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  1. 5 points
    This summarizes perfectly the trust problem with BSA National. Unfortunately, it extends far beyond trustworthiness. I believe their lack of transparency is rooted in basic ineptitude. Their actions are shielded to avoid visibility into their incompetency. How did this noble organization of the Boy Scouts of America end up with executives who are so divorced from the founding principles of Scouting? A Scout is trustworthy, yet they have repeatedly displayed examples of dishonest, deceitful, manipulative, and opportunistic leadership. The first qualification for the job should be that you actually believe in the movement. I am truly embarrassed to have this bungling group of mismanagers at our head, and I am immensely sad for all that has been lost under their misdirection. I am one of their casualties who will exit Scouting at the end of this year.
  2. 3 points
    I agree that there is a double standard. There always has been. It's nothing new. The double standard exists in medicine as well. I have a cousin who is a doctor. He makes sure that there is a female nurse in the examining room whenever he is treating female patients.
  3. 2 points
    Venturing has equal protection. If only guys attend an event either male or female leaders can attend, but there must be at least one male leaders. Same if all girls attend, a minimum or one female leader must attend. If boys and girls attend then one leader of each sex must attend. Boys sleep in their campsite and girls in theirs. Adults sleep in the adult site. So why have a different standard for coed cubs?
  4. 2 points
    Nothing official, but my opinion based upon talking to long-time Scouters, Professionals, and my own personal experience as a former pro 20 years ago. The divorcing of Scouting principles from the executives started around the early 1970s when membership started dropping. When membership drops, so do the donations. And both are key factors in an professional's performance. DEs at that time did all kind of things to keep their numbers up. Some were caught and dismissed. But alot survived and moved higher and higher within the organization. As they did so, they covered up their tracks pretty well, and "encouraged" their subordinates to do the same in order to keep their jobs. Remember a lot of DEs are fresh out of college, are heavy in debt, and may be facing other challenges in their lives. They may feel they cannot afford to lose their job. Some bust butt to try and fix the problem. Only to face increased pressure since doing things right takes a lot longer than the "shortcuts," stressed out because they are working 2 and 3 times harder than their peers, get health issues, burn out, or in my case given an ultimatum by my wife: her or the job. And some fo the higher level pros enjoy "breaking" folks trying to fix the problem. My DFS gleefully announced my resignation after it was tendered. And he commented on friends' resignations after they left. I was lucky. My wife saw what the job was doing to me, didn't like it one bit, and was willing to drop her dreams of grad school to support me while I searched for a new job. Thankfully, she was only delayed in grad school a semester. But I have had friends suffer nervous breakdowns over the job. I and other started having physical health issues over the job. And I have had too many friends get divorced over the job. And all of that could have been solved if they didn't do the right thing and try to fix the problem. Not all pros are like the above. But too many are IMHO. part of that is they are not in the field dealing with those of us actually workign with youth.
  5. 2 points
    It establishes a double standard. It says we trust trained women to be around boys but we don’t trust trained men to be around girls. That’s wrong. Either you treat everyone equally or you don’t integrate the program. With all the noise about equality and equal chances to put in a stupid policy like this just shows they’re not serious about equality. It’s just a buzz word to get their way.
  6. 2 points
    I see a kid who wants to be a scout, that's good enough for me.
  7. 2 points
    BSA National is making a distinction and judgement on Male and Female leaders. They are clearly stating it is NOT accepted that 2 men can lead a girls den. They are clearly stating that it is accepted that 2 women can lead a boys den. That is a double standard. Scenario 1 - You are a male and have a den and your daughter is in the den, you have a male friend, the ADL, and he has and a daughter in the den. According to BSA you and your friend cannot be the only leaders on an outing, you MUST have a female Scenario 2 - You are a female and have a den and your son is in the den, you have a female friend, the ADL, and she has and a son in the den. According to BSA you and your friend can be the only leaders on an outing. There is no logical reason for this distinction. Unless you feel that girls cannot be trusted with only male leaders. Right out of the gate BSA National is putting into practice different standards based on gender.
