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  1. 3 points
    To be fair, the complexity is jumping up on YPT and overnight requirements. I think a BSA sponsored YPT playbook armband should be coming out soon.
  2. 3 points
    I think it's the presentation of the story that makes it seem odd. They make it look like these girls are already in the BSA, doing scout stuff and all. But the real story with these particular girls and this leader is that they are going to sign up when they can, which may be later this year or 2019. A better story would have been to go meet some girls who are actually in a Cub Scout pack right now.
  3. 2 points
    But, but isn't that what the opposition said would happen and we were assured that there would be policies to keep that sort of thing from happening? Shocked.
  4. 2 points
    We had a meeting with parents of some of our new girl members last night. One of the biggest complaints and questions was regarding separate dens. The comments were all similar ... why should any girl join if this won’t be coed, why shouldn’t all girls then simply stay in Girl Scouts. We explained that the Pack would be coed and that seemed like to help a bit. I wonder what families and supporters of GSUSA will think of all Girl Packs. Clearly that doesn’t help families go to one organization in terms of planning their time. I don’t understand how creating a girl Pack is family scouting, and given some of the comments I got regarding separate dens I can only imagine what current GSUSA supporters would think about it.
  5. 2 points
    I don’t believe so. Every summer camp/camporee required class a at dining hall, ceremonies, etc.
  6. 2 points
    Without the uniform they’re missing one of the methods of Scouting. Isn’t that 4H?
  7. 1 point
    You are somewhat right... I did receive the email. To be fair this email could have matched the last 7 years of email for this even just change the name of the sender.! No! I did not go to this event this year! But! my responses are not with out merit, I did follow up with others on what I missed at this years meeting ( I have been staple at these in the past ) and I do have well over 12 years as a district and council volunteer serving in several positions. District Vice Chair, Assistant District Commissioner and F.F.O.S. Chair to name a few. If you read my post.. I state most volunteers (District and Council) in my area are afraid to comment publicly, for they will be Bullied by the Council Heads in a closed door meetings or Black Listed by the Council's very own Talent Committee. "So is this a regional phenomenon or is it national." We have very unhappy volunteers in our district, and most are walking on egg shells just to stay in the game and some are walking out.... Our Council has put off requested District training for Years... most of the Districts are fumbling around being lead by this years DE (High turn over of course) and not able to function (as the district program manuals state) with out being micro managed by Council. Focus on money drives who is recruited to District positions (A game of Who and How much $$ are they worth ) no joke. So read into it what you will but my question stays the same and if this is not a place for such a question to be aired, then tell me where...you'll be the first to answer ! I have resigned from the Council and District programs, and have chosen to only help the units directly. So I now have freedom to inquire with out penalty... If this is a common problem we are in trouble.. if it's just my area hopefully it can be turned around. I'm not here to polish my halo , just air out what is a major concern. FrankBoss
  8. 1 point
    I've seen adopted camp sites at several NC camps, including Raven Knob, Grimes, and Daniel Boone. Some get pretty elaborate, with shelters, power, engineered fire pits, hammock stands, and benches. These camps all have online registration for weekend camping, so it's easy to reserve your favorites.
  9. 1 point
    We are a successful troop because we have good program and execute it week in and week out. Also we have and support the feeder packs at the CO who do a good job of providing program to the local area. We are successful because of our experience and what we do. The district and council do little to bother us.
  10. 1 point
    Oh, I thought that was a blood pressure cuff for people who like to read constantly.
  11. 1 point
    No camp is perfect but they were really good. Was impressed at how loyal the staff was to the camp and how many years some of them have been coming back. Good signs. Were very accommodating to special requests if they were reasonable.
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  13. 1 point
    I'd not seen the form. That is very specific. Interesting to see all the hoops for and early adopter program that heads things off by 6 months or so. They should've just done it from the start. Take your licks once and be over it.
