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  1. 2 points
    There is more going on here that we may know These are some of key notes from the poster: It had been 9 months since becoming eagle. When he didn’t know what was going on he contacted his SM and when he did his SM wanted to meet with him. At that meeting he was told that he was denied a court of honor and would not give the reasons why. This may be some form of discrimination and if so there is going to be hell to pay. He was just notified last night that they are denying the COH for reasons they will not say. With that said, they talked at the library last night. Basically no reason was given for the Denial of the COH. The SM said he did pull for him as well as a top official. He gave him his medal and pins and certificate (in a plastic bag) and that was it. As has been advised, the COH for Eagle is typically the family. Not required, though there should be one if the Scout is desires the ceremony. In our unit we offer advice, have a box of decorations that can be used, etc. and support as needed. Favorite was one at the Scout's house, then we all watched college football after the ceremony. Interesting that the poster went quickly to discrimination, mentioned this multiple times, but offered no firm details (even vague ones). Not sure why one would jump to that conclusion so quickly. Must be some back story here not being disclosed. Also the implied issue with some member on the committee/troop on the timeline. Maybe some history there also. Sound like the Scout is an Eagle. (That can be confirmed with local council / NESA if it has been 9 months) Possibly move forward with that accomplishment in his life and put the COH issue astern.
  2. 2 points
    My son decided on joining a ship. He looked at two of them and choose the one that mainly sails sunfish and other small boats. He really liked the amount of freedom and control he was given. They capsized maybe 1 minute after starting, one of the Mates talked them through the process to right the boat from a chase boat. After that they where busy sailing all over the lake and each time they capsized they were able to right the boat pretty fast. It is nice seeing him excited about being involved again.
  3. 1 point
    I recently turned 18 and aged out of my scout troop and am considering staying on as an ASM. However, I am also considering joining a Venture crew (one unrelated to my troop) is there anything in the BSA guidelines preventing me from doing so?
  4. 1 point
    I just signed up to be a den leader for a cub scout den and I am new to being an adult leader I had a quite involved history in venturing as a youth and young adult just 7 years ago. My question is for my adult uniform should I wear the knots I received in venturing which include silver award, venturing leadership award and ranger? Should venturing awards be worn on tan shirts? Is it pretentious to wear them. I worked very hard to earn them and didn't really wear them as knots back then I just WORE the metals for ceremonies
  5. 1 point
    There will indeed be discussions about optional ceremonies without the Native American regalia going on at NOAC, but nothing I have heard about requiring such a move. If that were to occur, it will come as a huge surprise to many, as about half of the sessions revolve around the traditional induction ceremonies, AIA and creating regalia. NOAC attendance is down from 2015, not surprisingly since it was the 100th anniversary, but pulling the rug out from under thousands of attendees would do far more damage than letting us know in advance of any moves toward doing away with Native American theme. I would be shocked if there was anything more than offering an alternative, and perhaps a discussion of long term possibilities.
  6. 1 point
    Thank You for stepping up and Leading !
  7. 1 point
    Excellent points re enjoyment (or lack thereof) and burn out. I think about this every time I drive down a certain turnpike in OK. Along the way, on the outskirts of a town, there is a huge youth baseball/soccer complex. Day and night, the parking lot is full. All of the fields are in use. Rarely do I see the place empty. I reflect back to when my kids were young and involved in sports. They wanted to sign up, but I never detected much joy on their part once the season started. Endless practices. Fees up front and then mandatory candy sales and other fundraisers during the season. Long drives in the mini-van to games. Cranky children doing homework and eating fast food in the back. Weekends spent watching the children play half-heartedly. Obnoxious parents. Coaches acting like every game was the World Series/World Cup/etc. You know the scene. I believe many families are realizing that it isn't worth it. When I was at camp a few weeks ago, I noticed that the gaga ball pit and the basketball court were always in use. I found it interesting that the scouts were competing, definitely trying their best to win, but also having fun. And there was zero adult or staff supervision. The scouts were running their own show. Resolving their own conflict. Competing on their own, without parents and coaches orchestrating everything. I'm sure the scouts benefited in many ways.
  8. 1 point
    The message I got from that article is that soccer numbers are dropping because parents are taking the fun out of it. Select soccer at 6? At 6 my kids met at the park and the coach was no more than the screw ball in chief. It's kind of like watching parents with kids skiing. Good ski instructors realize 6 year olds are as interested in hot chocolate and playing in the snow as actually skiing but the parents want their kids skiing the whole time. Message to scouters would be keep it fun. I just came back from talking to scouts, parents and staff at summer camp and the idea that summer camp could be more than advancement took a lot of effort to get across. They can't even imagine, at least in my council camp, that merit badges don't have to be the primary activities at camp that everything else has to be squeezed around. Troops/patrols don't do conservation projects, hikes, climbing, kayaking, shooting, or anything just for fun because the MB schedule keeps them split up for so much of the day. All of those activities are jammed into the evenings. It's about understanding that play has its own benefits. Anymore the only way for a kid to play is to use electronics. Maybe it's not the kids' fault. Fun with a purpose might also apply to other activities.