  8. 2 points
    So we don’t trust two men with a girls den but we trust two women with a boy den. That’s called a double standard. It’s wrong.
  9. 1 point
    In the past 3 years since my son joined cub scouts, I have become increasingly concerned about this whole moral/ethical issue. It would seem scouts are going co-ed, which is no big deal, but the morality of sexism standards of the leaders and the open sexism of the children draws my attention to just exactly what it is the scouts are ethically adhering to? We have male teachers coaching girl sports in public schools and there doesn't seem to be much fear mongering going on there. Male clergy might only have females in their church youth group. Same for other youth organizations. All these organizations do their due diligence with background checks and field issues as they come up. Yes, there's pedophiles in all youth programs that slip through the cracks. Yet no amount of policy making has yet to be effective in curtailing the problem. Making any sort of sexist policies which the scouts seem to be doing here only draws attention to the issue. It would only be logical that in light of societal phobias, only female leadership be allowed to run the program. And yet still, with the media filled with female sexual abuse of youth, maybe that won't last long. And what's going to happen when everyone wakes up and realizes that both mom and dad are abusing their children. One can't legislate morality.
  10. 1 point
    But then just say two deep leadership be it two men or two women or any combination. Putting in a double standard says we don’t trust men. Talk about sexist.
  11. 1 point
    Alex you raise an interesting questuon, one scored group or five? It says you must fire five groups of five shots and all the shots must be in the 5 ring (assuming an A-36 which is the most common target). The 5 ring is 1.75 " in diameter, at 50 feet with a scoped gun on sandbags, or some other rest that should be no problem. Even with a cheap wal-Mart rifle and ammo. A good 22 can shoot 0.25 " groups at that range. A dedicated target rifle will put all five shots through one hole if the shooter does his part. But one group or five? I could argue it both ways, the wording makes it unclear .I never had a scout object to shooting four more targets. But then i was buying the ammo. At camp the scouts only had to do one, but I suspect that was due to time constraints more that anything else. Ramble alert! Back in my day ( I'm living up to my name here) you had to shoot 20 targets. Five prone with a score of 35, five sitting and kneeling scoring 30? and five standing with a score of 20. I was a pretty good shot but it still took half my day every day at summer camp. The camp had a scoutmaster shootout the winner got a watermelon to share with his Troop. My scoutmaster .Mr Tom Kavanagh went down to the range and shot a 49 out of 50 with some cheap camp guns.with iron sights yet! 45 years later I'm still trying to match that score! But the watermelon was delicious!
  12. 1 point
    I split this thread as there were two different topics being actively discussed which got confusing, also one discussion seemed better suited to be in Issues & Politics.
  13. 1 point
    It sounds to me that BSA and society in general hold women and girls in a place of higher esteem. Women are more trusted, less likely to lie, less likely to do anything wrong. In a court of law the women are to be believed and the word of a man dismissed as a lie. A pair of women can lead any cub pack or cub outing. A pair of men may only lead an all boy cub pack. This double standard of course did not start with the BSA, it came in from the outside, but it is here now. As a man I have this very small gnawing feeling that I am of less importance, less trusted, of a lower class then the women around me in the BSA.
  14. 1 point
    A scout is trustworthy. I may be reading this wrong, but the double standard explicitly states male leaders are not. My daughters in Girl Scouts do not have male leaders for whatever reason. I guess they don't want male leaders so they don't accept them. I have been hassled to be a leader in the Boy Scout program, but not for the Girl Scouts, YMCA, church, sports teams or any other youth organization. What with the Boy Scouts? My wife is not bothered by the Girl Scouts or any other youth program either but gets hounded by the cub scouts all the time.
  15. 1 point
    I don't see any hatchet jobs in that news clip. As RS said, I see a child who wants to be a Cub Scout. (And, interestingly, the reporter says the girl is also a Girl Scout and the implication is that she is staying in Girl Scouts while also being a Cub Scout.) As for "the collapse of traditional values," I did not realize that being male was a "traditional value."
