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  2. Jameson76

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    Saw it on a site
  3. Thunderbird

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    @Jameson76 Did they post it on a BSA website? Or send it out via e-mail? I have not received anything yet.
  4. WAKWIB

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    Here's how it's rolling out in my corner of the world. http://www.hoac-bsa.org/Data/Sites/1/media/membership/hoac-membership-fee-structure-overview.pdf
  5. Treflienne

    "Good" Groups vs. "Bad" Groups

    I think that one big difference is the attitude towards newcomers or outsiders. The term "clique" is often used of groups that exclude or heap scorn on outsiders or on those who do not measure up to their standards. (For girls it might be: not stylish enough, not thin enough, not rich enough, haven't lived in town long enough . . .) A group of close friends who is friendly and welcoming to newcomers would not merit the derrogatory term "clique". For a patrols, the practical question is how well do they treat new patrol members. Are the scouts truly being "A friend to all, and a brother to every other scout"? (Or "sibling", if the girls prefer that terminology.)
  6. Snow Owl

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    Gulf Coast Council also emailed the increase out at noon today. The cat is well out of the bag.
  7. Jackdaws

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    Whelp Effective January 1, 2020 the membership fee at registration-recharter in the North Florida Council is: $72 per youth member in Cub Scouts, Scouts BSA, Venturing and Sea Scouts $60 goes to the National Council $12 stays with the North Florida Council $48 per youth member registered in Exploring $36 goes to the National Council $12 stays with the North Florida Council $48 per registered Adult Member $36 goes to the National Council $12 stays with the North Florida Council This is worrisome: Q: Some Scout Councils across the Country charge a “Program Fee” in addition to the membership fee . Is that allowed? A: Starting August 1, 2020, Local Scout Councils can choose to charge a local program fee, up to but no more than the national membership fee – up to $60 for youth members in Cub Scouts, Scouts BSA, Venturing and Sea Scouts; up to $36 for youth members in Exploring and up to $36 for adult members. The local program fee can include local insurance costs (i.e., accident, property, etc.), as well as cost to administer unique local programming efforts. Please note- The North Florida Council, BSA does not currently charge a Program Fee. Q: The North Florida Council collects $12 at recharter to cover insurance. Does this change mean that fee is no longer necessary? A: No, the liability insurance that we need to carry for all Scouting activities at the national level is different from local North Florida Council fees that are collected to address local needs, which can include such as local property and accident insurance, as well as unique local programming costs. So I fully expect to get hit with even more fees in 2020 for the 2021 year.
  8. Jameson76

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    the OFFICIAL word from the BSA's National Communications Team: "For more than 100 years, Scouting has helped build future leaders by combining educational activities and lifelong values with fun and adventure in the outdoors. At Boy Scouts of America, we are dedicated to developing leaders of character by preparing young men and women for life by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Scout Law. The timeless ideals of the Scout Law, such as being trustworthy, helpful, kind and brave, make up the foundation young people need to address and overcome challenges in their lives and the issues facing their generation. Now as we continue the Scouting mission, it is important that we keep pace with an ever-changing world. While costs to the organization have increased every year, the Boy Scouts of America has worked to keep the annual membership fee as low as possible by subsidizing core costs, including liability insurance we must carry to cover all official Scouting activities. Unfortunately, it is no longer possible to subsidize at the level we have in the past, especially as the cost of insurance has increased dramatically. We kept the cost low to make Scouting available to as many young people as possible but keeping the cost artificially low for many years now magnifies the impact of changes. To ensure we have the resources to fulfill the promise of Scouting despite increasing operating costs, the National Executive Board of the Boy Scouts of America has made the difficult but necessary decision to increase the annual membership fee effective January 1, 2020 to: - $60 for youth members in Cub Scouts, Scouts BSA, Venturing and Sea Scouts, - $36 for youth members in Exploring, and - $36 for adult members Every dollar of the national membership fee will go toward the cost of essential services, including liability insurance for those participating in approved Scouting activities, program resources, safety standards, youth protection and personal safety training, and services to councils nationwide to sustain Scouting. The National organization will also continue to develop and improve resources that support our volunteers and youth members such as online registration, Member Care and Scoutbook, which now includes the Den Leader experience to ensure the safe and consistent delivery of Cub Scouting; as well as improvements aimed at simplifying the annual renewal process. Across the country and in our own community, we know that Scouting remains one of the most valuable investments we can make to support young men and women today so they can become the leaders we will turn to tomorrow. From once-in-a-lifetime adventures to merit badges that spark interests and future careers; from campouts under the stars to service projects that leave a lasting impact on our communities; Scouting’s year-round program expands horizons and provides young people with a safe and welcoming place to learn, grow, and thrive. That is why we are committed to ensuring that all youth can experience the character-building benefits of Scouting regardless of their financial situation. In addition to our existing council and unit membership assistance, we have established a national Growing Future Leaders Fund, which is funded entirely through donations, to provide additional financial support to those who need it." (BSA Statement, 12:30pm Oct 23, 2019)
  9. Saltface

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    My council sent out a survey. As per policy, they didn't share the results. I don't think it will be very high. Of the 120 or so LDS troops in my district, two new troops have been formed. One of those new troops is specifically for those wanting to finish up their Eagle, I'm not sure about the other one.
  10. sierracharliescouter

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    The issue really isn't the $s, it is the last minute change announcement. If they announced this back in July or August, it wouldn't have had any big blow-back. Realistically, this is one or two cups of coffee per month difference for parents. Maybe 3 or 4 cups if they have multiple kids in the program. Go to the local donut shop for a cup instead of Starbucks. The donut shop has better coffee anyway. National continues to demonstrate they have no change management skills.
  11. qwazse

    What our the BSA priorities??

