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  1. 6 points
    The kid is playing his parents against you? Play the parents against the kid. "Do you really want your parents here the next time you get into trouble? Won't your friends tease you about that? Won't your parents be embarrassed that their son is a troublemaker who can't control his mouth? " To the parents: "I'm so happy that you'll be available within 30 minutes to attend any future counseling sessions at weekly meetings, monthly camp outs, and Summer camp. Most parents are not that committed to micromanaging their son."
  2. 4 points
    So today in Texas it is freezing, basically we shut the state down. It is 28 degrees. I got a note from a mom of a scout that brightened my day and I thought I would share it. Mom: I was telling my son to drive slowly and if he hit ice to not slam on the brakes, he said "Mom, I got this, Mr. XXX taught me when we went to Philmont." Thank you! Me: Glad I was helpful 🙂 Moral of the the story, You never know when they are actually listening to what you say. We were driving through ice and snow last winter to Philmont and apparently one of my scouts was listening to the old man driving.
  3. 4 points
    Yeah, tell the parents that they need to be present when their son scandalizes scouts with his foul mouth.
  4. 4 points
    Fellow Scouters, the winner of the Scouter.com slogan contest is: @SteveMM! - @SteveMM: "Scouter.com - Uniting Scouters Worldwide" Runners up: - @mrkstvns: "Make Scouting Great Again" - @MattR: "The scouter's campfire. Pull up a stump and join us." On behalf of the Scouter.com moderator staff, thanks to all for your great submissions and participation! @RememberSchiff, @MattR, @John-in-KC,@desertrat77
  5. 3 points
    You have no evidence for any of this. You are making assumptions about a kid you have never met. You have no idea what his motivation is (you offer a single possibility). It is possible that his parent's would have come to his defense no matter what. He could have been 100% truthful with his parents and they could have still reacted like this, some parents do this with teachers no matter how bad their kid is. You don't think scout age kids learn language from friends at school? I certainly did. I went through a similar stage around my early years in scouts. I had a wake up moment during an interaction with some good friends and a good teacher who called me out. Assumptions without evidence is 90% of what is wrong with the discussion on the internet.
  6. 2 points
    @mashmaster - Sorry to hear about the incident with the parents. Yes, it's remarkably frustrating to feel that parents are constantly putting up obstacles to you making the right decisions. I think I'd simply ask the parent "why?". My note would be something like: As Scoutmaster, conversations like this are pretty routine. A big part of why their kid is in Scouting is to benefit from being with other youth in a constructive environment. But, as kids are trying to figure out their own path they will make mistakes. Part of being Scoutmaster to let the kids know when they've crossed a line. We do it promptly and directly with the Scout to make the feedback have the most impact. When it happens, you try to do it in the most constructive way possible. You'll call parents for something significant, but in most cases you give the Scout feedback and trust he's learning from it. This is entirely normal and part of the development process for teens. Is there something special about this instance that you, the parents, feel is important enough to warrant a request to be present in the future?
  7. 2 points
    That's the first thing I thought of. He's allowed to take JUST his own son, but not JUST the other kid. If he takes his own son AND the other kid, it's acceptable.
  8. 2 points
    That wouldn't violate 1 on 1 and presumably there were 2 registered leaders at the event.
