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  2. I know not every stove is equal, but how much canister fuel should we expect to start with? How often do you restock? We haven't been able to do enough shakedowns to get a good idea. I was able to boil about 5-6 quarts of water in about 13 minutes with our setup. How much water do you need to boil for 10 crew members? I'll have a personal stove for coffee, so I'll have an emergency stash of fuel.
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  4. Eagledad

    Why no "trained" shoulder emblem for NAYLE ?

    Yes, we got rid of the course and changed to as minimal training as we could. We found that leadership development courses should only be used to give enough basic tools for surviving the first month in office, or to fix a specific problem. We went from doing annual troop training weekends to a one hour course after each SPL election. Ironically, when we were doing the the troop weekend training course, a couple of troops asked if they could send a few of their scouts. Even though stopped running the course because we determined it was way too much effort for knowledge gained, those other troops who participated in our course took the syllabus and started running their own course. For them, it was a fun weekend and gave their older scouts something to do. Barry
  5. mrkstvns

    Why no "trained" shoulder emblem for NAYLE ?

    Quite right. While I think scouts (and adults) would benefit from all the exposure to leadership ideas they can get, they should not really be pushed into it, and dry classwork might well be counterproductive. In an ideal world, we'd just toss around nuggets of leadership wisdom while out on a lake fishing for trout, or hiking a 10-mile trail through wooded hills...
  6. Hmmm. Much as I love STEM fields, I can't help but feel like this is yet another effort doomed to do nothing but dilute the scouting brand.
  7. mashmaster

    Why no "trained" shoulder emblem for NAYLE ?