  14. 1 point
    Agreed. It's a forced unneeded and problematic idea. Now if you have enough boys and girls in a rank to keep them separate and they want to do that, fine. Absolutely fine. But if you don't have the numbers and don't have the volunteers, how the heck would you make it work. Forcing it would just diminish the scouting experience.
  15. 1 point
    You are lucky, my wife assumes I can read her mind. Barry
  16. 1 point
    The moms in my troop do things like order t-shirts and help with fundraising. Their choice has been to leave the outdoorsy stuff up to the male leadership. So, I disagree totally with the idea that men don't get stuff done.
  17. 1 point
    I am good friends with a GSUSA leader (and former professional) who was congratulating me on Son#2 getting his Eagle. I mentioned (bragged) a few of his highlights and she asked about what an SPL was which led to a discussion of our Troops (sometimes watered-down) youth led mixed age patrol method. She was shocked, just shocked that we trusted them enough to plan and carry out things on their own and while she could see it would be chaotic it would be much more helpful for leadership development than the GSUSA program. She then told me to quit poaching their girls.
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  19. 1 point
    It would be better, and there have been some other articles with photos showing girls in Cub Scout uniforms (well, maybe only one article so far) posted in this forum.
  20. 1 point
    This came across my news feed. I have no idea about the quality of this publication beyond reading the article (which clear has factual flaws), but I thought it was interesting. https://hotair.com/archives/2018/02/01/northern-california-magnet-girls-joining-boy-scouts/ And another article came across right after that. https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/02/01/girls-signing-up-in-droves-to-become-boy-scouts-in-northern-california-were-both-created-equal
  21. 1 point
    To be honest, when I read this story and saw they person who created the Pack was a deputy DA I thought.... political move.
  22. 1 point
    The council must have kicked off this story as a recruiting message. Drum up some support in prep for launch. Most seem focused on the Cub Scout program when working with the media, not sure why this council led with 1,600 girls ready to join and then got all the media tied in with a fake BSA girl Troop. Seems like this can only cause confusion.
  23. 1 point
    Time for a new topic. I had to pick something up from an old scouter today. I was lamenting the drop in participation and said I was reading some old books from Hillcourt that were just dripping with enthusiasm and adventure. So he said he took Woodbadge with Hillcourt being the SM. That started a discussion. I asked him about a syllabus and he told me it was pretty simple. After months of preparation by the staff he showed up the first night and told everyone there would be no flip charts and all the teaching would be outdoors (chuck all the planning). Each patrol had to teach anything they wanted, as long as it came out of the scout handbook, the patrol leaders handbook, the scoutmaster's handbook, or the field book. Also, whatever they taught had to be in the form of a game. So, basically patrols made up games that taught skills. There might have been more but that was the bulk of it. So he used that as SM. Patrols made up games that taught skills. And to think that I used to really encourage scouts to make up games that covered skills. I'm thinking this might be how the next camporee works.
  24. 1 point
    Closed toed shoes is the basic rule for all scouting activities in my Council, even meetings. That said, my boys' troop was a full uniform troop (including socks), and the sandal/BSA green sock look isn't a good one.
  25. 1 point
    We have done items like this in the past. Having other leaders and scouts sign it on the back adds a special touch. Plaque ideas
  26. 1 point
    I think the terminology is tripping the whole forum up too!
  27. 1 point
    Terminology seems to be tripping up the media pretty frequently. I kind of wish the BSA addressed some of the branding considerations before going ahead with this. I didn't think it would matter much, but apparently it does.
  28. 1 point
    Yes, they will have to learn ScoutBook. When will it go live? Appears in March some time BUT who knows. The project may get delayed. So I would expect you should train the new person rather than train the person leaving. Planning? I'd train on Internet Advancement now, then everyone will have to train on ScoutBook anyway. The March 1st deadline is for current SB subscribed units. HOWEVER, the rumors out there are that ALL units will be using SB in a "Lite" version shortly there after. Recommendation: Train on Internet Advancement now and make the transition. When SB transitions everyone will have to train anyway. Training on IA now allows you to keep a timeline of your own AND allows for that timeline to continue should BSA delay IA's shutdown. Delaying puts you at the mercy of BSA project management.
