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  1. 6 points
    Well, our 83 year old Pack just had our first girl den meeting... and I believe the Earth is still rotating. No media present but we did have some pictures taken of the girls. Most were in uniform and no skorts. Overall it was a lot calmer than a boy den meeting. We have 3 den leaders working the 3 separate age groups present. All of us we experienced in the Pack and we remarked that we need to prepare more as the girls got through the material more quickly than we planned. That could be due to smaller groups, but they were also a bit more focused. Several of the girls were talking about getting friends to join, so we will see if this grows before the fall. The skit I planned to work with them on was a failure (it dealt with fake spitting into buckets but the young ones didn’t quite pull off the fake part and and kept spitting on me). There may me some media (all optional) later in the week as we are one of a few Packs in the area doing the early adopter program. I’m greatful that our council let us run a standard den meeting without pushing for media access and the TV cameras I’ve seen in other markets. They were very hands off and simply thanked us for taking this on.
  2. 4 points
    I stand corrected. Allow me to rephrase We seem to have adults who think that the troop exists for their fun and benefit rather than the scouts.
  3. 3 points
    Sorry about that, I wouldn't wish that on anybody.
  4. 3 points
    It was pretty clearly noted here (in the forum and in the media) that the implementation was to be "separate but equal" with regard to Boy Scouts and the implementation of coed. If this message is being changed now it may be that BSA has heard what many of us were saying originally, that the building a totally separate coed program put too much of a strain on already strained unit resources. I wonder how long it will be before they realize they are cannibalizing Venturing crews too? However, it is 180 degrees from what they were trumpeting this summer in order to sell this to the opposing rank and file.
  5. 3 points
    Right. I makes them poor planners and leaders, but not liars.
  6. 3 points
    And this is the trend you will see in the future. That is why the girls will take over leadership with their focused attention to detail and the boys will let them because it's easier to follow and enjoy the fun of no responsibility. This will extend well into the high school years. Unless it is segregated, such as sport activities, the girls seem to do better at running the other school clubs and activities. I'm sure with the recent media focus, this will occur in Boy Scouts as well. In 4-H the gals excel in the domestic areas, but hold their own just as well raising a championship pig.
  7. 3 points
    The only thing that can doom Scouting is people who allow themselves to believe that Scouting is doomed. If we embrace the pessimistic idea that Scouting's days are numbered, then sure, it won't last long. But while I may not be able to rescue the perceptions of cynics and fatalists, I can certainly save Scouting in the eyes of the boys in my Den or Troop. I can instill in them the ideals and aims of Scouting, and lead them to believe in the power of this movement, however it may be distorted or warped by reactionaries and so-called 'progressives.' I can motivate them to live the Scout Oath and Law, and learn the lessons and skills embodied in the Scouting movement since the beginning. Scouting is only dead if you let it die. But so long as it lives in me, and in those who believe in it, it can never truly go away. So why give up hope, when you can instead labor to instill hope in the boys you work with? You fear the end of Scouting as you watch the top come crumbling down? Then counteract the collapse by establishing a foundation of bulwarks from the bottom up - build it up in the boys, and they will hold it up in the future. I refuse to subscribe to fatalist ideologies that simply wait to claim "I saw it coming!" when they end comes. Poor fools; they just end up waiting and waiting forever ....
  8. 2 points
    @EagleVolunteer, welcome to the forums! Do you remember Mazda's "Dogs ... love ... trucks" commercial? Boyscouts ... love ... paperwork! Ask him if there's a young adult in the troop who can help you with the milling and assembly. He should be responsible for mocking up and drawing. If your 3-D drafting he and a buddy should be looking over your shoulder as you do. Surely, there's a hand tool that one can use instead of a Kreg jig. Same for finish hardware. We live in a century-old house. Screwing knobs was part of the kid's skill set from when they were old enough to yank them! He should be responsible for the sanding and finishing. (Citing "leadership development", Son #2 tried to dump that part of his project on me after I cut the hardwood pieces. I said he could go recruit a sander/stainer or leadership develop himself into one while I take a hike to the coffee shop. Mrs. Q being the fine woodworker in the family, she trained him in the process and he pulled it off quite nicely.) In general, you have the right idea. Yes, you should do the machining. But, ideally, the boy should interact with you piece by piece as he watches his project come together. He might even realize that a cut will need adjustment. That process of thoughtful supervision is central to leadership development. Hopefully he can be there with a buddy or another adult so they can learn together.
  9. 2 points
    So popcorn sales outside a liquor store, smoke shop, or adult book/movie store would be good in your book? Legal commercial activity? Yes. Fitting with the program? No.