    But dear lord after 3x through ILST, they are so sick of it. we have had scouts refuse to take leadership roles because they didn't want to take ILST again. once that is removed, many of them are the best leaders we have ever had. Having them sit through classes like this over and over again is a great way to push kids out of scouting. They want to scout and have fun and they will lead. They go to school for a significant amount of time and they want scouting to be different from school.
  8. Since I have little experience as an adult leader in a Crew, I take your word as gold. I find your post interesting because the crew members I found most bored were from General Interest crews. Based from my youth experience of Scuba Explorers, planning for scuba activities was relatively quick and easy. I agree that when open to do anything, a lot more time (and frustration) is spent deciding. Same goes with PLCs. Troops can sometimes get in a rut simply because repeating activities is easier than the pain of planning something new. Also, I may have said this somewhere else, but for the 20 or so years I was active, our district averaged loosing 3 out of 5 crews in their first five years. None of those crews were Specific Interest crews as far as I can remember. I think there are several reasons, but the main reason is the sponsors of specific interest crews are generally organizations or businesses specializing in that specific theme and don't loose interest. Sponsors of general interest crews are typically parents who move on when their kids move on. Barry
  9. Well, at work it was behind a pay wall but from home it works. Go figure.
  10. Recently heard a yet another group with the BSA - Invention Scouts , not be confused with STEM Scouts. Invention Scouts is a new program developed to help today's Co-Ed youth and young adults to "Become Better Inventors". On this Website, and at Crew meetings Invention Scouts will learn new Skills, how to work within a Team, Create new Inventions and use your new skills for Community Service. When you join Invention Scouts you will become part of an Invention Team. There are one or more Teams in a Crew. The Post or Crew has a meeting place, a chartering organization, and an Adult Advisor. There is also a Crew Committee made up of parents and other adult volunteers. Each Crew and their Invention Teams will determine their Invention focus. Their focus can change over time. For example, a team could focus on inventions in fashion, or bio-medical inventions etc. http://www.inventionscouts.org/invention-scouts
  11. Here, I think there are three models 1) Specialty crews like the SCUBA crews are chartered by subject experts and only do that activity. 2) We have a crew chartered by an outdoor store that is nominally a climbing crew. They also backpack and canoe depending on scout interest. I would call this and similar crews high adventure crews. 3) We have standard CO chartered crew who do whatever that cohort of scouts wants.
  12. While I got his point, his argument as to why seemed a bit anicdotal. My take away from the whole article was - people who follow their true passions tend to be more successful. If you figure out what you passion is early in life and follow it, you do well. if you take some time to find your passion, you do well. If you get forced into picking something too soon and guess wrong - you don't do as well. The learning here that I think one could extract is - as an adult, don't feel that you have to pressure a youth to figure out their passion too soon. If you do, then the youth may very well pick wrong. I would agree with @Eagledad here, Scouting is a great place where a youth can live their dreams. The program is so varied - from advancement, to activities, to leadership. It's like a microcosm of life where youth can explore and develop. That's a pretty cool thing. If leveraged well, Scouting can help a youth explore their interests and maybe understsand their passion in life better. But, we as parents and Scouters need to be careful not to try and force Scouts to fit a certain mold. If we try to make Scouts all do the same things, then individual youth suffer because they don't get to follow and develop those things that really interest them and ultimately could make them happier in life.
  13. Sadly yes. The vast majority of families in our troop are either outdoorsy or scouting heritage families. So camping, knots, and cooking are a given. Map skills, first aid, and LNT are more uneven. Pioneering and lashing are weak. Among our under 16 scouts everyone has at least one BSA, GS, Scout Association, or Scouts Canada parent.
  14. I'm not quite sure what the article is saying beyond letting your kids do what they want to do. I don't know. In reference to our scouting program, I believe scouting is one of the few programs where a boy can live his dreams. The challenge for the adults is building a program without barriers to the dream. The greatest deterrent to a great scouting program is the adults' common idealist dream for each scout. I understood this realization more and more as I experience peeling away layer after layer of my pride to remove barriers from the program that got in the way of scouts. One time I was talking to a scout who was leaving troop meetings early for his job. I don't remember the conversation exactly, but I will never forget his one comment "Because of his job, my ASM dad shows up to every meeting 45 minutes late, and nobody says anything about it. I leave each meeting early for my job and everybody is upset. I like scouts, and I like my job. Why do I have to make a choice and the adults don't?" Wow! Another adult idealistic dream holding back another scout. Like ripping off a sticky bandaid, I painfully pulled off another layer of pride to remove the barrier to this scouts scouting experience. Changing the program to be more open to the scouts' personal lives wasn't near a challenging as explaining my reasoning to the other adults with idealistic dreams for the scouts. I can only handle so much humility at one time. Sometimes a SM has to pull out their SM Card to trial new ideas.ūüėé Barry
  15. Oh.. shoot sorry didnt think of that. ūüė£ duh
  16. Apparently there is a further change to age requirements as of 1 March. According to https://www.scouting.org/programs/scouts-bsa/resources/nylt/ This is very good news for my troop, as our top youth leaders are 13-year-olds.
  17. Read this article this morning. It conjured many thoughts about Scouting; what kids want, what parents and Scouters want, even What is success. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/24/opinion/sunday/kids-sports-music-choices.html
  18. MikeS72

    The "Right Way" to retire U.S. Flag...

    Been there, done that! I raised and lower the flag at my high school, some 50 years ago. this was on a military base, with all weather flags that flew regardless of rain, snow or sleet. On one occasion, it was very cold, windy, and sleeting. I sprinted out, ran the flag up the pole, and sprinted back inside. Not long afterward, I was called up to the office, only to find the Military Police there, wanting to know why the flag was flying upside down. One of my more embarrassing moments at that school. I was also sent out the way I was, no jacket on, to correct it.
  19. mrkstvns

    Why no "trained" shoulder emblem for NAYLE ?

    Yes, that's what makes the most sense....but I've seen many scouts who show up for ILST when they become Patrol Leader for the first time, then always manage to have "conflicts" when subsequent ILST is conducted....despite their having accepted new positions of responsibility. Every ILST will be a little different because you have different boys involved in the activities, you'll hear different observations during the reflection moments, etc., etc. Aside from any nitpicking about whether they should remove the trained strip, a youth can definitely grow his leadership skills by continuously revisiting topics and looking at things from a new perspective.
  20. Eagledad