  9. 1 point
    From our East Idaho field office: https://www.eastidahonews.com/2019/11/the-future-of-scouting-in-eastern-idaho-looks-bleak-but-leader-say-it-is-not-doomed/
  10. 1 point
    Interesting discussion for Environmental Science merit badge, etc. IMHO, planting less susceptible species in a stressed ecosystem will be preferred over replanting current threatened species. Montana Council, Boy Scouts of America, is underway with a woodland transformation project on Melita Island after devastating stress on trees due to root rot and dwarf mistletoe, in combination with defoliation by Tussock moth and mortality by bark beetle. The biggest issue is safety to the more than 1,000 youth and staff who make the island their home throughout the summer. Recent winds have toppled large trees due to the weak and diseased root systems. Safety to the youth served continues to be Montana Council’s top concern. Rehabilitating the island to a healthy and natural ecosystem is the goal while eliminating the potential spread of issues to neighboring properties....Primary tree species on the island are Ponderosa pine and Douglas fir with a minimal, scattered population of Western Juniper and various hardwoods. The Douglas fir Tussock moth infestation, now in its third year, has resulted in severe defoliation of the stressed trees with significant mortality from bark beetles. Issues besides the mortality include excessive lean, shallow roots with minimal to no taproot and root rot, creating a hazardous environment. Douglas fir will be the majority of the trees removed. Old-growth Ponderosa pine, a signature tree for the island, will be conserved. An aggressive replanting process begins immediately and includes an impressive reforestation of mostly deciduous trees and sufficient shrubs, including chokecherry. Tree removal started the last week of October. The burning of slash piles is expected to begin in early November with visual smoke. Please be advised that smoke from Melita Island is planned with the controlled burn. Scouting programs at Melita Island are heavily water-based with courses including sailing, kayaking, canoeing, stand-up paddleboarding, boating, swimming, snorkeling, fishing, shooting sports, nature, camping, first aid and more. .... Sources: https://www.montanabsa.org/melita-island-woodland-rehabilitation-project/ http://www.valleyjournal.net/Article/22352/Boy-Scouts-rehabilitate-Melita-Island-woodland
  11. 1 point
    We had something along those lines from some parents, "hey you are being unfair, not listening to their kids side, we should have involved them, etc etc". Honestly was surprised because we, as you seemed to have done, approached the issue (and it was not the first one) as a teaching moment, this was leaders to Scouts and the NEXT step if this persisted would been to have a sit down with Scout and Parents. Sooo they came in and we sat down, talked about some prior challenges, they asked why they were not looped in. We reminded them we had in fact touched on some of the challenges with Dad at a few of the outing return times...Mom looked at Dad...dad looked at the floor, but again we wanted the Scout to grow and take responsibility. They had some pushback, Scout sort of looked smug like he may be winning this and we were being put in our place (honestly my opinion of the Scout changed through all of this process). We then pivoted on the family and explained that we understood their concerns, going forward one (or both) obviously needed to be at meeting, outings, summer camp to be available if there were challenges, no phone would not in fact work. They would need to get back with us. A few weeks later moved to another troop and actually got tossed out of that one for some behavior. Understand from some of the Scouts he had some School challenges also
  12. 1 point
    Evidently, the hot summer weather here in Texas is just too much for a fire-breathing dragon to handle!
  13. 1 point
    Our Troop camped this past weekend just north of the IL/WI border, with some snow/ice on the ground and low temperatures in the evening around 24 degrees. We had a great troop meeting in advance with the scouts leading a discussion on cold weather gear and camping tips. All had a good time and most were well prepared. You can discuss cold weather gear at a troop meeting multiples times, but for a few scouts it takes a trip in the 20s with snow and ice on the ground for the suggestion that they wear boots and not gym shoes to actually sink in. We will have a post-trip discussion/rose buds thorns at tonight's troop meeting. Filling the naglene bottles with boiling water at the end of the night and putting them in the bottom of sleeping bags worked quite well, except for the scouts that brought insulating Swell bottles and didn't understand why they were not conveying any heat. Again, good lesson learned. The Scouts made a ton of beef stew with a few dutch ovens on Friday night. We have been increasing our use of dutch ovens over the past 2 years and the Scouts appreciated how they kept their meal warm as they returned for seconds and thirds while enjoying a cold night around the campfire. Jeff
  14. 1 point
  15. 1 point