  29. 1 point
    Oh, I agree, which is why I didn't say they wouldn't be offended. But using the cultural appropriation guidebook them being offended is of no consequence. Just in case anyone isn't paying attention to the whole thread. This is all sarcasm.
  30. 1 point
    In today's environment, I would never assume that. Someone, somewhere will get offended and make a stink and BSA will back down. That seems to be the process.
  31. 1 point
    Thanks for the feedback so far. This is helpful. To provide some more context. I've got no idea what's going to happen with our troop in a year or two. Will we be co-ed, will we be boys only, no idea. I'm not concerned with either outcome as we'll adjust and run the best program we can. When I read the original article, my thought was "yep, makes sense." I've got a son and two daughters. I don't really raise them differently - that all get the same feedback and opportunities from me. I teach my daughters how to use power tools and my bring my son to the ballet. But, I can clearly see there is a biological component to their behavior and development. I'd be lying if I said there was not. So, as a parent, I walk a line. I encourage their natural traits, but provide every opportunity to cross-train (so to speak). Again, when I read the article, I felt like "yep, this makes sense". However, it's written like so many other articles of this type - it's a lot of identification of the problem, some hand wringing about how we're going off the rails as a society, and then very little about what to do about it. So, I'm stuck. As a Scouter, I only have to guide a program for boys today. So, I don't have to worry about how my program today addresses the traits and needs of girls yet. Again, that may change someday, but it isn't my concern right now. So, I feel like I'm the position to do something about the masculinity question. We do what you describe Tampa Turtle. Yet, I also notice that many of our most active volunteers are moms. In fact, just about every committee position is a mother. Dads tend to be ASMs. But, most of them are pretty busy and are not all that active. So, I'm wondering if we're really all that masculine as a unit. It's honestly the moms that are pushing the troop to do things. They don't want to micromanage the boys - but they want to see the boys doing stuff. The moms are honestly way more into boy led than the dads. If our troop was run by the dads alone, we'd show up in the parking lot on a Friday afternoon and wing every camping trip. Honestly, the adults in our troop are a lot like the way that folks describe many venture crews. The moms get stuff done. The dads just kinda show up. So, this brings me back to the basic question. if we wanted to make sure we're promoting our boy's masculine traits, just what would you do? The teamwork idea makes a lot of sense to me. Another I've thought of is fostering competition that drives teamwork. Another is pushing the boys to take more leadership roles on.
  32. 1 point
    A local SM retired after 25+ years at the helm. Get got a great picture of Rockwell's "The Scoutmaster" that was framed. Around the border, all the Scouts and parents got to sign special messages to him. Thing was huge (36"x30") and very well done. Nice hardwood rustic frame. Brought the guy to tears. Nice shadow box of patches Scouts donated of various memories over the years was also presented. Total cost was $200 and was paid by parents and Scouts (past and present).
  33. 1 point
    Nope. We take from the Saga of Ragnar. You can't offend the North Men. Can't do anything British because we will offend someone eventually.