  9. 1 point
    This all sounds a bit weird to me. If I were to guess what is happening I would say that someone on the committee for scoutmaster or other powerful individual in The Troop decided that The Troop should not take the time and expense to plan a court of honor 4 an 18 year old who has been out of the troop and not active in the unit since aging out a year ago. Scoutmaster then goes to insinuate the decision came from Council and the truth is just following that. Is it reasonable or correct for a troop to make such a decision? I don't know for sure. Perhaps there are Financial and time restrictions on the troop that they feel the cost and time and Personnel Resources required for a court of honor are not in the overall interest or capability of the troop at this point. If this is the case I still cannot believe that the actions taken are appropriate. A better line of action might be to explain the Troop resource constraints and ask for the scout or his family to take on more of the planning or financial responsibilities of putting on the court of honor. The other option would be to offer to present and recognize the Eagle at a normal troop court of honor and if the Scout or family wanted more than it was up to them to go above and beyond that.
  10. 1 point
    Short Ridge - I know I'm coming in late on this but I have to take exception to your statement that no one deserves a Court of Honor. Every Scout - at every level - deserves a Court of Honor if they have moved up in rank. A Tenderfoot earning Second Class deserves a court of honor. An Eagle Scout? Definitely deserves a Court of Honor. That's a big part of the program - and should never be ignored.
  11. 1 point
    Again: Your son is not being denied anything. A CoH is optional. Your unit is choosing to not organize one for your son. They cannot deny it. Nor is it likely that the council will get involved. National will probably not respond, either. This is a unit matter. Again: What is your goal here? Do you want to have a COH that is meaningful to honor and recognize your son’s accomplishments? Or do you want to punish someone for what you see as an unfair decision? I’m getting more the latter vibes from your comments. I agree. This needs explaining if you want better insight from these forums.
  12. 1 point
    The CoH is completely optional and at the unit’s discretion. There are definitely some details missing here. If the SM is refusing to do it, what do you hope to accomplish by trying to get Council to force him? That’s could create a major fight and lead to bad blood and the severing of relationships. Why did your son take nine months to initiate contact? Was he not going to troop meetings during that time? If you do choose to push this forward, I would strongly encourage you to reconsider your attitude that your son “deserves” the CoH. That will definitely turn off many people who might otherwise be on your son’s side. No one deserves a CoH, and as you’ve seen in this thread, the practice differs unit to unit. I would also suggest that your son, not you, take the lead in conversations. He’s an Eagle Scout and can handle a mature phone call with an adult. Also, there’s nothing stopping your son from holding a CoH on his own. Renting a state park campsite, holding a campfire with some Dutch oven treats for refreshments, and a simple ceremony is just as impactful as anything else.
  13. 1 point
    I've met a lot of really great, humble volunteers who could pass as banana republic generals with all their knots and other adornments. Other folks I know wear very simple uniforms. As long as they aren't a jerk, I don't care if they have all sorts of stuff on their uniform. I find it entertaining to shoot the breeze with the long time guys and see what all the stuff means. Some of those guys are huge know it all jerks, but they'd still be jerks regardless of what they put on their uniforms. Some folks take pride in the stuff they've done and show that on their uniforms. Some folks take pride in what they've done, and they internalize that. Both are fine. Me personally, I keep it simple. I wear the three knots I was eligible from being a youth: Eagle, Religious knot and Arrow of Light. I only wear the Wood Badge beads when I'm at a training or Wood Badge function. I wear the Neckerchief for the occasion, so my Wood Badge and Eagle ones don't see much wear, I mostly wear my Troop Neckerchief. I have a handful of Eagle Mentor pins, and out of many of the trinkets and awards I've received through Scouting, I value those highly, but I don't wear them. They technically aren't for uniform wear at all, but more so, I'm afraid I'll lose them if I wear them around on the uniform. More than not wanting to look like a know it all, I keep the uniform simple because I don't want to overshadow the Scoutmaster of my Troop. He's pretty fresh to the program, and I don't need to be rocking all sorts of knots, pins, medals and special neckerchiefs. I don't think he'd care either way, but it's more about making sure parents and other leaders don't go around him to me. He's the guy, and I'm there to make him and our Troop program successful. I think it's a subject that comes up more than it really ought to. There are sloppily uniformed folks, banana republic generals flaunting their bling, and all sorts of folks in between. We should just strive to be polite and helpful to one another and let the chips fall where they fall.
  14. 1 point
    May not fit exactly but one patrol bought a frozen pizza to cook for their first night dinner. If that was not bad enough, they attempted to cook it over direct flames on a grate. The icing on the cake is that they forgot to remove the cardboard.. which caught on fire. At least they didn’t have to carry anything out.