    @ParkMan, a great outdoor program involves inculcating a vision of the pinnacle scouting experience of hiking and camping independently with your mates. National policies directly impact my ability to offer that. Treading the graveled paths of SBR or any other HA base with minders around every corner is not a pinnacle scouting experience. It's nice, and inspiring. But it only translates into something meaningful if you can do what the Portugese scout we invited for dinner told us she does with her patrol back home. (I.e., they pick a place, let her SM and their parents know where they will go, arrange transportation, go, and report back upon their return.) I can't blame BSA for moving in ways that fend off litigation. But it means that their priority is in ensuring that the promise of scouting in every corner of this nation is delivered outside of the BSA.
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  13. Bowline

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    I fear many parents Or scouts who were on the edge about remaining in the program will choose to leave. For one of my units this is a 2k impact and we need to scramble about changing this fiscal years Unit dues or eating into the operating budget.
  14. 69RoadRunner

    Sustainable footwear

    I suspect that vegan shoes use a lot more petroleum based materials than leather shoes. Pick your poison.
  15. T2Eagle

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    I doubt they can know the 2021 numbers yet. The big unknown is how many LDS scouts and scouters will stick around. It probably won't be a lot, but it doesn't have to be a really high percentage to make a significant difference. Does anyone know if councils are making any concerted effort to get those folks to rejoin? Of all the recruiting that could be done they would seem to be the most fruitful group to target.
  16. Eagledad

    "Good" Groups vs. "Bad" Groups

    Good and Bad has to be defined. Cliques have a negative connotation, but aren't necessarily bad. I remember a story in Readers Digest about the filming the original Planet of the Apes. There were several different types of apes in the movie and Charlton Heston noticed at lunch one day that the different ape groups each hung together during breaks even though there was no reason to. Cliques are natural. Their behavior is what defines them as good or bad. I think the discussion for patrols can be more defined by casual friends and teams. I found that new patrols of casual friends didn't like holding each other accountable because they didn't like risking the friendship. But teams working toward a common goal will take the risk of holding each other accountable to support the effort of reaching the goal. Casual friends will act as a team when the common goal requires it but a patrol of causal friends without goals to drive them to work together isn't really a patrol in the patrol method since. They are just a group of friends with a common patrol patch on their sleeve. The patrol method itself doesn't build a team or patrol, the goals that drives the group to work together is the motivation to come together. Patrol Method is the Scouting process for developing good habits through the action of making decisions while working toward their goals. No goals, no decisions, no patrol method. Even something as simple as preparing a meal is a goal that forces the causal friends to team up. As the goals get more complicated like planning and doing a backpacking trek, the team makes more decisions, which typically forces the team to grow closer together from the growing respect of each other's efforts. Barry
  17. Eagle94-A1

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    While it is not as bad as it could have been, I still have concerns. I hope Nstional does not pull this stunt next year, i.e. waiting until the last minute to announce the change. Hopefully the will announce e the 2021 price hike tonite.
  18. Chisos

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    $60 was about what I was guessing. $5/month. Easy to do the math. Hopefully it will stick around for a while. I'll have to plug the numbers into my budget spreadsheet, but a small increase in our annual dues + a bit of belt tightening elsewhere and we should be ok.
  19. Thunderbird

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    Has the national BSA (not Circle 10) posted the new fees yet?
  20. 5thGenTexan

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    Circle 10 is in Dallas about 20 - 25 minutes from the National Office in Irving.
  21. Thunderbird

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    LOL! Circle 10 does have some Sea Scout ships, though. Here is an article about one: https://seascout.org/news/2015-national-flagship-named/
  22. MattR

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    Just a guess, but maybe the Circle 10 council is a long way from the sea? Like in the panhandle?
  23. Thunderbird

    Help With Internet Advancement

    OK. I use both Troopmaster and Scoutbook without any problems. It does make for double-entry, though. We are not a large troop, so it's usually not a problem (except after summer camp LOL). If you are able to access things in Internet Advancement (when it works), then you should also be able to access your troop in Scoutbook as a Troop Admin.
  24. MacBrave

    Where would you go?

    We have already advertised to our troop families that due to the timing of this increase we are going to have ask them to make up the difference between the old fee and new fee. With the recent announcement that looks to be $27 or so. Our troop currently covers the registration fee and boy's life through a weekly dues system, collected at troop meetings. Will probably have to double that amount come the first of the year............
  25. Scouters have all heard the oft-repeated quote that in scouting, "the patrol method isn't a method, it's THE method". Okay. So what is a "patrol"? Well, it's a group of scouts. Ideally, a group that can learn to work together and to develop and follow it's own leaders. So, if a group is "good" for helping youth develop their own leadership dynamics via "the patrol method", why are groups of friends viewed as a "bad thing" in other contexts? There was a story today on NPR about a school that is battling "cliques". That made me wonder how those "groups of friends" differed from the "groups of friends" we promote in scouting... Any thoughts? Story: https://www.npr.org/2019/10/23/772560418/wisconsin-school-breaks-up-lunchtime-cliques-with-assigned-seating
  26. Thunderbird

    BREAKING - Fee Increase Numbers

    They probably forgot that Sea Scouting is a separate program from Venturing.
  27. prof

    Best Time for Scouting for Food

    Given the strained relationship between Scouts BSA and the Girl Scouts, I wonder if this will continue to be a joint project.
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