  34. 1 point
    First of all, thank you for the link to that article @Eagledad. I found it well-written, level-headed, and much-needed voice of sense in society's ongoing war against families. As for the idea of Scouting focusing on "leadership training and character development," and those being "gender-neutral" (never one of my favorite terms) -you will find after reading through Scouting's published materials over the years that those have been pushed and emphasized far more now in the past two decades than they ever were before. Yes, they were always a part of it, but you are failing to recognize that the very idea of Scouting, the core of its foundation and the center of all its facets, was the idea that boys are different from girls, with a greater need for active, adventurous learning, and that society lacks, indeed, desperately needs, a channel through which restless boys could learn the skills and knowledge they need to become strong, intelligent, honorable men. Who would dare presume that masculinity is important to Scouting, that "making boys into men" somehow matters in our programs? Oh yes. Lieutenant-General Robert Stevenson Smyth Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell. Or just Old BP as the kids called 'im. If you do not understand the central place masculine development has in Scouting, and the massive importance it had to Baden-Powell, Daniel Carter Beard, William Hillcourt, Earnest Thompson Seaton, and all the early founders of Scouting, then you do not understand what Scouting was meant to accomplish. The very impetus of Scouting was the recognition that more and more boys were growing up in urban or suburban settings without opportunities to develop in ways that align with masculine development. Boys learn differently from girls, and new trends in lifestyles made it increasingly difficult for millions of boys to get the physical, intellectually stimulating and involved experiences they require to prepare themselves for life. This became painfully clear at the end of the 19th century, when tens of thousands of boys, scions of the industrial revolution, wandered the dirty and polluted streets of cities around the world looking for whatever activities might keep them busy in a world of stifling urban development and increasing poverty. They needed something to pull them out of the slums and gangs and troubles of their situation so that they could become good and honest men who could learn to work and provide for their families and contribute to their communities. They needed to be rescued. It was the general recognition of that need that caused multiple Scout-like organizations to suddenly appear all over America at the same time Baden-Powell was refining his "Scouting project" in England with one purpose in mind - not to create a leadership factory, but to help boys avoid the pitfalls and bleak futures of a continually emasculating society by creating a program that would counter the disturbing trends of the day with a program that would help active boys become strong men, help curious boys become intelligent men, help honest boys become honorable men. So effective was his model that soon all the other organizations in America adopted his program, added to it their own structure and cultural flavor, and created the Boy Scouts of America. Its immediate explosion of growth can be attributed to one single idea - boys want to become good men, and Scouting can help show them how. That was the heart of Scouting - boys could enlist in a Troop, have exciting adventure and run their own groups all while having loads of fun - and all of it was designed to help those boys become better men, by tailoring it specifically to how boys learn, what boys love, and what boys need. You cannot take that idea of "making boys into better men" out of Scouting unless you completely and utterly ignore its very raison d'etre. It is meant to help develop positive masculine virtues in boys to create better men, who then become better leaders, citizens, and family members. And the trend of the last two decades towards taking that part out of it, as can be seen in the changes to the Scouting Handbook over the past few editions, has affected the BSA in negative ways. Scouting was truly a place for boys to explore their world and channel their energies in safe and productive ways as they figured out what it meant to be a man. Now that it is slowly feels the pressure to become just another activity program to put on a resume, it is losing the very thing it tries so hard to build in its member - confidence. And the declining numbers of the past few years is reflecting that. If National would ignore the boo hoos of the far left and stick to its central purpose, of making boys into better men, it would probably surprise itself with how successful the program could be again.
  35. 1 point
    My Dad loved Hogans Hero's , and he spent two years in France and Germany shooting at Nazis. Maybe he used the humor as a way of dealing with the horrors he saw as a young man. I don't know. But each to his own. "Adds a few more sticks of ash under the coffeepot"
  36. 1 point
    I wish we could go back to discussing topics that pertain to the nuts and bolts of Scouting. You may have noticed that I continue to post in the Patrol Method section several times each week. In my opinion, Green Bar Bill's legacy needs more focus here and less of the discussion of "issues & politics." This particular I&P sub-forum was initiated, I believe, to keep the divisive language and attitudes out of the other Scouting sub-fora. I tend to stay out of I&P because I'm more interested in hearing about Scouting topics like Patrol Method, Advancement, etc., just as @Eagledad mentions above. Why don't we challenge ourselves to stay out of I&P for a week and focus on building up the Patrol Method? How about discussing fun options for Blue and Gold ceremonies? My moderation style is more of suggestions like this and I think it would be great if we could steer our passion for Scouting away from bickering at each other and, instead, focusing on being Scouts and Scouters.
