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  2. Liz

    Baloo Training

    Well, I made it, and they didn't make any noise about turning me away! LOL! They actually had a fair amount of combined training. We spent the morning and through lunch with the people there for IOLS and then broke out into separate groups for the afternoon. My understanding is the SMS training (which I've already had) began the evening before. It was held at the hosting district's Camporee. I can't say I learned a lot I didn't already know, but what do you do? I do understand why it's important to ensure someone on every campout knows how to put together a first aid kit at least.
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  4. Thanks for the pointer about her father's website. I read the text there and it sounds like he's taking credit for it. Seems to be positioning himself as a advocate for civil rights. I imagine you can do that through influence and activism and avoid lawsuits. I don't recall hearing that in the case of the BSA that change happened because of lawsuits - but again, if someone can point to a reference, I'm happy to learn here. On Sydney - I understand what you're saying. If I have this correctly, you dislike that she pursued finding a way to get credit for her Scouting activities prior to becoming an "officially registered" member of Scouts BSA. It was one thing to ask for gender equality - another thing to push for a special exception for girls now joining. Fair point. I guess I don't mind so much that she lobbied and eventually found a way to get some back credit. Yeah, it's probably unfair to the legions of girls who won't be able to do the same. But, I'm sympathetic to the argument that "Hey, in a time where I was an unofficial member, I did all this stuff. Why do I need to do it all over again, and in the process, delay achieving the rank of Eagle?" If it were my daughter, I can imagine a similar conversation. In my family, we'd have accepted the results and moved on. But, he family is more familar with advocating for stuff like this and so they pursued it. Again, unfair? Sure, probably. But, she does have enough of a point that I'm not going to criticize her from pursuing it. Instead I'd tell her - go for it, maybe you'll win, maybe you won't, but it's a fair arugment to make.
  5. Strange that her father's law firm website seems to suggest they were involved, then. Her fight and determination are what I always liked about her. Her involvement in getting the BSA to change the policy on girls is an example of bravery that few adults could ever muster. I wouldn't want that spotlight, that attention, that pressure. I don't want scouts to be quiet in the face of something they believe should be different. But there's a right and wrong way to approach those issues. My support for Sydney ceased when she got what she wanted and it still wasn't good enough because it wasn't on her terms. The BSA gave her a path to Eagle. She wanted something different. While I would encourage any scout to speak up for something they believe in, I would also have to encourage them to accept the outcome if they try to change something and it doesn't go exactly as they would like it to. They can't always win. Sometimes you fight and lose, or fight and get something a little different than what you wanted, and sometimes that's as far as the fight should go. Sydney fought hard and won a huge victory for girls in the BSA. She should be proud of that. What I find disrespectful about her actions now is that she has essentially decided to just do things her way regardless of what the BSA says. She put that Life rank on even though the BSA specifically outlined what she would have to do to earn it, and that past activities would not be credited. They didn't say she can't be an Eagle Scout. They outlined what she would have to do to earn the rank, and she said no, I'll do it my own way. I admire her determination, I really do. I wrote letters to BSA National in support of her. But I greatly dislike what has transpired since the policy change, and her refusal to accept fair terms from the BSA on how she could reach her goal.
  6. SSScout

    Baloo Training

    Wow, just getting caught up with my 'net stuff. We just had our combo IOLS/BALOO course up near Harpers Ferry, this past 17-18 May also ! Well attended, rained on, campfire was both outdoor and under cover.... All good reviews. The BALOOvians came away with the BALOO cert (they all had the online stuff done !) AND the SMS stuff , so when the time comes, they will not need to take IOLS again ! Only the indoor SMS material. Every Council/District training committee needs to consider, the BALOO and IOLS curriculum are VERY similar. Almost identical. Why not combine them , with some Cub philosophy sections as necessary. It works for us.... I only wish "they" had approved the idea of the SMS folks receiving the BALOO cert too. Why couldn't a ASM accompany a Cub Pack camping?
  7. David CO

