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  1. This summarizes perfectly the trust problem with BSA National. Unfortunately, it extends far beyond trustworthiness. I believe their lack of transparency is rooted in basic ineptitude. Their actions are shielded to avoid visibility into their incompetency. How did this noble organization of the Boy Scouts of America end up with executives who are so divorced from the founding principles of Scouting? A Scout is trustworthy, yet they have repeatedly displayed examples of dishonest, deceitful, manipulative, and opportunistic leadership. The first qualification for the job should be that you
    5 points
  2. Agreed. To me this should be the policy going forward for Cub Scouts. I understand there may Be impacts to some dens, but we should encourage dads to volunteer. I honestly have no problem with requiring an adult female present with girls... but the requirement of having an adult male present with boys should also apply.
    3 points
  3. I agree that there is a double standard. There always has been. It's nothing new. The double standard exists in medicine as well. I have a cousin who is a doctor. He makes sure that there is a female nurse in the examining room whenever he is treating female patients.
    3 points
  4. Venturing has equal protection. If only guys attend an event either male or female leaders can attend, but there must be at least one male leaders. Same if all girls attend, a minimum or one female leader must attend. If boys and girls attend then one leader of each sex must attend. Boys sleep in their campsite and girls in theirs. Adults sleep in the adult site. So why have a different standard for coed cubs?
    2 points
  5. Nothing official, but my opinion based upon talking to long-time Scouters, Professionals, and my own personal experience as a former pro 20 years ago. The divorcing of Scouting principles from the executives started around the early 1970s when membership started dropping. When membership drops, so do the donations. And both are key factors in an professional's performance. DEs at that time did all kind of things to keep their numbers up. Some were caught and dismissed. But alot survived and moved higher and higher within the organization. As they did so, they covered up their tracks pret
    2 points
  6. It establishes a double standard. It says we trust trained women to be around boys but we don’t trust trained men to be around girls. That’s wrong. Either you treat everyone equally or you don’t integrate the program. With all the noise about equality and equal chances to put in a stupid policy like this just shows they’re not serious about equality. It’s just a buzz word to get their way.
    2 points
  7. I see a kid who wants to be a scout, that's good enough for me.
    2 points
  8. BSA National is making a distinction and judgement on Male and Female leaders. They are clearly stating it is NOT accepted that 2 men can lead a girls den. They are clearly stating that it is accepted that 2 women can lead a boys den. That is a double standard. Scenario 1 - You are a male and have a den and your daughter is in the den, you have a male friend, the ADL, and he has and a daughter in the den. According to BSA you and your friend cannot be the only leaders on an outing, you MUST have a female Scenario 2 - You are a female and have a den and your son is in the den
    2 points
  9. So we don’t trust two men with a girls den but we trust two women with a boy den. That’s called a double standard. It’s wrong.
    2 points
  10. Really? You might want to check out her petition on Change.org. This goes back over two years. Check out all the publicity too. You can't say she wasn't doing this for recognition or was doing this just to be in Scouts. If there were true you would not see even a fraction of this publicity. And when you read all the reasons why she's doing this (crowbarring open BSA), Eagle is one of the reasons. The irony is that the other reasons don't hold water because she could attend Jambo, go to high adventure camps and all that other stuff as a VENTURER!!! So fast forward to today. She's not happy
    1 point
  11. Given the following: "A candidate must be registered through the time he is completing requirements but need not be registered thereafter or when his board of review is conducted." https://www.scouting.org/resources/guide-to-advancement/eagle-scout-rank/ "While working toward completion of the Eagle Scout service project, especially during the proposal approval process, a candidate has the right to expect the following:" https://www.scouting.org/resources/guide-to-advancement/eagle-scout-rank/ "An Eagle Scout candidate is to research and select a meaningful project, de
    1 point
  12. We are the only Pack in our district running the early adopter program. There are others in the council, not sure how many.
    1 point
  13. There’s a difference. An Eagle candidate is someone sitting for an EBOR. A presidential candidate is someone running for president. I wouldn’t say candidate unless you’re done and awaiting review. Otherwise I’ve had several people reviewing my resume or applications asking about my eagle status. I was happy to tell him them I made it. It made a difference since it spawned a question which lead to a great conversation. Got in to one school where this happened. Can’t say if the Eagle made a difference but it built a rapport with the interviewer.
    1 point
  14. 1) Actively pursuing Eagle Scout rank or... 2) Have pretty much completed all the requirements for Eagle Scout rank, though not all of them with the BSA, more life experience, and am waiting for all of them to be recognized so that the rank can be awarded Honestly #2 may be a bit wordy BTW...have seen the Eagle Scout candidate used numerous times, really it is up to you.
    1 point
  15. I told them the same exact thing as you all said. I didn’t earn it yet, and I’m not exactly close so why would I put it?
    1 point
  16. Sounds odd to me. What exactly is an Eagle Scout Candidate? Is it like being a Parent Candidate? (i.e., pregnant). But back on point, I've never heard the phrase before, so the guy looking at the resume likely hasn't either. Then it's just drawing their attention away from what's important. If you want to add something then add that you're a Boy Scout. Talk about leadership you've done and responsibility you've held. That would be more concrete than the mythical candidate.
