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  2. perdidochas

    Boys-only weeks at camp

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  3. David CO

    Girl Scouts vs. School Dress Code

    Yes, that is the philosophical question, but there are also some practical concerns. Our public schools were recently offered the opportunity to have a Spring Swim Night for each of our schools as a special after-school activity. The school board declined the generous offer, citing the anticipated difficulties they might face with inappropriate swimwear, and with students/parents taking on the role of social activists by loudly protesting the perceived body-shaming of girls. They did a roller skating party instead. I suspect that the only result we will get from such social activism is fewer fun activities for the kids.
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  5. qwazse

    Girl Scouts vs. School Dress Code

    Far be it from me to tell GS/USA what issues its girls and parents should address. It may be that this issue is confounding lots of GS Juniors, so their moms invited discussion. I'm certain some girls earned GS awards for tackling this issue in their school. So, maybe the organization provided helps to parents in similar situations -- suggesting ways that this could be a skills-acquisition moment. I've seen Bryan's blog write up similar topics on behalf of BSA and invite lots of discussion. But, I'm puzzled as to why someone payed for it to appear as a sponsored link on FB. Maybe GS/USA thinks that this was the kind of thing that would motivate others to follow its other posts? Maybe they just wanted to generate buzz ... good or bad? I guess, given that I posted here, they at least accomplished that.
  6. fred8033

    Trailer Recommendation

    Wow!!! That's a beast. Cool and fun to have, but still a beast. How well does it do getting pulled ?
  7. Eagledad

    Girl Scouts vs. School Dress Code

    Isn't civic action just actions at a larger scale? If all decisions are based from the Scout Law, then all actions are likely servant. I think what qwazse is saying (I could be wrong) is that the GSUSA shouldn't be encouraging scouts to act toward any specific (GSUSA sponsored) issue because they could have a different perspective locally. Teach the scouts to be responsible and learn all the specifics of the issue, any issue and they will make the right decision on this one. Barry
  8. MacBrave

    Trailer Recommendation

    The best recent picture I could quickly find of our troop's trailer. It's approximately 25 years old and the frame was custom built by a local metal fabricator. The rest of the trailer is mostly wood, designed and mostly built by our long time committee chair. It has a "kitchen" side, a "gear" side, and the back area is for general storage. Was originally painted a light green, with nice scouts graphics, chartered org. info etc. But after about 20 years that had faded pretty badly so the wood was sealed with a white wash. Still haven't gotten around to repainting, for a number of reasons.
  9. PinkPajamas

    Girl Scouts vs. School Dress Code

    I think this article is in line with their no uniform policy. Girls complained about their terribly regressive and unpractical uniforms and instead of modernizing, GSUSA got rid of uniforms. They think other organizations should/would listen and respond in a similar fashion. I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re seeing this surface again because GSUSA thinks no uniforms/no dress code is a selling point when compared to BSA. I remember complaining up a storm every time I had to put on my brown skirt and tights with the ugly orange bow tie 🤢completely different than my daughter who thought her blue uniform was awesome and is jumping at the bit to go to the bsa shop and get her tan and green. I’m sure the thinking is girls hated our uniforms therefor they’ll hate all uniforms.
  10. ParkMan

    Girl Scouts vs. School Dress Code

    It would seem that the philosophical question is - "who is responsible for the sexualitzation of girls bodies?" Is it the girls who wear revealing clothes, or is it the boys who respond to the girls choice of clothing? I imagine that most people would say - both. It probably also leads to a more general discussion of appropriate vs. inappropriate clothing and how the determiniation of what is appropriate is made. You could even then bring in a historical context - i.e., there was a time is was a scandal to see a woman's ankles. Now, no-one thinks twice about it. I'd agree with @qwazse - you want to focus on both. For me, I think we want to get Scouts thinking about how they make their own determination of what is right and wrong. Once they decide right and wrong, what they do with that knowledge is the big question. Ultimately, deciding what to do is a big part of leadership.
  11. Eagledad

    Trailer Recommendation

    This is what we did when our troop got to about 80 scouts. A troop in our district of 120 scouts showed us the advantages of using multiple smaller 6X8 trailers. The trailers can be pulled by mini vans if need. We are a back packing troop, so we encourage the patrols to take their own gear, mostly back packs if they can. If they can't their patrol QM contacts the Troop QM to request space in the trailer. The Troop QM is trained and responsible for the trailers, including keys. We typically only need one trailer to haul gear like troop tents, patrol tubs, shovels and dutch ovens. Mostly gear the patrols don't use on the trail. The real advantage of small multiple trailers is duri ng multiple troop activities. We do a lot of high adventure, so I is nice to having multiple trailers, especially with at least one smaller trailer that minivan can pull. Barry
  12. Jameson76