    Snake bites victimize parents as much as campers

    I would guess that the hospital that stocks the antivenom ends up discarding a lot of unused and expired drugs. The consumer (snake bite victim) pays for it. It would be unfair to ask a hospital or pharmacy to keep the drugs in stock if they couldn't pass on the cost of unused medications to the patients.
  8. fred8033

    How to increase usage of Patrol Method

    Rough idea ... stop troop camping. Maybe troop summer camp and a troop district camporee. Beyond that, patrols should function as patrols. Choose their activities and schedule. Find their own camps. If you really want patrols to function as patrols, minimize the troop focus. I say this as a rough idea because every troop calendar I've seen has a monthly troop focus with some sporadic higher adventure activity. I never see an annual calendar for the patrols. Maybe asking the patrols to have one or two months each year where they focus on creating the coolest patrol campout or activity. One patrol goes caving. Another does a canoe trip. Another does a state park. Maybe another does a bike trip.
  9. Liz

    Baloo Training

    Looks like I can get a membership card using the iPhone myScouting app too.
  10. Liz

    Baloo Training

    Yes, I do have two. One for this Council and one for CPC since that's where we used to live when my older kids were in Scouts. I'll bring a copy of both.
  11. Thunderbird

    Baloo Training

    LOL! Don't worry about it if you can't get it. The main thing is that you have the correct BSA ID # (some people have multiple, and this can cause issues).
  12. Liz

    Baloo Training

    Ok. Our Cubmaster is technologically challenged and our CC may not be available on this short of notice but I'll see. Thanks!!!
  13. Thunderbird

    Baloo Training

    Your Cubmaster, Pack Committee Chair, or Chartered Org. Rep. can access your membership card at my.scouting.org by using the Member Manager. They can download it as a pdf and e-mail it to you or they can print it out for you.
  14. Liz

    Baloo Training

    Well, the website let me register so hopefully that means it isn't full. And I have Celiac so I have to pack my own food anyway as I can't eat their food. I wonder whether I have a membership card. Is there a place that can be downloaded from my.scouting or anything like that? My YPT certificate at least has my member number on it.
  15. I cannot seem to find a reference where she filed any lawsuits to become an Eagle Scout. I cannot even seem to find a reference that she filed a lawsuit ot become a member of the Boy Scouts. Best I can find is that she started a change.org petition and was the subject of several articles. Further, I can't seem to see anything where she's prioritized herself over the needs of others. I'm happy to be provided some sources that show this. But, let's say she did file a lawsuit. How is pushing for Scouting credit that she honestly believes she earned prioritizing herself over others? Again, isn't fighting for something you believe is right a sign of a strong leader? Why would we want any Scout to just sit down and be quiet in a situation like that?
  16. Thunderbird

    Baloo Training

    @Liz I would go anyway, but there is the risk that they might turn you away. If you do go, I would recommend taking a copy of your BSA membership card with you (if you have access to it). This would allow them to see that you're currently registered with a pack and everything. The fact that you are from a different council shouldn't matter. It is possible that the class is full or that they didn't order enough food for Scouters who show up at the last minute. But they might feel sorry for you and let you stay anyway! LOL! 🤔
  17. Liz

    Baloo Training

    Well, I haven't heard back from the organizer of the CPC training that takes place tomorrow. Probably because it's being done during a Campboree which starts tonight and they're likely busy. The registration form didn't give me an option to select "out of council" so I just picked the district I used to be involved in and registered anyway. I have also completed the online portion of the training. What would you do? I don't want to leave the house at 6:30 AM and drive 2.5 hours to be turned away because I'm out of council. Should I just take a print-out showing my completion of YPT and the online Baloo prerequisite and go? Has anybody ever had an issue taking this training in a different Council?
  18. When our troop did a campfire style show for the community in January of 2018 they had to include one of their favorite skits that they call the Motorcycle Gang. Has your troop ever done this skit? https://youtu.be/bfX3u6V1AXI
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  20. I don't mind that she has expressed interest, but I would like to think that if someone put her interest in a proper context, she would see that it's inappropriate to the entire ethos of attaining the rank of Eagle. And I agree, a bit of ambition is not a bad thing. Ambition big enough to prioritize yourself far above the needs of others, to the point of engaging in legal action to attempt to accomplish this, is the antithesis of servant leadership.
  21. Myself, I'd prefer that the BSA not make a big deal out of the first female Eagle, setting dates and processes to prevent the first, or anthing related that. I tihnk doing so puts Eagle in the wrong light. I would really prefer a statement that the BSA will not track, report, or acknowledge who the first female is to earn the rank of Eagle. When I think of being an Eagle Scout, I think the honor come from the process of becoming an Eagle - not the act of completing the requirements. That any Scout completes the requirements and then waits a year or two seems rather sill to me. But, if this is what the BSA wants to do then fine. I don't mind that she has expressed interest in being the first one. It just says to me that she's ambitious. I think you've got to be a little ambitious to want to earn Eagle in the first place, so I don't mind that she's got a little extra ambition there. We're not raising monks - we're helping to develop leaders. A little ambition in a leader is a good thing.
  22. Liz