    1 point
  17. In the past 3 years since my son joined cub scouts, I have become increasingly concerned about this whole moral/ethical issue. It would seem scouts are going co-ed, which is no big deal, but the morality of sexism standards of the leaders and the open sexism of the children draws my attention to just exactly what it is the scouts are ethically adhering to? We have male teachers coaching girl sports in public schools and there doesn't seem to be much fear mongering going on there. Male clergy might only have females in their church youth group. Same for other youth organizations. All the
    1 point
  18. But then just say two deep leadership be it two men or two women or any combination. Putting in a double standard says we don’t trust men. Talk about sexist.
    1 point
  19. Alex you raise an interesting questuon, one scored group or five? It says you must fire five groups of five shots and all the shots must be in the 5 ring (assuming an A-36 which is the most common target). The 5 ring is 1.75 " in diameter, at 50 feet with a scoped gun on sandbags, or some other rest that should be no problem. Even with a cheap wal-Mart rifle and ammo. A good 22 can shoot 0.25 " groups at that range. A dedicated target rifle will put all five shots through one hole if the shooter does his part. But one group or five? I could argue it both ways, the wording m
    1 point
  20. I split this thread as there were two different topics being actively discussed which got confusing, also one discussion seemed better suited to be in Issues & Politics.
    1 point
  21. It sounds to me that BSA and society in general hold women and girls in a place of higher esteem. Women are more trusted, less likely to lie, less likely to do anything wrong. In a court of law the women are to be believed and the word of a man dismissed as a lie. A pair of women can lead any cub pack or cub outing. A pair of men may only lead an all boy cub pack. This double standard of course did not start with the BSA, it came in from the outside, but it is here now. As a man I have this very small gnawing feeling that I am of less importance, less trusted, of a lower clas
    1 point
  22. A scout is trustworthy. I may be reading this wrong, but the double standard explicitly states male leaders are not. My daughters in Girl Scouts do not have male leaders for whatever reason. I guess they don't want male leaders so they don't accept them. I have been hassled to be a leader in the Boy Scout program, but not for the Girl Scouts, YMCA, church, sports teams or any other youth organization. What with the Boy Scouts? My wife is not bothered by the Girl Scouts or any other youth program either but gets hounded by the cub scouts all the time.
    1 point
  23. I don't see any hatchet jobs in that news clip. As RS said, I see a child who wants to be a Cub Scout. (And, interestingly, the reporter says the girl is also a Girl Scout and the implication is that she is staying in Girl Scouts while also being a Cub Scout.) As for "the collapse of traditional values," I did not realize that being male was a "traditional value."
    1 point
  24. Here I am in my youth uniform, which I wore to my scoutmaster's 95th birthday party a few years ago (I'm on the left--he's the handsome guy who is seated). Before I get any compliments about being able to fit into my youth uniform, it is a pretty tight fit, I actually got it before my Eagle Court of Honor at age 17-1/2, and I was a bit overweight at the time. I wear this uniform occasionally to show off my bona fides as an old timer. It has my 1973 Jamboree patch. In this picture, I'm also wearing the neckerchief from our council contingent at that jamboree, a vintage neckerchief s
    1 point
  25. I’ll ask my DE tomorrow. I think the number is pretty low.
    1 point
  26. Not for me. Boys and girls are not the same. They should be treated differently.
    1 point
  27. One life lesson every one needs to learn is you can't always get your way. Sometimes you fail for reasons beyond your control.
    1 point
  28. Great. Follow the same rules everyone else has. Join Scouts. Start at Scout and work your way up. Too bad if that means you’ll be 20 when you make Eagle. I have dozens of friends who’d like special treatment too. Life shouldn’t work based on how loud you complain. Certainly an Eagle shouldn’t expect that.
    1 point
  29. There are several board games you can turn into a human form. Battleship, Foosball, and Risk are what we've done. So, for Battlehip hang a tarp to split the "sea", scouts sit in chairs on their side of the sea, put a bunch of balls in there as bombs, and the scouts toss them over the tarp where, if they hit a scout or his chair, he's out. The scouts must stay in their chairs. There's a lot of guessing where the scouts are on the other side of the tarp. The general idea is to make it so everyone moves as often as they can and at the same time. It's no fun to wait. We've also made fun orien
    1 point
  30. Some months back, I was tapped for taking over as our troop's Scoutmaster. The biggest top of mind I had was bringing fun back to the meetings. I happened to be in a World Market store and saw a $7 iron squirrel doorstop, and picked it up because I thought I could use it at some point as the trophy for some games we were kicking around. It has since become one of the mainstays in our troop monthly program, now dubbed the "Iron Squirrel Competition." Each month the adult leaders come up with a challenge that all the scouts participate in. These should combine some type of useful training/skill
    1 point
  31. Careful there...you will be pegged as one who is not inclusive supportive and liberating of these efforts. Just get in line citizen, it is a big and colorful tent but no room for dissent
    1 point
  32. I think if they leave this at the Lodge level there will be uneven and possibly discriminatory behavior that will blow back toward OA...I hope for a uniform and fair set of guidelines from National. If asked I would be opposed to any 'camping credit' towards a candidate who camped outside a BSA organization.
    1 point
  33. Since I am at work I really just sped through the video with the sound off. I saw some slides about leadership requirements but I didn't see what you are talking about. At what time in the video was that? (Or did one of the speakers say it without the words being on the screen, in which case I wouldn't have heard it since I had the sound off.)
    0 points
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