    Trailer Recommendation

    Keep the trailer small. We have an 80 person troop, camp with 30 - 40 most of the time. Trailer is (Interior) 7.5' L x 5.0' W x 5.5' H, single axle. Double doors on the back. Shelves down one side and then the floor holds the large patrol boxes. Can hold easily adult gear, the six patrol boxes, 7 tables (they fold), 8 tarps, and assorted random gear. Trailer can be hauled with SUV's and does not need any special setup. For summer camp we only haul trunks and it can take 18 - 20 of those. We bring another trailer for additional trunks Main thing (as many have said) look at tongue weight, hauling weight, special brakes hook up etc. Sort of like your basement, the larger the trailer the more stuff you will bring Don't fall into the trap of a trailer that cannot be hauled with the majority of vehicles the troop may have access to now AND going forward
  13. mashmaster

    Trailer Recommendation

    Recommend getting a trailer that can be towed by an F150 style pickup. That is a problem to expect people to have bigger trucks to tow the trailer and if you don't have one you have a trailer that can't get towed. It also is a strain on the vehicles. Also, we liked having a side door and two doors in the back vs. the single fold down door. We found a used trailer from a troop in the area that didn't need it anymore. Got a good deal. It might be worthwhile checking around to see if any troops have an extra trailer.
  14. mashmaster

    Hello from Columbus

    Welcome from Austin, Texas
  15. scoutmaster759

    Hello from Columbus

    Ha - I took the Scouts to Mohican State Park this weekend and as seems to be par for the course with every campout in the last 7 years - it rained, hard. So the Scout skills changed from planning for a hike with a significant rise to starting a fire in the rain. All sorts of fire starters - none of them worked. So the old man (me) said, "Boys, you're not building this thee right way. You need a tepee shape and the right starter" So of course in my backpack I have three small sticks of "pipestone" wood. I put my twigs together, kindling and the pipestone and then arrange all of the wood for easy access and staying dry under a tarp. Three strikes on flint with steel and a pocket of lint and the fire took off. You would think I was Harry Potter.... campfire. I think the boys now know two things: "pipestone" is common around us - use it and the tepee is the fastest way to go.
  16. scoutmaster759

    Hello from Columbus

    That is well said - "Will you be around for our Scouts" My two sons are in the Boy Scout troop but the oldest will age out next year and the youngest struggles at times but the unit is being built for the community, not just for us. I keep telling parents that they should "own it" and they will get more from it. Lack of parent involvement is an issue in the urban setting with single family parent and 3 kids or more.
  17. qwazse

    Girl Scouts vs. School Dress Code

    We had to deal with this as parents. Femurs grew, skirt didn't. The principle was doing his best to handle things discretely. Even so Mrs. Q took umbrage. Daughter wasn't offended, but also didn't think she had much agency in the situation. So, I understand the emotion. I just want to hear from an organization who is partnering with me recognize that my family (including children) might be in favor of their school's dress code -- and share advice on how I may help my daughter enter into this dialogue. With youth, always promote both civic action and servant leadership. Middle school kids often see things going on in a community that other folks miss. Their playground/pool might be impacted by budget cuts. There might be a dangerous intersection on the way to school. Or, a newly elected public official might need to know the issues important to youth.
  18. fred8033

    Trailer Recommendation

    Good choice. Of course, I'm laughing. Sometimes column advice doesn't match the needs of the original poster. I was far off. Of course, now your troop will require new scoutmasters to own a 3/4 ton pickup. Your choice is fine and makes sense. With a 80 person troop, I'd be tempted to have two trailers to support multiple events or allow people with smaller vehicles to help pull the trailer. I've always thought some months might be nice to split the troop (when we were larger). Those interested (younger patrols ??) could go to the district camporee and the more adventurous patrols could do a hiking trip or canoe trip. You might want to keep your existing trailer to support smaller events or to store less-used gear.
  19. Treflienne

    Girl Scouts vs. School Dress Code

    Another questions is do we in scouting (whichever branch) want to promote "civic action" or "servant leadership"? Which focus do we think is more appropriate for training middle school kids?
  20. Treflienne

    Girl Scouts vs. School Dress Code

    This piece of Girl Scout advice has been around for a while, and it lowered my opinion of GSUSA. I feel that it is very important for kids to realize that even well-meaning adults are occasionally mistaken, and a kid needs to be able to (hopefully politely) correct a teacher in certain circumstances. (One circumstance that comes to mind is the kid with food allergies -- he knows what he can safely eat much better that the teacher does. ) But school dress codes are a terrible example. I am happy that our local high-school has at least a few rules (no spaghetti straps) that discourage the over-sexualizing of teenage girls. GSUSA suggesting that girls should lobby for the right to dress inappropriately seems really wrong-headed to me.
  21. Not sure why, but this sponsored link kept popping up on my FB wall: Your Daughter vs. Her School Dress Code What I find interesting: Someone at GS/USA thinks this issue can be used to promote their brand. Appealing school restrictions on students is deemed a "civic action", but appealing the fashion industry's body-shaming arms race is not even a suggestion. At some point, any of us in BSA who've worked with young women come across this issue with our youth. In venturing, this is great fodder for ethical controversies. But, it's not something where I would tell parents that my advice is the reason they should trust their girls' personal growth to me. More importantly, if I were to present parent-facing material, I would present the multiple viewpoints of youths (both girls and boys) on the matter.
  22. prof