  10. 2 points
  11. 2 points
    The change at the Cub Scout level has been in place for 23 days. The details of the change at ages 11-17 have not even been announced yet. I suppose one alternative would be to wait until we see what actually happens rather than drawing all kinds of conclusions based on what any of us thinks will happen. But I realize that in this forum, that's crazy talk.
  12. 2 points
  13. 2 points
    If girls in Boy Scouts was as popular as National keeps telling us, there should be a surplus of fresh volunteers ready to carry the flag for this historic change.
  14. 2 points
    Which is a problem all boy troops struggle with today with the helicopter gunship parents & leaders.
  15. 2 points
    “Give me enough medals and I’ll win you any war” If giving people a $0.50 piece of cloth inspires them to financially support a critical organization, who am I to judge either party.
  16. 2 points
    Knots are supposed to be achievements not purchases. Sends the wrong message. Want to donate $1000 then donate and get your plaque. A knot for this is a participation trophy that you buy.
  17. 2 points
    No OldScout, you are correct, it IS the Scouts troop. Saying it is the CO's troop is akin to me saying the new jacket my son purchased, with money he earned, is MY jacket. Legally it is mine and I am responsible for him, but it is HIS jacket. Or maybe that the group of people he hangs out with are MY friends, because I provide a place for him to sleep.
  18. 2 points
    I don’t like bling I don’t earn. Why would someone wear bling they pay for? That’s like participation trophies. What fun.
  19. 2 points
    It is not an honor. You can't buy an real honor with cash.
  20. 2 points
    I have a James E West knot and I have no idea who donated the money for it. I put it on my uniform as a way to say thank you to the donor. So please don't assume it's someone that wants to buy recognition.
  21. 2 points
    The message of a charitable giving knot IMHO: A scout is thrifty. He manages his finances for that rainy day ... and so that he can return some of his earnings to the people who he sees doing good in the world. But, this knot may also be given to the person who inspired a donor to act. From http://councils.scouting.org/Council440/Donate/James West Award So when you see someone with that knot, ask more about their story. Find out who made the donation in order for them to wear it and why.
  22. 1 point
    The charter organization owns all Pack assets, so if she leaves and takes the trailer she is breaking the law. Of course, unless there is a way to prove the Pack paid for the trailer (or was with Pack money) you might just be pointing fingers. There are a few lawyers around here who might be coerced in to providing their thoughts.
  23. 1 point
    I think that building up the feeding pool from cubs to scouts to venturing will help add numbers to all programs. It's easier to enroll them when they are young and retain them as they move along. Think about how many scouts are in your troop who never went through cubs. Same for venturing.
  24. 1 point
    Yes, you said it quite well. I guess I thought that was evident in my post but you spell it out more succinctly.
  25. 1 point
    Not very scout-like; are we repressing dissent in BSA now too? I always thought the rights of the workers to gripe about the "man" was as american as apple pie.
  26. 1 point
    So just because the Federal and state law enforcement groups are at loggerheads, doesn't mean that an organization that prides itself on character should be making money off of the controversy. In fact, they should be staying as far away from this type of controversy as possible. What's next? Handing out clean needles to addict as a service project? Condoms outside of seedy hotel? Breathalizer tests outside bars? Common sense would tell most rational parents that being around such places is not something to expose young children to.
  27. 1 point
    The thing I've always liked about venturing is that advancement is not such a big deal. I honestly think it's truer to scouting then boy scouts. Adventure and fun. The problem I've seen is that the parents don't really know about it and so there's little motivation for it. Also, the scouts that I've seen aren't really prepared to lead when they get there. The girls have little experience in the outdoors. The result is a very anemic program. I'm sure there are some good units but for the most part it's a bunch of kids without much motivation. I'd be more interested in working with crews but I think it would be easier if they dropped the age so that leadership and teamwork can be the focus while they're young and more receptive. I do think coed troops could honestly help crews as the girls would have more opportunity to learn some outdoor skills and also make friends at an age where that's critical. There are some kids that just want the adventure and fun, don't really care for the MBs and ranks and don't really fit in with the boy scout program. Rather than have a troop create a venturing crew for older scouts (which I know, does not work) how about a venturing crew create a troop just to handle the younger scouts until they're old enough for venturing?
  28. 1 point
    You know better. It is not legal under federal law.
  29. 1 point
    Nothing fictitious about the EM-50. Keep one in the garage, lousy on city mileage though. Picked it up in a surplus deal during one of the drawdowns. Hard part is mixing my own fuel for the flamethrower. Neighbor kids love it, keep getting letters from the HOA however
  30. 1 point
    This was exactly the opposite of what I have heard at our meetings. Most have voiced support of fully coed and rejected this proposal as there were not enough volunteers to implement.
