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  2. The Latin Scot

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    Well, at least $36 is still something I can afford. Glad I don't have kids at the moment though.
  3. The Latin Scot

    Informal Observations on LDS Scouts

    As an LDS commissioner, I think 1/4 is being optimistic. Honestly, I'll be floored if as many as one in ten LDS Scouts throughout the country stay in Scouting. Details about the church's new program are finally rolling in and it seems most boys won't look back as they develop and begin the new activities. Here in Southern Orange County, CA, there is only one LDS-focused unit being formed that will likely cover every town from San Clemente to Newport Beach and all the way north throughout Irvine - it's a huge area with LOTS of LDS youth, yet only about 30 families are showing any real interest in pursuing Scouting so far. I think with the new youth program beginning in earnest next year, the number of kids from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints still involved in Scouting will dwindle more than some like to think. We have a new program now, and while Scouting was wonderful for the 100+ years we were together, it's the dawn of a new era for LDS kids and we have an entirely new, equally involving initiative that's going to consume as much attention and focus and dedication as Scouting ever did. Scouting needs to brace itself for a more total departure than they realize.
  4. mds3d

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    Re: position patches. When I was a scout, we reused position patches. We did it so much so that we had a stash of green ones that we still wore. If a scout wanted to keep the one he wore (with the exception of the green ones) they had to buy a new one for the troop. It saved a small amount as we only replaced them when they wore out.
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  6. Thunderbird

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    Summer camp where I am at is around $400 per Scout. The cost for adults varies, but can be around $275 per adult.
  7. 5thGenTexan

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    I was looking at one of my Boys Life issue from the 80s. They should be embarrassed by the product they are trying to sell now.
  8. scoutldr

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    My Council has announced the following, in addition to the national fee of $60 per youth: $12 insurance, $12 Boys Life and $30 Council Program fee, so $102 per youth member. Add to that the cost of unit dues, uniforms, and summer camp and other outings, you are looking at around $500 per youth per year. All adults also have to pay the program fee and insurance fee in addition to national registration. Scouting is now officially out of reach for a significant number of families with multiple registered members.
  9. Thunderbird

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    Scouting Wire: BSA Membership Fee Increase Details and FAQ https://scoutingwire.org/bsa-membership-fee-increase-details-and-faq/ The unit recharter fee is kind of hidden in the FAQ section: Q: Does this apply to youth members and volunteers? A: Yes, the new fees apply for youth and adult members. Effective January 1, 2020, the new fees are: $60 for youth members in Cub Scouts, Scouts BSA, Venturing and Sea Scouts, $36 for youth members in Exploring, and $36 for adult members (includes cost of background check and Scouting Magazine) $60 for unit charter fees
  10. Background... I was raised in a long-standing Mormon household. As in, I have a great grandfather's journal about living in Illinois during the Mormon persecution, another grandfather who was part of the Mormon Battalion, and other ancestors who travelled with the handcarts from NY to UT. I was talking to my mom recently. My parents live in a very tiny town smack in the middle of Utah, with a population that's 99.5% Mormon. (My guesstimate. Point is, very little religious diversity.) Mom is on the city council. She said they're looking into who could be a CO for a BSA troop because there are more than a few scouts who won't be able to make Eagle in time to beat the LDS withdrawal, and others who are going to be 'new' scouts who had brothers or cousins who earned Eagle and want the same thing. When the church first announced it was going to start its own program, I had thought this would be the case, but I just wasn't hearing anything from any of my relatives. Or anyone else for that matter. I decided I had it completely wrong, and LDS youth were going away for good. Now that things are wrapping up for the LDS scouts, I'm seeing what I thought I would be seeing last year. Families who value scouting and still want their sons involved. Of course, it still remains to be seen what percentage of LDS families end up sticking with scouting, but if that tiny, very Mormon, population in Utah is an indication of what other towns are thinking, my theory (guess, wild estimate?) would be that we'll see 1/4 to 1/3 of the LDS scouts return and/or join up.
  11. swilliams

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    Don't want to hijack, so I'll start another thread, but I have a little bit of insight here.
  12. MikeS72

    Best Time for Scouting for Food

    We generally do very well as a district, and are hoping that we will do even better this year, since Scouting For Food is no longer the same week as our school district food drive. When we are trying to go door to door, and students from 87 school are bringing donation to class every day the same week it gets tough.
  13. qwazse

    "Good" Groups vs. "Bad" Groups

    I have a low bar: If a clique is robbing liquor stores to buy drugs, it's bad. If a clique is lofting a projectile to land loudly yet harmlessly on the SM's tent ... not so bad.
  14. Thunderbird

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    Yes, I just looked up our recharter documents from last year, and there was a $40 Unit Liability Insurance Fee.
  15. MikeS72

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    Unless I am mistaken, there was already a re-charter fee for the unit of $40.
  16. qwazse

    Best Time for Scouting for Food

    With us, it has nothing to do with more or less donations. It has to do with when our food bank (which is managed by our CO) really needs it. So typically our pack collects in the fall; our troop, in the spring. That usually syncs up well with Thanksgiving/Easter times when families would like to be able to put a little more on the table. I don't know what you mean by "biggest". Some councils cover a wider area. Some have more members. Some food banks have more clients. So, we can talk about items/pounds per member, items/pounds per square mile, or items/pounds per persons or households served. There might be a numbers wonk who keeps track of stuff, but we're dealing with a voluntary reporting system. I doubt we'll ever have comparable stats across the country.
  17. Thunderbird