    Hello from Columbus

    Welcome to the campfire!!!!!
  23. qwazse

    Hello from Columbus

    This is the kind of family you want to come back to when your scouts start wanting to earn merit badges. Does the father or mother have a job or hobby that would allow them to serve as a MB counselor, or maybe they can comprise your committee? Your pitch would be "You asked me if I would be around for your boy. Now I'm asking, will you be around for our scouts?"
  24. Tpherr

    Trailer Recommendation

    All - thank you very much for all of the ideas and input. We are a large troop and have used a trailer for years but with 80 scouts in the troop and usually 50+ that attend summer camp, we needed a larger trailer for all the gear. I did see some great ideas on organizaion of trailers and will use some of what I found. I ordered a 7x14 trailer with dual axles, rounded front and seemless walls as we wrap our trailer with our Troop info. We also decided to go with a taller trailer (7' internal height) as we plan on building a false floor to store some of longer items that we currently hang on the walls. Hopefully it is delivered on time and we can do ur build out in time for summer camp. If anyone is interested in a 7x12 single axle trailer with a 6'6" intenal hieght, let me know, We will be sellting our current trailer once summer camp is over.
  25. scoutmaster759

    Hello from Columbus

    You know what.. that's a very good point. I know kids who have been in Scouts because they like to camp and have fun. I think if they get into Scouts and camp with us and have fun I can convince them that the badges are being completed just by having fun and that a bigger goal can do a lot of good for them in their lives.
  26. scoutmaster759

    Hello from Columbus

    We were preparing for a campout and I had a couple of Scouts load up a backpack with all of the gear we were taking with us. We went to the community center where we based the unit and as we walked in with the backpack a small crowd of kids followed us in wondering what we were doing. We sat down and showed them how to pack clothing, rolling it up, a first aid kit, water and the importance of water when hiking and camping. They stayed through the entire meeting. We are going to build a slide show and we will have a lot more chances to get their attention this summer. We based our unit at a community recreation center on purpose, because we knew the kids we wanted to reach out to were there. Now it's just getting them to convert. I was talking with my DE about inviting kids along on a campout without them being enrolled and were working through the issues of insurance, etc. They kind of frowned on it but the BSA has not been very successful in working in poor urban communities and doesn't alway get outside the box. We just had our first mulch sale and it covered the full costs of the boys going to summer camp so that's a hit. We talk to the kids and tell them that we can manage costs with fundraising and that they get to meet people in the community which is fun too. I will keep plying away at this one. I had one family ask me if I would be around for their son through the entire journey and I told them that I cannot guarantee anything but had no plans for leaving. Have lived in this community for 20 years and hoping to bring pride to community with the presence of Scouting and kids achieving and moving forward and taking on the adventures. Thanks for the ideas and support!
  27. qwazse

    Hello from the Mitten

    Welcome! And thanks for all you do for the youth!
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    • Edit: Decided not to comment.
    • Yes, that is the philosophical question, but there are also some practical concerns. Our public schools were recently offered the opportunity to have a Spring Swim Night for each of our schools as a special after-school activity. The school board declined the generous offer, citing the anticipated difficulties they might face with inappropriate swimwear, and with students/parents taking on the role of social activists by loudly protesting the perceived body-shaming of girls. They did a roller skating party instead. I suspect that the only result we will get from such social activism is fewer fun activities for the kids.  
    • Far be it from me to tell GS/USA what issues its girls and parents should address. It may be that this issue is confounding lots of GS Juniors, so their moms invited discussion. I'm certain some girls earned GS awards for tackling this issue in their school. So, maybe the organization provided helps to parents in similar situations -- suggesting ways that this could be a skills-acquisition moment. I've seen Bryan's blog write up similar topics on behalf of BSA and invite lots of discussion. But, I'm puzzled as to why someone payed for it to appear as a sponsored link on FB.  Maybe GS/USA thinks that this was the kind of thing that would motivate others to follow its other posts? Maybe they just wanted to generate buzz ... good or bad? I guess, given that I posted here, they at least accomplished that.
    • Wow!!!   That's a beast.  Cool and fun to have, but still a beast.  How well does it do getting pulled ?   
    • Isn't civic action just actions at a larger scale? If all decisions are based from the Scout Law, then all actions are likely servant. I think what qwazse is saying (I could be wrong) is that the GSUSA shouldn't be encouraging scouts to act toward any specific (GSUSA sponsored) issue because they could have a different perspective locally. Teach the scouts to be responsible and learn all the specifics of the issue, any issue and they will make the right decision on this one.  Barry
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