  37. 1 point
    Has any boy of the scout age ever felt they needed more character? Scouting is an adult program designed to develop boys into men of character (A game with a purpose). The attraction for boys is the adventure. The exhilaration of experiencing the independence for making responsible decisions is what keeps them in the program after the exhilaration of adventure becomes balanced with normality. Barry
  38. 1 point
    Found this video... Webelos uniforms are changing. New patches. More info on girls. https://vimeo.com/249824630 F@mily4UnitLeaders
  39. 1 point
    I have only three rules where adults can jump in and interfere. 1) Safety first (you covered that one) 2) Look and act like a Scout (breaching the Scout Oath and Law) 3) Have fun (deals with homesickness, bullying, boring program, etc.)
  40. 1 point
    Absolutely correct. Plus, BSA keeps trying to play both sides of the fence. Sometimes charter orgs own the units. Sometimes BSA acts as if they own the unit. As for now, BSA is inserting itself as if BSA owned the units when it announces cub scout dens have to be single gender and troops have to be single gender. IMHO, the charter org will work around and pretty much ignore BSA on these topics. And, how would BSA know or enforce the issue. ... Pack XXX will have den 9B and den 9G. They meet at same place and have same leaders and same calendar, etc. Troop ### and troop ###+1 will have same leaders, meet same place, etc. IMHO, the issues are youth protection and facilities. IMHO, youth protection should already be there. We've had siblings participating for years and crews have always been co-ed. If youth protection rules need improvement, then why the rules not deficient 5 years ago ? Like many other things, this change is best done fast. Just get it done. Waiting till fall 2019 for troop changes is not going to work.
  41. 1 point
    I disagree. Hugely. People are going to discuss, plan and make decisions. It's 100% natural. It's human nature. I think Stosh has it right in that there is probably much more going on behind the scenes than we can see. BUT this is hardly a surprise. Our local DE knew and hinted in August that there was an imminent announcement. If he knew then, then it was known much longer in advance at national. IMHO, national should have invested in staff well in advance of Oct 11th getting stuff thought through, in-place and ready to be distributed. BSA did not need the final product, but BSA should have had way more than a single page press announcement. Sort of a like ---> "we might do this" ... since we have a million members, let's invest, plan details and create details and materials well in advance. The issue is huge. People are going to talk and discuss and plan. To not have a discussion at every district's Nov and Dec round table is not acceptable. To think you can limit the agenda is a dream. BSA says "be prepared" and scouting teaches leadership. From what I see, they did not prepare well and they are not leading now. Yes they "control" the results, but they are not "leading". There is a big difference.
  42. 1 point
    Perhaps the national press releases should have been delayed until they have an idea of how it was to be implemented. I just read this thread and learned a whole lot more than what has been communicated to the Scouters by my Council. I have had extensive training in the field of "Risk Communication"...BSA National and local Council Executives need a crash course. In a nutshell...1) identify your stakeholders, 2) communicate early and often, 3) tell the truth, 4) if you don't know, say you don't know., 5) get out ahead of the rumors and quash them.
  43. 0 points
    Yeah, well... Another Scouter in my troop foolishly in the spirit of service to the larger Scouting community, volunteered to be on the committee planning a district Cub Scout camping event. He told me that the financial planning for the event includes a fairly healthy profit for the council, and that the importance of this has been emphasized repeatedly. Apparently this is true for every council/district event or program - Cub family camping, Webelos camping, camporees, Klondike Derby, first aid competition, etc. I realize this is the way things work, but it seems a little sleazy to, in effect, exact "contributions" from people when they don't even know they are contributing. I am sure most unit-level Scouters, and certainly the vast majority of the parents/Scouts who pay the money, have no idea that this goes on.
  44. 0 points
    Having been a on the Council and District Training committee and done a good deal of training, I can say far, far fewer than I expected.