    Baloo Training

    This one might work!!! Thanks for your help!
  23. Over 100 years later we still talk about Arthur Eldred. It would be a lot more than 15 minutes of fame and she knows it.
  24. Unfortunately, while this is true for the Boys, it is not true for the Girls. This is why National has decided that there will be no "first female Eagle", and instead has decided to have a uniform BOR date for the initial "class" of female Eagles. To make an exception for one scout who happens to have an exceptionally powerful PR apparatus, is an insult to all the other young women who have been excellent scouts in everything but registration status over the past 100 years. The fact that being "first" matters to Miss Ireland, is, unfortunately, probably one of the most sound reasons to believe that she doesn't actually deserve that honor...
  25. No, not at all. It's telling her that the experience of others is not less meaningful than hers. By pushing to be first she is attempting to declare that her experience is more valuable and worthy than theirs. I am wondering whether she knows this. The fact that she's probably better qualified than some of the boys receiving Eagle, says nothing about whether it's appropriate for her to jump to the head of the line. I see a whole lot of scouts who wear the patch, but never earned the rank.
  26. I think I'm sticking up for her a little here because I think that is what is largely going on here. People dislike that she was challenging the status quo and that she had some role in co-ed Scouting. Food for thought - but your question is telling her that her Scouting experience is less meaningful than that of other scouts. Why do you think this? The council advancement committee signed off on her advancement from work in Canada as being equivalent. Second, she completed many (all?) of the requirements unofficially as a tag along member. Third, she demonstrated clear leadership in her involvement as part of the process to bring the BSA programs to girls. It strikes me that there's an argument here that she is more qualified to be an Eagle than the majority of boys who are earning the rank. I would suggest that posing this question feeds into the kind of nonsense around Eagle that many here decry. The first female Eagle Scout is no more special than the hundredth, thousandath, or millionth. I keep coming back to the same thought. Why on earth would she waste all this energy - being a tagalong, joining Scouts Canada, lobbying for grls in the BSA, just so that she could become the first female Eagle Scout. Achieving that gets her a cloth patch and maybe 15 minutes of fame. Whatever benefit she derives from being the first Eagle Scout is completly eclipsed by her actions in helping to bring about Scouts BSA for girls.
  27. an_old_DC

    What can SM do for son's advancement?