    Is he really? He is a manipulative brat who has learned to play his game his way. He gets a rise out of his fellow Scouts. He knows if he couches his story the right way (oh, he told the truth all right, his version) his parents will always come to his defense. He wants his parents' attention, no matter how he gets it. Language, topic? He learned it from the same people anyone learns language, dad, (mom?) Uncle, TV ( which the parents do not censor). He likes the sexy talk because it makes him feel grown up and superior to his "baby" fellow Scouts. He has learned how the "he=men" talk. Locker room talk will be his forte. I was once a sub teacher who accepted a Full Time assignment as a "Special Tutor" for Certain Kids. The Assistant Principal sat me down and explained that he had a few kids that had learned to play the system. Case #1: Cheryl was in 7th grade, a smart young lady, who was constantly acting up in class. Asst. Pr. calls a meeting of Cheryl, BOTH her parents, and ALL of her teachers, and me , the new guy. He read several official reports of her misbehavior, noted that it wasn't just one or even two teachers, but ALL SEVEN ! the parents could not deny their cherub's culpability. Chery sat there silently, said nothing. The Asst. Pr. noted that Cheryl would be in my charge for at least one class, we chose English. The parents sat there and silently fumed, starring at Cheryl, A.P. and me in turn. The other teachers gave stories in turn. The A.P then told the father HE had homework, for he was now the "homework checker". He had to sign every homework assignment, that the SpecialTutor(me) sent home. Three months into this, Cheryl was making all As and Bs in every class, and had been re-assigned back to her regular English class. By all means, make sure the parents of your Scout (BOTH OF THEM) attend any SMConference. Any SMConference, the bad ones and the good ones. You cannot modify the Rank Requirements, but you can insist on conditions for your SMConference(s). This is an excellent example of how Another Adult (teacher, sport coach, Scoutmaster? ) can have an effect on a kid. Make standards, hold the kid to them and Make The Consequences Stick. Oh, and ALWAYS have another adult Scouter with you whenever you speak to these people. YP 102. You want to be liked? Be likeable. You want help when your in trouble? Help somebody when they need it ("naw, I ain't going to do dishes...."). Need to be believed? Tel the truth in ALL things. You want your parents' attention and approbation? Give them GOOD reasons, and then you can learn it ain't your fault if they ignore you, it's their mistake. Be consistant. Be vigilant. Scout Promise, Scout Law.
  16. 1 point
    Maybe the national media issues do hurt scouting, as the view of scouting, by the parents that don't put their kids in scouts, is not positive. Hence, fewer new parents, fewer new leaders, online training. This is a national media issue. If national doesn't put anything out then they don't get ahead of their message and whatever bad media is put out by other people is the only message that all these parents get.
  17. 1 point
    Very well said. We see pretty much the same thing here. In our area internet connectivity really isn't the issue, but everything else you describe matches really well. What The Powers That Be (TPTB in my book) really seem to have missed is that 75% of training occurs in the interaction between people. The content is only 25% of the value. My recommendation to national: Use online training to cover the most basic of information. Make it one hour or less Start a national campaign to hold face-to-face basic leader training in every district annually. That training should be 6 hours or less. Provide sufficient instructional guidance for the district training teams to adequately staff and present the materials. Begin the development of an intermediate leader training course for Cub Scouts & for Scouts BSA. Upon collection of the topics, decide if it's either an instructor led local course or a series of Roundtable topics.
  18. 1 point
    I. HATE. ONLINE. TRAINING. Not only for the lack of contact with others, especially experienced Scouters who have "been there, done that," but also because the Powers That Be don't seem the grasp that technological disparities across the country. Not everyone has high speed internet. One person took over 4 hours to do just the YPT2.0 training because he had to use dial up; there are no high speed providers in the area that will service him. We had a group so fed up with trying to do YPT2.0 online, that they begged council to allow a live class, which thankfully council obliged. We would have lost several units if we didn't have that class. And don't get me started on the Specific Leader courses. Out of all the Cub Leaders in my district, 5 are completely trained. And 3 of those are experienced Cub Scout Leaders who took Cub Scout Basic Leader Training way back in the day. The bulk of the problem lies in internet connectivity issues. But also the way the training is presented, in a series of courses and not as a single, standalone course as in the old days,is confusing and intimidating some folks. Add in the fact that National changed all the courses, and if you were in the middle of training you had to start all over again, was the complaint I head from one of the 2 trained CSDLs who did it online last year. Plus National has attempted to state that in order to be "Trained" you have to have all the current courses, which makes people ask "why get trained at all if they will be invalid when they change?" Thankfully enough volunteers complained about that policy that it was quickly, but quietly , reversed. But sadly even the classroom training appears watered down. I was asked to be training chair again, and I am in the process of getting my syllabi to start setting up courses. In comparing my old syllabi to the ones I have used in the past, I am noticing the following: Length of courses have shortened; Topics have been watered down, or omitted completely; writing style of the syllabi seems to be geared towards a Middle School First Class Scout instead of adult learners.
