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  2. ParkMan

    possible fee increase coming

    I'd encourage you to look at it from the other side. The BSA has worked very hard to establish itself as an organization that takes youth protection very seriously at all times. That means we have to embrace youth protection rules even when it's inconvenient. Yes, I grant that having to provide two deep registered adult leadership for Eagle projects is difficult, but protecting youth is more important.
  3. PACAN

    possible fee increase coming

    @mds3dRemember you signed the Eagle Workbook saying you had read the entire workbook which includes following the above paragraph 9.0.2.14
  4. Sorry to append to my own post. From the article, I think she's a member of Suffolk County Council. On their website, they have an Eagle Scout Preparation Guide. It's at: https://www.sccbsa.org/files/21999/Eagle-Scout-Preparation-Guide In there, the only reference to Eagle Boards of Review says: So I have to imagine that she properly filed the application. Wither the council isn't forwarding the application or their district advancement committee is following instructions and not scheduling the board of review. I wasn't aware of rule 8.0.0.2 quoted in the article. It says: Later in 8.0.3.0 Particulars for the Eagle Scout Rank Her argument appears technically correct. If the BSA wanted a special exception for girls, then they should have rewritten all of this.
  5. Thunderbird

    possible fee increase coming

    I am sure that the rule is all about insurance and risk mitigation. If someone is helping a Scout on an Eagle service project and gets hurt, then they could sue the BSA. It doesn't matter if the person who gets hurt is a member of the BSA or not.
  6. mds3d

    possible fee increase coming

    I was mistaken. Doesn't make it not a stupid rule. I would hate to have had to plan my project around as many people as I did plus getting two, over 21, registered adults there the entire time as well. What is dumb would be that my project was completed over about 8 days of work. Who decides which of those days were activities and which weren't? Only 2 had other scouts there. Man, now I feel like an old man shaking my fist at a cloud...
  7. Agreed. It would strike me that these are the key passages: I have to imagine that the valid ways to delay a EBOR are: 1. The council advancement committee declares the process is that they schedule them and then decide not to schedule one for girls who request them. 2. The council does not verify the application because she is a girl From the rules I see, these are the only valid ways I could find.
  8. Thunderbird

    possible fee increase coming

    The Eagle Scout Service Project Workbook (screenshot below) and the Guide to Advancement both say that Eagle Scout projects are Scouting activities and all Guide to Safe Scouting rules apply (including YPT, two-deep leadership, etc.).
  9. Today
  10. RememberSchiff

    Interesting observation - rank advancement

    IMO , it could happen. Her REAL EBOR may raise concerns over this and the appeal process takes time. She may miss the first class of female eagles deadline.
  11. ParkMan

    possible fee increase coming

    Fully agree and well said. I think National's been pretty consistent on this. If it looks like a Scout activity, two deep registered adult leadership over 21.
  12. Taking a 1st Aid Course now. The EMT and nurse teaching it swears by q-tips dipped in dishwashing liquid for tick removal.
  13. Eagle94-A1

    possible fee increase coming

    True, but according to National, 2 registered adults over 21 must be present as it is now considered a troop activity.
  14. Chisos

    possible fee increase coming

    But the leadership does not have to be of scouts. The candidate could lead a group of friends from the marching band, or the football team, or the church youth group.
  15. Eagle94-A1

    possible fee increase coming

    @mds3d, Eagle Projects being considered a troop activity is a relatively new thing, within the past 10 years if memory serves. As for requiring 2 adults over 21 to be present, that came about October 1, 2018, when patrols could no longer do day activities and meetings without 2 adults over 21 present. Had that discussion with my oldest as we had some challenges getting a 2nd registered adult for his first workday. Worked it out with a neighboring council's council commissioner who worked at the place it was being done at. Between his periodic visits, and other Scouters working at the hospital to see what was up, we had it covered. But we both longed for the days where I and my buddies worked on my project with my mom only providing transportation, and snacks
  16. Buggie

    possible fee increase coming

    Except of course, that the scout has to show leadership and you'd have a tough time selling that leadership of one counts.
  17. Do you really trust National? I have been told a lot of things that National would not do over the years, only to see them change policy and do it. And National does not have a history of being Trustworthy. Look at the "Prohibited Activities FAQ" found here: https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/prohibited-activities-faqs/ . One Questions is "Q. Why can we no longer play dodgeball? A. Dodgeball has never been an authorized activity in Scouting....." Even after pointing out this error to National by showing them a Scouting.org link it saying it is an approved game and asking them to change the the answer, they didn't. Instead they pulled a 1984 and took down the scouting.org link that showed it was indeed an approved activity, and kept the lie. And Dodgeball had been an approved game since 1911. Pages 312 to 213 of the 1911 Handbook for Boys has it listed as an indoor game for Scouts. So I don't trust national anymore.
  18. HashTagScouts

    possible fee increase coming

    Two registered adult leaders 21 years of age or over are required at all Scouting activities, including meetings. from G2SS. Nothing reads as conflicting to me about that.
  19. RememberSchiff

