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  2. Eagle94-A1

    Recommendations for canister stove

    @69RoadRunner THANK YOU!
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  4. MikeS72

    The "Right Way" to retire U.S. Flag...

    The other thing to remember when retiring flags, particularly with younger scouts, is the hazard presented by melting and dripping synthetic fabrics.
  5. MikeS72

    The "Right Way" to retire U.S. Flag...

    There is a nice article in the Bryan on Scouting blog about this subject. https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2014/09/08/retiring-worn-out-american-flags/ There is also a link to a script very similar to one we used a few years ago at Cub Day Camp. http://usscouts.org/ceremony/flagret1.asp
  6. RememberSchiff

    The "Right Way" to retire U.S. Flag...

    Interesting for disposal, by law, the national flag of Argentina is to be cut in a certain way before incinerated.
  7. Saltface

    The "Right Way" to retire U.S. Flag...

    I think most countries retire the flag through incineration (eg. Mexico, Argentina, UK). The hard part about finding flag protocol for other countries is that it's usually in another language. Argentina has a pretty robust flag code. Google translate butchers the text but you can get the idea: https://translate.google.com.ar/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.gob.gba.gov.ar/legislacion/legislacion/l-14438.html&prev=search. Trivia: they applaud the flag instead of saluting it when it passes. If I remember correctly, the US flag folding pattern is by custom, not by law.
  8. RememberSchiff

    Loveland Castle, Chateau Larouche (OH)

    A bakery? He must have made a lot of bread to build a castle.
  9. RememberSchiff

    The "Right Way" to retire U.S. Flag...

    When I had my Cubs den, I was curious of the flag protocols of other countries. I did not find much beyond fly flag in proper orientation. Nothing about folding, disposal. Do other countries have written flag codes? Hopefully the upcoming World Jamboree will shed light.
  10. ValleyBoy

    The "Right Way" to retire U.S. Flag...

    My Troop retires around 200 flags a year. The above is correct. The only thing that we absolutely do not do is refer to the flag retirement as a flag burning. We different people bring us a flag to be retired and tell us that they have a flag to be burned we tell them that we see a US Flag burning as a protest against our great country therefore we do not burn flags but retire the Flag by fire.
  11. Eagledad

    How to increase usage of Patrol Method

    Our troop slotted two months out of the year for patrol campouts. They were very popular for the scouts and adults who supported them. Fishing and hiking seemed to be the most popular theme. To further encourage patrol independence, they are asked to find their own rides for both scouts and gear for all camp outs. If they need additional space for gear, the PQM calls the TQM to reserve space in the trailer. If a patrol needs the troop trailer, they can request as well provided the driver and PQM have been trained and checked out by the TQM. I imagine insurance may have further requirements today. We also encourage patrols to travel independently from the troop (or troop trailer), but we found that some of the parks and camps don't like the groups checking in over several hours. Barry
  12. Eagle94-A1

    Why no "trained" shoulder emblem for NAYLE ?

    The folks who went to NJLIC, NAYLE's predecessor course, that I encountered were mighty proud of those patches. And uy my argument or not, BSA has a policy of only creating new patches if demand for them is over a certain number. Heck when I ordered Sea Scout stuff a few years back, I think it was 2015, the stuff still had "Sea Exploring" tags on it. and Sea Exploring died July 31, 1998. So 17 years later they still were getting rid of inventory.
  13. mrkstvns

    Why no "trained" shoulder emblem for NAYLE ?

    That's precisely why the shoulder emblem makes sense. NAYLE represents the highest level of leadership training a youth can reach, so the "normal" position on the sleeve is where it should be indicated --- not a "temporary" place that is unlikely to be used by most youth.
  14. qwazse

    Why no "trained" shoulder emblem for NAYLE ?

    I don't think any of us here designed the program, so you won't find a satisfying reason here. I suspect someone asked a focus group of youth what they'd like in terms of insignia, and they thought the temporary patch was good enough. If they had a NAYLE shoulder patch, then they'd have to swap it in. It's such a hassle tearing off those little patches just to put on new ones. This isn't GS/USA. You're not supposed to plaster yourself in patches for every scouting experience that you have. Pick your favorite for the field uniform, save the rest for a brag vest. I actually had a venturer told me that's why she liked the program.
  15. mrkstvns