  31. 1 point
    Cheapen the whole process? A bit of hyperbole? I don't know how long that knot has been in existence but prior to you knowing about it, did you feel as though what you accomplished was somehow less significant? I think you are giving that simple knot way too much weight. I would bet 95% of all scouts and adult volunteers don't even have an awareness of it. And personally, I would never let the accomplishments, swag, or little pieces of cloth others wear or even "buy" make me feel anything less about what I accomplish on my own. It is not in any way a reflection on who or what I am as a person.
  32. 1 point
    Sure, but in general, it shouldn't count as camping for Camping Merit Badge or for T-2-1 requirements. Special needs scouts are a different issue.
  33. 1 point
    @Pselb Before this thread goes down a path of pro/con girls I would recommend (to all) that those posts go in Issues and Politics. There has been pages of debate and I definitely have no issues seeing that debate continue and I believe you have some valid points and concerns. I posted this in programs as my goal with this tread is to talk of the actual program as we add girls and issues/challenges/ideas as BSA already made the call and Packs that decide to add girls should have the ability to share experiences and ideas.
  34. 1 point
    I think this is cool, and perhaps not that different from what Philmont was already doing. As I understand it, if a leader was going for training programs, they have programs in place for family members of leaders including girls.
  35. 1 point
    Technical glitches aside, this is a much better program than the original YPT, much more in depth. I did have to do it over the course of 2 days, as module 2 would not make it all the way to the end and kept throwing me back to the starting point. I would encourage people to take it sooner rather than later. As for that October date, who knows what may happen if someone puts it off and does not show complete by that time. I do know that YPT will be a big part of our Commissioner meeting tomorrow. I do intend to ask if there will be a penalty in that instance, other than not being included in recharter paperwork.
  36. 1 point
    From my experience, adults (leaders included) should be given prior notice regarding awards to them. If they say NO, then it is NO. They need not provide an explanation.
  37. 1 point
    I would prefer that we not encourage displaying economic class distinctions in BSA, especially on the uniform.
  38. 1 point
    I think I should edit out my two personal peeves -- the food and adults talking. It's cleaner and less about my preferences. The den leaders can manage these things.
  39. 1 point
    I view snack time as a tool to keep the kids busy and chewing so they can listen to some boring content from the handbook. Sometimes you have to give a short talk, and it's easier for them to listen when they are stuffing their faces. We did not always do snack, but when we did snacks, I tried to use the time strategically.
  40. 1 point
    I would never go to a scouts home uninvited.
  41. 1 point
    Is it a cool Urban Assault Vehicle ?? That would be really cool
  42. 1 point
    ... and I feel fine? I think that song was meant to be taken ironically. And where would "Leonard Bernstein" fit into your lyrics?
  43. 1 point
    Understood, but you didn't put that section under scouts, you put it under families. Might want to clarify who and what you mean.
  44. 1 point
    I would hope that trained adults would push back on the SM and MEET with the Scout instead of being so hands on. This is where I think we fail the boys. If we know better, why even go to the Librarian's house UNLESS you are going to walk him through what to do? It's okay for adults to say "No" to the SM and tell him why this is a bad idea.
  45. 1 point
    This is the "Ask me, I am a soft touch" Knot. Girl Scouts learn to recognize this knot at cookie time.
  46. 1 point
    In many cases a decision was made many decades ago to be a CO, by people who are long gone. The people in charge now follow the path of least resistance and remain CO even though some of them would really rather not be bothered. I suspect that if our CO was asked to be CO now, having never done it before, it is no better than 50-50 that they would say yes. They do let us use their tax i.d. number though.
  47. 1 point
    How many innocent men have been caught up in this? Anyone know? I have yet to hear of one. I just wear a body camera at work to protect myself. Kidding of course. But on a serious note, if it's a concern for anyone in their workplace, maybe ask your employer to install cameras if they haven't already. Technology could pretty easily put an end to this, at a cost to employers that would surely be less than any possible lawsuit that arrises. Not hiring women is not a good solution. That will land you with a different kind of lawsuit.
  48. 1 point
    There is a lot of real anger and hysteria in America. I think trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient,... scouts and Scouters are part of the solution. My $0.02
  49. 1 point
    Ike had a similar thought And not sure who advised “No business plan survives first contact with customers.”
  50. 1 point
    I always liked Churchill’s quote “Plans are of little importance, but planning is essential.” OR Tyson...”Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth.”