decide whether their volunteer deserves another chance to humiliate and bully children or not. The kids need to see consequences for bad behavior.

Family camping is part of the Cub Scout program, but nowhere in the new program have I seen that a Troop will offer that as a regular feature of its program. Just for the record, I will be stepping sideways from my current role as Scoutmaster of my son's Troop to be Scoutmaster of a linked girl's Troop (I have a 13 year old daughter who really wants to be an Eagle Scout like her brother, who just had his EBoR last week). I have absolutely no intention of presenting the girls with a program that is less than the Patrol Method program that the boys have been running. I have a couple of heli

You were sent into a public competition with no training, no preparation, and no time to at least practice ? ! Your Scoutmaster sounds like a complete and total ,non-empathetic jackass. How in the world could that possibly be considered good for anyone? Scoutmasters like that we just don't need. Rant over, sorry you had to go thru that. Oldscout

That is not a completely fair statement because there is a whole troop of families who want their sons to benefit from the program. The program has goals and processes to reach the goals. Once the quality of the program is diminished by needs of a single family, then choices have to be made. Your troops program isn't for every family. It is OK for families to make the tough choices. Barry

I'm not looking to have a debate on the merits of camping and parental involvement. Of course camping with other Scouts is preferred. My point is simply that Scouting, like everything else with raising kids, is sometimes messy and doesn't fit our desired structure. We don't want to throw out our ideals at the first challenge, but sometimes you have to compromise for the longer term payoff. When I was a Scout, we attended a Camporee. There was a patrol competition involving splitting wood. I'd never used an axe in my life. The Scoutmaster insisted that I do it. Said it would be

Then have him setup the tent that he shares with his dad. Problem solved. Just seems to me that trying to force him to tent with other Scouts isn't working and is only making everyone frustrated.

We have a scout in our troop that for the first year slept with a parent. The parents wanted him on his own. He was just immature. Now he's fine. There are worse things. Like today I got email directed to all camp staffs that reminded everyone that they should put in baby changing stations at camp so as to support family camping. I wish they put as much effort into developing stronger patrols as they do for family camping.

I know the requirements do not state anything about parents on a camp out. His mom is arguing that as to why he should be allowed to advance to First Class. But the Scout in question has not spent one night in a tent he has pitched. He will be with his patrol, set up tents, or survival shelters, with them, and then sneak off. Only one night did he sleep in a shelter he helped build with his patrol. Dad stayed outside the shelter until he fell asleep that night. Then second night he snuck into the parents tent. Since he has not slept in a tent he pitched, he should not even be Tenderfoot, let

The benefit is called Scouting. Scouting isn’t done by camping with one’s parents or family.

Both of my sons (and I as a youth) were recognized at the Brotherhood level. Both of my sons also cringed at the Hollywood Indian and copy of the Plains war bonnet worn, knowing that it a form of stolen valor in eyes of many tribes. It helped (and hurt) when a member of the Navajo nation stayed with us and had long conversations with them about history, abuse, etc. Some lodges do an amazing job of working with the local tribes, but unfortunately far too many do nothing of the sort. As for cross-overs.... When we crossed Cubs over, the invitation was delivered by the Patrol that

Statements like the really get at what makes OA so challenging and so easy to be done poorly. There is no “Native American mystique”— the tribes of North America are/were so diverse that there is nothing common to all of them. Some lodges, I’m sure, work really closely with the local tribe and put on a fantastic, authentic ceremony honoring the tribe in their area. Most don’t. In another BSA forum I’m on, an Arrowman stated that his lodge didn’t have any Indians nearby, as the three reservations in his state were far away. Through random professional contacts, I happen to know about a lar

As a youth ceremonialist, I throughly enjoyed conducting Cub AOL and crossover ceremonies. The regalia was neat, but as others have said, to me it was just a tool that we used to help achieve our aims. If we can’t provide the recognition and inspiration to the Cubs without feathers on our heads, we’re doing something wrong. Beyond that, most Cub Packs will turn over most, if not all leaders within a 6-10 year period. Some even faster. What is “new” in 2019 will be “we’ve always done it this way” by 2025. It’s not going to shock me when they announce regalia is going away altogether

I recall a simple ceremony...on a very hot night in an un-airconditioned meeting room at Howard Air Force Base, Panama. The MC said a few words. Three of us lined up on one side of a wooden bridge. We walked across. Our new SM put a brand new Boy Scout neckerchief on each of us. We each received a card and the AOL patch. SM said a few words (Mr. Bates was a powerful man and 12 words from him carried more weight than 100 words from others). I couldn't have been more thrilled--Cub and Webelos days were over, a new adventure was about to begin. There was no OA or Native American

Frankly, I am disappointed about not being able to use regailia for Arrow of Light ceremonies and probably more in the future. But to me that isn't the purpose and reason we are in OA. It is a tool that OA currently uses to help serve its purpose but it isn't the purpose. I would think that most people with Native American decent would not have problems with how OA uses the themes but I am sure there are those that dislike it. I am also sure that some ceremony teams disrespect native american cultures which is sad. I would be much more disappointed if a large group of Arrowmen dropped

I think I have actually seen a grid for this in the past - but of course it would be out-of-date now. It was when they decided that Venturing crew members 18-20 were no longer "youth" and were not "adult leaders" but were now considered "adult participants," which resulted in there being (I think) 6 different categories of people for YP purposes.

Yes. It's about time we grandfathers get our own clause.

So do I. I also like to teach my scouts to follow the rules, but that becomes almost impossible when BSA creates ridiculous rules that are totally impractical to follow. I am a teacher. We don't have two deep leadership in the classroom, so it isn't possible for me to follow the BSA guidelines 24/7. It just can't be done. My concern is that BSA is creating rules that it knows we will have to break. By doing so, it is teaching boys to not respect the rules.

The thing is though, I don't remember them saying "only during a scouting event". I really think it is up to how you interpert it.

Welcome to Boy Scouts! I am a youth myself and 15. I have the same exact situation as your son and I've been dealing with it for the past 4 years about. Others on the forum know my situation and I have ranted many times. I take it as that the CM is jealous that your son is more successful in Scouting as of right now, and I only know a few patrol leaders that actually do what they are suppose to. I commend your son for making the duty roster for the weekend and not the SPL. Anyway, I would just let it flow. To this day, I still do everything wrong according to that one parent (a committee

We have a very similar problem. CM is out of line. He is NOT registered with the troop, and has no authority over the Scouts. If there is no SPL, then the PL needs to got to the SM and discuss the matter with him. SM and CC need to have a discussion with the CM and nip the problems, i.e. CM's son camping with him, jumping on the PL's case when the son is not doing his fair share of the work, etc NOW or they will get worse.

@jjlash thanks. That is great information. But just a quick glance I saw following Blue and gold banquet moved from lunch to dinner on first day listening to learn presentation moved from day 1 to day 2 Some things are Philmont specific like touring different areas. So that may change or the actual course Looks like outdoor Experience may be reduced. They were at Rocky Mountain Scout camp on day 4 but looks like that was the only time.

My breaking point came in 2013. I was the new DE and ready and willing to make our council better and, starting that year to present, the BSA has taken the wind out of my sails. I immediately resigned as DE, then soon after left scouting all together. I want to remember BSA the way it was, not what it has become. That is just me.