    How to increase usage of Patrol Method

    Excellent idea! i'd advocate for giving the award to the patrol that goes furthest "outside" the rut of whatever the troop's usual themes and sites might be...encourage the kids to think for themselves.
  16. Call them and find out about their scholarships. https://www.nols.edu/en/resources/financial-aid-scholarships/ . The school is a non-profit. This course $245, about the same as a WB endeavor. Like many things, it' s a case of you get what you pay for, and if you do not have to call for Search and Rescue during scouting career it will have paid for itself on the first trip. BSA national has been in discussions with NOLS Risk Management Services, off and on, for the last 20 years about audits and consultations but never seems to get around to making a commitment.
  17. Around here, it's split even. Ours was general interest. If you like three-ring circuses, it's kinda fun. However, when a group can do anything, they have to spend a lot more time deciding what to do. That can be stressful for youth. If you know that you're about one thing, year-in and year-out, there will be a set number of events and sub-goals that dictate the schedule. Things go smoother, but some youth might feel that they are stuck in a rut.
  18. Just wondering whether it's more common for a Venturing crew to specialize in a certain kind of activity, or whether it's more common for them to do a smattering of whatever floats their boats... Any thoughts? See: https://venturingcrew.blogspot.com/p/what-will-our-crew-do.html
  19. Jameson76

    The "Right Way" to retire U.S. Flag...

    Wasn't that a running gag on Big Bang Theory and Sheldon and his "Fun With Flags" Youtube shows??
  20. I would love to take some of the NOLS courses.....just wish they weren't so EXPEN$IVE!!!
  21. mrkstvns

    Why no "trained" shoulder emblem for NAYLE ?

    I don't buy that argument. The high adventure bases already have pocket patches for NAYLE attendees, so what on earth would be the least little bit hard about having a small shoulder emblem too. They don't even have to sell it via the national scout shop....they could just stock it at the sites that offer NAYLE training. The pocket patch isn't really as useful as the shoulder emblem because it's then a "temporary" patch, vying for space with summer camp patches, high adventure base patches, and lots of award emblems like Nova awards, National Outdoor award patches, etc. Besides, a pocket patch for NAYLE is inconsistent with the way training is indicated for ILST and NYLT. Consistency is good and increases the visibility of leadership progression. Still looking for a GOOD reason for not having a NAYLE emblem....
  22. Eagle94-A1

    Why no "trained" shoulder emblem for NAYLE ?

    Not enough demand for it. I remember reading that there has to be X number of people eligible for it for them to produce it, excepting high level recognition like Silver Antelope. I am assuming there is a cool NAYLE temp patch. The previous course did.
  23. Scouts typically wear a "Trained" emblem on their shoulder if they completed ILST.... ...or a "NYLT" emblem if they completed more advanced leadership training.... ...but why isn't there a similar "NAYLE" emblem for the scouts who complete BSA's highest level youth leadership training?
  24. Eagledad

    BSA patrol method is lost in the fog

    Well, I'm with you, this isn't the subject thread to debate. All I'll say is my experience is the opposite of your bullet points. Sadly, your bullets suggest scouts don't mature past juvenile self-servingness. As for giving up on teaching, well I guess, but again you are defining the two different mentalities for mixed age and same age patrols. Mixed age relies on the role modeling to foster growth. Same age relies on outside instruction support for growth. Mixed age from its conception was intended for self-contained independent patrols. Same age patrols require an outside support structure. They are giving up on teaching because their experiment failed. Patrol method is designed for independent growth and teaching doesn't allow that kind of independence. The fears behind your bullets say you don't trust (or even believe) role modeling has power for developing character. I have worked and counseled many adult leaders with the same thoughts about role modeling. The same age patrol approach to youth development simply doesn't lend itself to the original design of Patrol Method, and your frustration is reflected in your original post asking "What is the guiding reason for having patrols?". Watching those adults, you either have to change your expectations of scout growth, or just take what you get and know it's the best you can do. Barry
  25. Jameson76

    The "Right Way" to retire U.S. Flag...

    So - The United States Flag Code, Title 4, Section 8k states-“The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem of display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.” Pretty much that is about the only instruction. There are many ways to do this is a dignified manner, and that interpretation (dignified manner) would be up to the unit and those performing the retirement
  26. I'm a media junkie and while prowling the news this morning, came across the following story about Boy Scouts retiring flags: https://www.nj.com/hunterdon/2019/05/boy-scout-troop-200-retires-us-flags-in-lebanon-borough.html One line in that story particularly jumped out at me: Local vexillologist and former Troop 200 Scoutmaster Larry Friend shared his extensive knowledge about the American flag and its history and explained the role of the Color Guard, the proper way to retire flags and flag etiquette. Now, every flag burning that I've ever attended was done just a bit differently from the others. My understanding was always that there isn't really any such thing as a "proper way to retire flags" ---- as long as your flag retirement is respectful, it's a good ceremony. Is there actually a "proper way" to retire flags? What are the elements of a "proper" flag burning ceremony?
  27. mrkstvns

    Loveland Castle, Chateau Larouche (OH)

    That sounds completely amazing. I just love hearing about people who think outside the box and let their dreams guide their actions. There is a somewhat similar story around these parts of a guy who owns a bakery in the town of Bellville, Texas. He visited castles in Europe and decided that he needed to build himself one too. The result is Newman's Castle which is open for tours to those who patronize his bakery... http://newmanscastle.com/
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