    When I was Scoutmaster I signed off on rank requirements and SM conferences for all three of my sons. Whenever somebody questioned whether I should do that or not, I said "find me somebody in our troop who knows more about Scouting, the patrol method and Scout skills than I do and I will be happy to have my sons meet with them." There wasn't anybody. My older son told me one of his friends once said that he is lucky to have his dad be the SM because its easy. My son replied "Yeah, well you don't have a SM conference in the car after every meeting or campout asking how things went, what went well, and how things that went bad could be fixed." All three sons also grew up with me taking them in the backyard to start a fire with a magnifying glass, "helping" me fix a cut rope by whipping or fusing the end, etc. That said, the SM before me usually had his son meet with me and wouldn't sign his son's handbook. He was new to Scouting though and also realized his limitations.
  28. She spent summers in Canada. My understanding is that this is where she did Canadian scout stuff - not the Manhattan troop.
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    • Well, I made it, and they didn't make any noise about turning me away! LOL! They actually had a fair amount of combined training. We spent the morning and through lunch with the people there for IOLS and then broke out into separate groups for the afternoon. My understanding is the SMS training (which I've already had) began the evening before. It was held at the hosting district's Camporee.  I can't say I learned a lot I didn't already know, but what do you do? I do understand why it's important to ensure someone on every campout knows how to put together a first aid kit at least.
    • Thanks for the pointer about her father's website.  I read the text there and it sounds like he's taking credit for it.  Seems to be positioning himself as a advocate for civil rights.  I imagine you can do that through influence and activism and avoid lawsuits.  I don't recall hearing that in the case of the BSA that change happened because of lawsuits - but again, if someone can point to a reference, I'm happy to learn here. On Sydney - I understand what you're saying.  If I have this correctly, you dislike that she pursued finding a way to get credit for her Scouting activities prior to becoming an "officially registered" member of Scouts BSA.  It was one thing to ask for gender equality - another thing to push for a special exception for girls now joining.  Fair point. I guess I don't mind so much that she lobbied and eventually found a way to get some back credit.  Yeah, it's probably unfair to the legions of girls who won't be able to do the same.  But, I'm sympathetic to the argument that "Hey, in a time where I was an unofficial member, I did all this stuff.  Why do I need to do it all over again, and in the process, delay achieving the rank of Eagle?"   If it were my daughter, I can imagine a similar conversation.  In my family, we'd have accepted the results and moved on.  But, he family is more familar with advocating for stuff like this and so they pursued it.  Again, unfair?  Sure, probably.   But, she does have enough of a point that I'm not going to criticize her from pursuing it.  Instead I'd tell her - go for it, maybe you'll win, maybe you won't, but it's a fair arugment to make.      
    • Strange that her father's law firm website seems to suggest they were involved, then. Her fight and determination are what I always liked about her. Her involvement in getting the BSA to change the policy on girls is an example of bravery that few adults could ever muster. I wouldn't want that spotlight, that attention, that pressure.  I don't want scouts to be quiet in the face of something they believe should be different. But there's a right and wrong way to approach those issues. My support for Sydney ceased when she got what she wanted and it still wasn't good enough because it wasn't on her terms. The BSA gave her a path to Eagle. She wanted something different.  While I would encourage any scout to speak up for something they believe in, I would also have to encourage them to accept the outcome if they try to change something and it doesn't go exactly as they would like it to. They can't always win. Sometimes you fight and lose, or fight and get something a little different than what you wanted, and sometimes that's as far as the fight should go.  Sydney fought hard and won a huge victory for girls in the BSA. She should be proud of that. What I find disrespectful about her actions now is that she has essentially decided to just do things her way regardless of what the BSA says. She put that Life rank on even though the BSA specifically outlined what she would have to do to earn it, and that past activities would not be credited. They didn't say she can't be an Eagle Scout. They outlined what she would have to do to earn the rank, and she said no, I'll do it my own way. I admire her determination, I really do. I wrote letters to BSA National in support of her. But I greatly dislike what has transpired since the policy change, and her refusal to accept fair terms from the BSA on how she could reach her goal. 
    • Wow, just getting caught up with my  'net stuff.  We just had our combo IOLS/BALOO course up near Harpers Ferry, this past  17-18 May also !   Well attended, rained on,   campfire was both outdoor and under cover....  All good reviews.   The BALOOvians came away with the BALOO cert (they all had the online stuff done !)  AND the SMS stuff , so when the time comes, they will not need to take IOLS again !  Only the indoor SMS material.  Every Council/District training committee needs to consider, the BALOO and IOLS curriculum are VERY similar. Almost identical.   Why not combine them , with some Cub philosophy sections as necessary.   It works for us....   I only wish "they" had approved the idea of the SMS folks receiving the BALOO cert too.  Why couldn't a ASM accompany a Cub Pack camping? 
    • I would guess that the hospital that stocks the antivenom ends up discarding a lot of unused and expired drugs. The consumer (snake bite victim) pays for it. It would be unfair to ask a hospital or pharmacy to keep the drugs in stock if they couldn't pass on the cost of unused medications to the patients.
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