    BSA patrol method is lost in the fog

    That my experience, it's not a theory for starting a discussion. Where did I say that? Often the older scouts encourage the younger scout to take on responsibility so the older scout has an opportunity to mentor. In fact, I often watch our SPL choose the ASPL and Troop Quarter Master for that very reason. Can a leader be anymore serving than that? Not in our council. Brown Sea (or whatever it was called) taught advanced leader skills beyond the handbooks in planning, meetings and working the group. District and councils teaching scout skills at advanced leadership courses makes no sense and are doing it wrong. There is not a power imbalance in a servant driven program. And successful programs are open for different ideas, dreams and ambitions. A program that forces scouts to different than who they want to be, it will find itself loosing scouts. This is the number one problem of programs that loose their scouts at age 14. But, ironically, you could observe several programs at once, you will find that the same age patrol type of troops struggle with keeping older scouts because the mature responsibility of role modeling and mentoring is encouraged. In general when scouts are brought up in a serving environment, older scouts will instinctively mentor. Again, that is my experience. This is where I saw a big problem with same age patrol. The scouts in same age patrol did not see a vision of mentoring younger scout growth. They saw a duty to do their stint, then move on. And that was it. As I said, that is why same age patrol troop struggle to get past age 14 in troops. Troops with mixed age patrol are far more likely to keep the older scouts because there is still challenges in the program for the maturing young adults. Call it what you want, it doesn't mater. What matters are role models are internal to the patrol to provide experienced knowledge and that doesn't exist in patrols where everyone has the same experience. OK, I'm not sure what you are picturing here, but I trust your are correct. We had another Scoutmaster not to long ago on this forum who liked to split hairs to be divisive. I don't see "teaching" and "doing" as two separate actions in the patrol. Like a neighborhood sandlot baseball team that practices the fun sport of baseball, a healthy patrol requires both. If there is a difference between you and I, it's where the definition of "good decisions" come from. Scouts have to be guided from a baseline of behavior to know the difference from good decisions and bad decisions. The SMs role is the gatekeeper of that behavior. In a program that uses role models to develop growth, the SM guides through the older scouts because, they are the role models to the younger scouts. The discipline of making good decisions has to start at the top and work its way down to be consistent through the whole program. You have seen me often say that the quality of a troop program is measured from the oldest scouts, not the youngest scouts. To me your struggle appears to be mixing older and younger scouts. You aren't alone. You might even be in the majority in this day and age. But, when adults start throwing out stuff like 16 year olds don't like to mentor 12 years olds and 12 year olds are intimidated by 16 years olds, I discard it along with older scouts need more adventure and only the popular scouts get elected. None of those fears work on me because I have the experience that debunks it. I have to stand up and bring balance to such ideas. You may not be a mixed age patrol kind of leader. It's just not in you to trust how the complexities of younger scouts learning and building confidence simply by watching older scouts. And even more perplexing may be the idea of serving others is one of the most important skills a scout can learn to be a great leader. Serving and role modeling go hand in hand. And, role modeling is instinctive behavior for post pubescent males. The biological phenomenon is a mystery to me, but I've seen the wonder so many times, I have have full faith in it. Personal leadership experience has very little growth value for boys 14 and younger. But get them to age 15 and Scouting is one of the best programs where adult scouts can actually express adult traits... if we let them. I'm not trying to convience you to change. I've been in enough of these discussions to know better. Your a fine leader and I have no doubt your scouts are getting a great experience. But I will be here to balance these discussions for sake of those who want to understand the whole picture. Those of us who present our opinions based from actual experiences are becoming fewer and fewer. I want to keep my experience alive for as long as I can. Barry
  21. qwazse

    Working With Others

    @5thGenTexan. personality questions aside, these questions are constant in scouting. I've always been asking myself, "What am I best at?" Or, more importantly, "What do I enjoy doing so much that a few flawed personalities won't dissuade me?" So, for me, I would have loved to do nothing more than help rally venturing in my district and council. But, I realized that, with our troop merger, we had SMs and boys who needed a good bit of care to move them from Committtee-managed to PLC-managed. Neither the district/council nor our troop were completely devoid of abrasive personalities. But at the troop level, there was no doubt that my SM and I and our troop's other ASMs knew how to mentor boys. Parents could disagree with us for a litany of reasons (e.g., the SM for the past few years never wore a uniform), but they couldn't disagree with smiles on the boy's faces. So, I'm on the sidelines of my council venturing committee. The net effect was that I got assigned to a World Scout Jamboree troop -- as opposed to a crew. Oh well! I still get 36 youth to work with, and they'll let me wear my green suit when it suits me. Back home, this month a first-year can now tie a taut-line hitch. Paycheck! Sounds like your after the same thing. Let someone who doesn't want to deal with a den be a CM.
  22. Jameson76