  16. 1 point
    Here I am in my youth uniform, which I wore to my scoutmaster's 95th birthday party a few years ago (I'm on the left--he's the handsome guy who is seated). Before I get any compliments about being able to fit into my youth uniform, it is a pretty tight fit, I actually got it before my Eagle Court of Honor at age 17-1/2, and I was a bit overweight at the time. I wear this uniform occasionally to show off my bona fides as an old timer. It has my 1973 Jamboree patch. In this picture, I'm also wearing the neckerchief from our council contingent at that jamboree, a vintage neckerchief slide from our council summer camp made of genuine plastic, and a temporary patch from one of our council camps with the council's pre-merger name. I think everything else was current for my position at the time.
  17. 1 point
    I’ll ask my DE tomorrow. I think the number is pretty low.
  18. 1 point
    Not for me. Boys and girls are not the same. They should be treated differently.
  19. 1 point
    One life lesson every one needs to learn is you can't always get your way. Sometimes you fail for reasons beyond your control.
  20. 1 point
    Great. Follow the same rules everyone else has. Join Scouts. Start at Scout and work your way up. Too bad if that means you’ll be 20 when you make Eagle. I have dozens of friends who’d like special treatment too. Life shouldn’t work based on how loud you complain. Certainly an Eagle shouldn’t expect that.
  21. 1 point
    Some months back, I was tapped for taking over as our troop's Scoutmaster. The biggest top of mind I had was bringing fun back to the meetings. I happened to be in a World Market store and saw a $7 iron squirrel doorstop, and picked it up because I thought I could use it at some point as the trophy for some games we were kicking around. It has since become one of the mainstays in our troop monthly program, now dubbed the "Iron Squirrel Competition." Each month the adult leaders come up with a challenge that all the scouts participate in. These should combine some type of useful training/skill with the competition. This has become the boy's favorite monthly program piece and has heightened the fun and competition in the troop. This taught me a few things: Making sure to keep it fun. Fun covers a lot of flaws! Create something that is your own. While Iron Squirrel Competition is now a part of our Troop DNA, finding something that your troop "owns" would be fun. Not just the award, but the flavor. Go cheap and tawdry. Don't have to put a lot into this. Find something unique though that is funny. I am interested in what you other folks have done that are unique to your troop that is keeping it fun. Here is a link to our "Iron Squirrel" webpage.
  22. 1 point
    There are several board games you can turn into a human form. Battleship, Foosball, and Risk are what we've done. So, for Battlehip hang a tarp to split the "sea", scouts sit in chairs on their side of the sea, put a bunch of balls in there as bombs, and the scouts toss them over the tarp where, if they hit a scout or his chair, he's out. The scouts must stay in their chairs. There's a lot of guessing where the scouts are on the other side of the tarp. The general idea is to make it so everyone moves as often as they can and at the same time. It's no fun to wait. We've also made fun orienteering courses. Give each patrol a unique course (bearings and distances) through a set of labeled flags. Get points for getting the labels correctly. We did it at halloween once and put scary movie titles on the flags. The best part was always the last point. Each patrol starts from the same spot and there are a bunch of flags out in a field. Each patrol is given a bearing and distance that will put them on one of the flags. It's all about accuracy, and having a bag of candy as the trophy.
  23. 1 point
    Careful there...you will be pegged as one who is not inclusive supportive and liberating of these efforts. Just get in line citizen, it is a big and colorful tent but no room for dissent
  24. 1 point
    I think if they leave this at the Lodge level there will be uneven and possibly discriminatory behavior that will blow back toward OA...I hope for a uniform and fair set of guidelines from National. If asked I would be opposed to any 'camping credit' towards a candidate who camped outside a BSA organization.
  25. 0 points
    Since I am at work I really just sped through the video with the sound off. I saw some slides about leadership requirements but I didn't see what you are talking about. At what time in the video was that? (Or did one of the speakers say it without the words being on the screen, in which case I wouldn't have heard it since I had the sound off.)
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