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    So is there also a recharter fee of $60 per unit? Is this new / different? I did not see this mentioned in the communication from my council.
  18. MikeS72

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    Indeed. We collect $5 monthly in dues, and spend far more, (re-charter also comes out of dues) depending on fundraisers to make up the difference.
  19. Cleveland Rocks

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    Our Council Scout Executive explained it to us like this at one of our leader breakfasts this past summer at Summer Camp: The national council carries liability insurance for everyone. That's what much of your national fee covers, and that's what most of the fee increase covers. Some councils carry their own liability insurance, that is in addition to the national insurance. Some of those councils that carry their own insurance do not charge their members anything extra for the cost of that additional insurance. They pay for it with things like fundraising and FOS. Other councils charge fees at recharter that are above and beyond what the national fee is. Sometimes, depending on the council and their individual finances, that fee covers the entire cost of the premium, other times it doesn't. As an example, Lake Erie Council (I'm not a member of LEC, they're our neighbors) communicated to its members a few months ago that they carry their own insurance in addition to the national insurance. For years, they've charged $1 per member at recharter time to pay for a portion of that premium. They just announced that they can no longer (or are no longer willing, depending on your perspective, I guess) absorb the additional costs for the premium out of their general fund budget. The annual premium is around $150,000, and they only collect around $14,000 annually from the $1 fee. So, they announced that starting at next recharter that $1/member fee for council insurance will jump to $12/member annually. I'm gonna guess that a significant percentage of the national fee is now going towards the insurance. On some other boards, I've seen people saying they heard that next year, the premium alone for national's insurance will be $50 million. Just for the premium. Now, whether that $50 million number is true or not, I don't know, but even if it's a fraction of that in actuality, it's still a huge number.
  20. Thunderbird

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    And every rank and merit badge also has a pocket certificate. Plus, there are blue cards, etc.
  21. MikeS72

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    That is likely where your $24 goes. We can spend quite a bit of money at CoH time, particularly after summer camp, when the number of merit badges earned can be significant. Each merit badge your scout earns is $2.49, each rank patch is $1.99, we also give parent rank pins which are $2.49. Position patches are $2.99. It adds up quickly.
  22. MacBrave

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    My council, Crossroads of America, just increased their accident & sickness insurance from $1 to $12 a year. So with national's increase our membership fee for scouts more than doubled from $34 to $72 a year.
  23. Mom2Scout

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    Search me. It's a troop fee. At least I don't have to pay for each and every badge or patch like I did when my daughter was in Girl Scouts, so that's something.
  24. mds3d

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    What does that $24 pay for?
  25. Mom2Scout

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    We are up to $90 with the $60, $6 Council fee, and a $24 troop fee. So yeah.
  26. RememberSchiff

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    From Heart of New England Council (Central Mass): To ensure BSA has the resources to fulfill the promise of Scouting despite increasing operating costs, the National Executive Board of the Boy Scouts of America has made the difficult but necessary decision to increase the annual membership fee effective January 1, 2020 to $60 for Cub Scouts, Scouts, and Venturers, $36 for adult members and $60 for unit charter fees. Every dollar of the national membership fee will go toward the cost of essential services, including liability insurance for those participating in approved Scouting activities, program resources, safety standards, youth protection and personal safety training, and services to councils nationwide to sustain Scouting. The National organization will also continue to develop and improve resources that support our volunteers and youth members such as online registration, Member Care and Scoutbook, which now includes the Den Leader experience to ensure the safe and consistent delivery of Cub Scouting; as well as improvements aimed at simplifying the annual renewal process. The fee increases above are paid directly to the BSA. Including the $12 local insurance fee, that Heart of New England Council announced earlier this year, the recharter fees for 2020 will be: $60 for each unit charter fee $72 for each youth participant in Cub Scouts, Scouts BSA, Venturing $48 for each youth participant in Exploring $48 for each adult leader (includes cost of background check and Scouting Magazine) The BSA will be sending out additional information through ScoutWire and Bryan on Scouting regarding their need for this increase. We realize that the timing of this increase is challenging for our units. Heart of New England Council’s board communicated our frustration regarding this process to the National Executive Committee. Our council will continue to provide need-based financial assistance that can help a family with financial barriers towards participation in Scouting. We will also provide a method for your unit to request up to 3% in additional popcorn commission for units who need assistance managing this change. Details will be available in November. from FAQ: Q: How will these fees be used? A: Every dollar of membership fees will go to cover the cost of essential services, including liability insurance for members participating in approved Scouting activities, background checks for adult leaders, program development and training resources, continuously updated youth protection and youth safety training, improved IT/digital experiences and services to our councils nationwide.
  27. Cleveland Rocks

    Best Time for Scouting for Food

    It depends on the GSUSA council. Some councils have essentially told their membership to avoid us like the plague, while others don't care. Our troop has done Scouting For Food drives for years on the weekends right after Thanksgiving. Each of the last two years, we've had Girl Scouts join us and haven't had any issues or pushback from the local GSUSA council. We plan on having them join us again this year.
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