    First Class 1a - Troop Activities

    We had one very eager to rank up. He was looking for a BOR and I asked about troop activities. He said he went on the raft trip, went climbing with the troop, did the five mile hike, and took a hike to an outpost, and had been to summer camp. I had to explain him that as all the list of activities; raft trip, climbing, five mile hike, and hike to an outpost; took place while at summer camp, that was only one troop activity...summer camp. Each thing he did while at summer camp was not in fact a separate activity. We discussed that the intent of the requirement was to have scouts be involved in the troop. He questions my interpretation and wanted to know if I was a lawyer. Told him I was not.
  23. HelpfulTracks

    Working With Others

    I hate to see you walk away from the CM position, but sometimes saying no is the best choice for all involved, particularly you and your son. If you do choose this path, understand that the same people that you are having difficulty with (or someone like them) may end up in that position. Maybe your path can including influencing who will take that position and help make the choice a wise one for the youth.
  24. HelpfulTracks

    Working With Others

    Indeed my nic/handle is based on the B-P quote, "No one can pass through life, any more than he can pass through a bit of country, without leaving tracks behind, and those tracks may often be helpful to those coming after him in finding their way." I love the quote because it speaks to how I try to lead youth and adults.
  25. @Venda welcome to scouter.com
  26. jjlash

    Working With Others

    Expanding on the "my sandbox, my rules" approach - insist that the pack will be run according to the BSA materials for the Cub program. This begins with everyone being trained for not only their position but all of the positions in the pack (aside - new facilitator led Cub leader training came out yesterday, it is scheduled to run 4 hours to cover DL, CM, MC). Once people know what their job is, and what everyone elses job is, they know what is expected of them and they know why we do things one way and not another. @HelpfulTracks I assume your handle is referring to the BP quote about leaving tracks. One of my very favorites - I am big on not reinventing the wheel so I use this quote often to remind my teams to capture their lessons learned "for those coming after".
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    • I know not every stove is equal, but how much canister fuel should we expect to start with?¬† How often do you restock? We haven't been able to do enough shakedowns to get a good idea.¬† I was able to boil about 5-6 quarts of water in about 13 minutes with our setup.¬† How much water do you need to boil for 10 crew members? I'll have a personal stove for coffee, so I'll have an emergency stash of fuel.
    • Yes, we got rid of the course and changed to as minimal training as we could.¬† We found that leadership development courses¬†should only be used to give enough basic tools for surviving the first month in office, or¬†to fix a specific problem. We went from doing annual troop training weekends to a¬†one hour course after each SPL election.¬† Ironically, when we were doing the the troop weekend training course, a couple of troops asked if they could send a few of their scouts. Even though stopped running the course because we determined it¬†was way too much effort for knowledge gained, those other troops who participated in¬†our course took the syllabus and started running their own course. For them, it was a fun weekend¬†and gave their older scouts something to do. Barry
    • Quite right.¬†¬† While I think scouts (and adults) would benefit from all the exposure to leadership ideas they can get, they should not really be pushed into it, and dry classwork might well be counterproductive.¬† In an ideal world, we'd just toss around nuggets of leadership wisdom while out on a lake fishing for trout, or hiking a 10-mile trail through wooded hills... ¬†
    • Hmmm. Much as I love STEM fields, I can't help but feel¬†¬†like this is yet another effort doomed to do nothing but dilute the scouting brand.
    • But dear lord after 3x through ILST, they are so sick of it.¬† we have had scouts refuse to take leadership roles because they didn't want to take ILST again.¬† once that is removed, many of them are the best leaders we have ever had.¬† Having them sit through classes like this over and over again is a great way to push kids out of scouting.¬† They want to scout and have fun and they will lead.¬† They go to school for a significant amount of time and they want scouting to be different from school.
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