  19. 1 point
    Progressives know that the key to controlling the future is to own the minds of the nation's youth. They took over education through the teachers' unions. The feminists usurped Girl Scouts. Boy Scouts of America was the last most prominent bastion for learning how to live a moral life. So that made BSA a very important target for progressives to eliminate. There once was a principle that one should adhere to their principles, even in the face of adversity. Compromise was the splinter that became a wedge that split the traditionalists from the program. Sadly for the youth, the knowledge and love of the outdoors was more heavily vested in the old traditionalist farts, who were reluctant to compromise their principles. I feel just fine on the road less traveled. Too bad BSA won't join me.
  20. 1 point
    Hopefully, his behavior will change and he will have learned despite his parents. I'm certain that the rest of the scouts in your troop appreciate what you did.
  21. 1 point
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  22. 1 point
    Scouter.com - "See. Share. Learn. Lead."
  23. 1 point
    Yep. We are camping next weekend, and I am sure I will hear a few comments about how cold they are, as it is supposed to drop down to 68 Friday night!
  24. 1 point
    I know we argue about Sports versus Scouting. I ran across this on another Scout Facebook page. It is long, but worthy of your reading. I attribute it to the name at the top. 'Nuf said... Brock Moore October 23 at 9:26 AM I promised myself years ago, every time I saw this I would re-post. Happens about twice a year. Rings true EVERY.SINGLE.TIME.... Here goes!!! Most people won't take the time to read this all the way to the end. I hope that you will. 17 INCHES" - you will not regret reading this An excellent article to read from beginning to end. Twenty years ago, in Nashville, Tennessee, during the first week of January, 1996, more than 4,000 baseball coaches descended upon the Opryland Hotel for the 52nd annual ABCA's convention. While I waited in line to register with the hotel staff, I heard other more veteran coaches rumbling about the lineup of speakers scheduled to present during the weekend. One name kept resurfacing, always with the same sentiment — “John Scolinos is here? Oh, man, worth every penny of my airfare.” Who is John Scolinos, I wondered. No matter; I was just happy to be there. In 1996, Coach Scolinos was 78 years old and five years retired from a college coaching career that began in 1948. He shuffled to the stage to an impressive standing ovation, wearing dark polyester pants, a light blue shirt, and a string around his neck from which home plate hung — a full-sized, stark-white home plate. Seriously, I wondered, who is this guy? After speaking for twenty-five minutes, not once mentioning the prop hanging around his neck, Coach Scolinos appeared to notice the snickering among some of the coaches. Even those who knew Coach Scolinos had to wonder exactly where he was going with this, or if he had simply forgotten about home plate since he’d gotten on stage. Then, finally … “You’re probably all wondering why I’m wearing home plate around my neck,” he said, his voice growing irascible. I laughed along with the others, acknowledging the possibility. “I may be old, but I’m not crazy. The reason I stand before you today is to share with you baseball people what I’ve learned in my life, what I’ve learned about home plate in my 78 years.” Several hands went up when Scolinos asked how many Little League coaches were in the room. “Do you know how wide home plate is in Little League?” After a pause, someone offered, “Seventeen inches?”, more of a question than answer. “That’s right,” he said. “How about in Babe Ruth’s day? Any Babe Ruth coaches in the house?” Another long pause. “Seventeen inches?” a guess from another reluctant coach. “That’s right,” said Scolinos. “Now, how many high school coaches do we have in the room?” Hundreds of hands shot up, as the pattern began to appear. “How wide is home plate in high school baseball?” “Seventeen inches,” they said, sounding more confident. “You’re right!” Scolinos barked. “And you college coaches, how wide is home plate in college?” “Seventeen inches!” we said, in unison. “Any Minor League coaches here? How wide is home plate in pro ball?”............