    BSA’s new Background Check Authorization Form

    Good , remove that clause. This would give the accused and his/her attorneys time to review the CRA, any other documents , and respond. Over the years, we have had a few good people rejected for reasons unknown and no appeal. If Council knew, they were not saying. Second point, understood. If I reject their conditions, I am free to serve elsewhere. Well at least there is no "do not disparage" clause , well not in writing anyway. Where would I be then?
  20. Even saying that might count as disclosure to a third party to the Chartering Organization. And most lawyers have seemed to say that the language used is broad because its directly quoting the FCRA.
  21. yknot

    possible fee increase coming

    What??? If you've got a scout involved, all BSA policies apply.
  22. Since they are separate legal entities "clients" probably includes your council and troop. Without that clause then the most they could do would be to respond with "nope, not that guy." What private information are you worried about? They have stated they aren't doing credit checks. I think people should be ready for these things to just be rejected if they have pen changes on them (if anyone actually reviews them). You guys should see the authorizations I signed for every healthcare job I have had.
  23. mds3d

    possible fee increase coming

    Quickly since it is unrelated. I would say that Eagle projects are "scout adjacent" but not exactly scout activities. Your helpers don't have to be scouts or scouters and there are no requirements that any of your helpers are involved. An eagle project could theoretically be completed with no work from a scout other than the Eagle candidate himself. That fact to me says this isn't a troop activity and doesn't need two over 21. (2 adults for YPT is still a good idea probably but I am not sure you would actually have to require them to be YPT trained). Of course, like many things there seems to be conflicting information.
  24. She didn't really annoy me before. She does now. This "board of review" wasn't very scout like in it's conduction. She also seems to not understand that her age won't be a factor in 2020. I really think she just wants to be "first." I really hope the BSA makes a giant deal of the first class of female eagles and intentionally doesn't include her in any of it.
  25. 5thGenTexan

    First Campout...

    ... as Cubmaster. Its a Council camp specifically for new Scouts and their families, but everyone in the Pack is invited. Meals will be in the dining hall, and there is program all day long ending with a big campfire. I don't have to plan meals, cook, or provide much. After the big fire we are going to have a small fire at our campsite just for the new Scouts to not feel like they are missing out. I plan on having the Pack sing Vespers before going to bed, aside from that I don't have much "planned". If I dont make it back alive, please don't forget me. 🤣
  26. Yesterday
  27. swilliams

    possible fee increase coming

    I'll have to ask our Committee Chair. A scout came to the last committee meeting to give us his Eagle proposal, and the CC brought it up then. It seemed to me like it was a new requirement, but I couldn't say for sure. We had always gone with two adults on Eagle projects, one with YPT, and one was always a parent.
  28. Cubmaster Pete

    possible fee increase coming

    Most of that post was due to dumpster fire of a week (scouting and non) and a aggrivating comment a den leader made last night. I feel better, thanks. I like the therapy here. 😂😂
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    • I'd encourage you to look at it from the other side.   The BSA has worked very hard to establish itself as an organization that takes youth protection very seriously at all times.  That means we have to embrace youth protection rules even when it's inconvenient.  Yes, I grant that having to provide two deep registered adult leadership for Eagle projects is difficult, but protecting youth is more important.  
    • @mds3dRemember you signed the Eagle Workbook saying you had read the entire workbook which includes following the above paragraph 9.0.2.14 
    • Sorry to append to my own post.  From the article, I think she's a member of Suffolk County Council.  On their website, they have an Eagle Scout Preparation Guide.  It's at: https://www.sccbsa.org/files/21999/Eagle-Scout-Preparation-Guide In there, the only reference to Eagle Boards of Review says: So I have to imagine that she properly filed the application.  Wither the council isn't forwarding the application or their district advancement committee is following instructions and not scheduling the board of review. I wasn't aware of rule 8.0.0.2 quoted in the article.  It says: Later in 8.0.3.0 Particulars for the Eagle Scout Rank   Her argument appears technically correct.  If the BSA wanted a special exception for girls, then they should have rewritten all of this.  
    • I am sure that the rule is all about insurance and risk mitigation.  If someone is helping a Scout on an Eagle service project and gets hurt, then they could sue the BSA.  It doesn't matter if the person who gets hurt is a member of the BSA or not.
    • I was mistaken.  Doesn't make it not a stupid rule.  I would hate to have had to plan my project around as many people as I did plus getting two, over 21, registered adults there the entire time as well.   What is dumb would be that my project was completed over about 8 days of work.  Who decides which of those days were activities and which weren't? Only 2 had other scouts there.  Man, now I feel like an old man shaking my fist at a cloud...
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