“Seventeen inches!” “RIGHT! And in the Major Leagues, how wide home plate is in the Major Leagues? “Seventeen inches!” “SEV-EN-TEEN INCHES!” he confirmed, his voice bellowing off the walls. “And what do they do with a Big League pitcher who can’t throw the ball over seventeen inches?” Pause. “They send him to Pocatello !” he hollered, drawing raucous laughter. “What they don’t do is this: they don’t say, ‘Ah, that’s okay, Jimmy. If you can’t hit a seventeen-inch target? We’ll make it eighteen inches or nineteen inches. We’ll make it twenty inches so you have a better chance of hitting it. If you can’t hit that, let us know so we can make it wider still, say twenty-five inches.'” Pause. “Coaches… what do we do when your best player shows up late to practice? or when our team rules forbid facial hair and a guy shows up unshaven? What if he gets caught drinking? Do we hold him accountable? Or do we change the rules to fit him? Do we widen home plate? " The chuckles gradually faded as four thousand coaches grew quiet, the fog lifting as the old coach’s message began to unfold. He turned the plate toward himself and, using a Sharpie, began to draw something. When he turned it toward the crowd, point up, a house was revealed, complete with a freshly drawn door and two windows. “This is the problem in our homes today. With our marriages, with the way we parent our kids. With our discipline. We don’t teach accountability to our kids, and there is no consequence for failing to meet standards. We just widen the plate!” Pause. Then, to the point at the top of the house he added a small American flag. “This is the problem in our schools today. The quality of our education is going downhill fast and teachers have been stripped of the tools they need to be successful, and to educate and discipline our young people. We are allowing others to widen home plate! Where is that getting us?” Silence. He replaced the flag with a Cross. “And this is the problem in the Church, where powerful people in positions of authority have taken advantage of young children, only to have such an atrocity swept under the rug for years. Our church leaders are widening home plate for themselves! And we allow it.” “And the same is true with our government. Our so-called representatives make rules for us that don’t apply to themselves. They take bribes from lobbyists and foreign countries. They no longer serve us. And we allow them to widen home plate! We see our country falling into a dark abyss while we just watch.” I was amazed. At a baseball convention where I expected to learn something about curve balls and bunting and how to run better practices, I had learned something far more valuable. From an old man with home plate strung around his neck, I had learned something about life, about myself, about my own weaknesses and about my responsibilities as a leader. I had to hold myself and others accountable to that which I knew to be right, lest our families, our faith, and our society continue down an undesirable path. “If I am lucky,” Coach Scolinos concluded, “you will remember one thing from this old coach today. It is this: "If we fail to hold ourselves to a higher standard, a standard of what we know to be right; if we fail to hold our spouses and our children to the same standards, if we are unwilling or unable to provide a consequence when they do not meet the standard; and if our schools & churches & our government fail to hold themselves accountable to those they serve, there is but one thing to look forward to …” With that, he held home plate in front of his chest, turned it around, and revealed its dark black backside, “…We have dark days ahead!.” Note: Coach Scolinos died in 2009 at the age of 91, but not before touching the lives of hundreds of players and coaches, including mine. Meeting him at my first ABCA convention kept me returning year after year, looking for similar wisdom and inspiration from other coaches. He is the best clinic speaker the ABCA has ever known because he was so much more than a baseball coach. His message was clear: “Coaches, keep your players—no matter how good they are—your own children, your churches, your government, and most of all, keep yourself at seventeen inches." And this my friends is what our country has become and what is wrong with it today, and now go out there and fix it! "Don't widen the plate."
  25. 1 point
    I certainly believe this is a big part, but funding is driving Nationals actions (reactions) today. I believe the movement values debate is irrelevant now because the law suit is the game changer. National is in survival mode and all the changes we see going forward are for saving the organization. The BSA was rich in funding before National started in the progressive direction. I believe alumni would have come to the rescue if the law suit happened 25 years ago. Barry
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