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    Court of Honor

    Have your SPL assign one of her Scouts to do research. there are a ton of scripts out there. Also there were some ideas int eh Troop Resources Book if memory serves.
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  4. I guess what I am getting at is that removing that sentence doesn't give them any reason to share their results with you. From my understanding, you have a right to a copy of a credit check but not necessarily a criminal background check. So, without that clause you still probably aren't getting to review what they found. What you seem to want is a clause that would require them to provide you a copy of whatever they find. What others are saying is that "approved or not" is a disclosure covered by this clause, i.e. this clause is necessary for them to provide a yes or no answer. If they answer no they are disclosing that there was something on a background check that is excluding you. It doesn't matter that they aren't disclosing what that is specifically. This is all a function of the structure of the BSA. If the councils and units were part of the legal entity that is the BSA National office then it wouldn't be an issue, but then lots of things would be different.
  5. Been a little while since I last swung by here but I thought I'd drop in and share my new favourite scout photos. There have been many over the years that sum up a moment in time and this is the latest in a long line. So last weekend my merry band of men and women were away on camp. And the weather was horrible. I mean grim. It was always forecast to be pretty wet but even we in England, with our 197 words for rain or whatever it is didn't expect quite this. It started raining around 8pm Friday night just as the scouts were putting up tents in the dark. It proceeded to rain, with varying intensity, for 32 hours non stop. The mathematicians will have worked out that was 4am Sunday morning. On top of that the last month in our corner of the world has been pretty soggy so the ground is saturated and all the wood wet. To be honest I was a bit worried. We had 3 totally new scouts with us, one of who didn't speak English, only mandarin, and 3 more who have been with us a few months but this was there first camp. How were the younger ones going to cope with the conditions? I shouldn't have worried, the new recruits through themselves into with massive enthusiasm and we had a full turn out of patrol leaders who led from the front. I was really quite amazed! For our chinese scout it turns out the card game Uno is the international system of comms for 11 year olds as well. The moment that summed it up though was late Saturday afternoon. The rain was hammering it down. Water everywhere. I was giving serious thought to pioneering an arc! Our newest, youngest scout, only turned 10 in July, asked if we could have a camp fire. I think the troop looked at her in utter bewilderment on mass. Her PL looked outside the mess tent and asked if she'd seen the weather. Yes! Apparently she had, but was still convinced she could light a fire. So off she went with a couple of the boys to give it a go. This photo was take half an hour later. Had she got one lit? No. She'd tried pine cones, silver birch bark, cotton wool balls, tumble drier lint. None of them would get the utterly sodden wood we could find to do anything more than briefly steam before fizzling out. Was she detered though? Was she hell! She continued to attack that pile of tinder with the matches with what I can only describe as reckless joy and abandon. Giving up only when I directly told she was getting a hot drink inside her, that was an order. Despite this conditions, despite me now having a stinking cold that I blame on that camp it was truly inspiring. Long may kids continue to have that lust for life and the outdoors!
  6. It's going to be time soon to start planning our Troop's first Court of Honor. Our girls are all young, inexperienced Scouts. I'm not sure any of them has ever attended a Court of Honor. Maybe one probably has because she has a brother in Scouts BSA. Typically, the CoH would be planned by the youth like all the other stuff, right? I've seen enough different ones in my "time" in Scouting that I have an idea of how I expect it to look and could totally do it, but I assume I shouldn't be doing that. So I'm looking for resources to offer to the girls so they can maybe have some varying examples to draw from to come up with their own CoH. Scripts? Videos on YouTube? Ideas for building a candle holder or...? Whatever. Or should they go crash the CoH for a couple of boy Troops in person?
  7. RememberSchiff

    BSA’s new Background Check Authorization Form

    Yes, National discloses their membership decision ( yes or "nope, not that guy.") to Council, my unit, and let me add CO, but not the information obtained from my personal background check.
  8. Isn’t that a disclosure though?
  9. I have carried a tick key in my first aid kit for a few years yet never used it. Over the summer at the camp I worked at, I got 3 ticks within a 24 hour period on the same leg. I’m still not sure how that happened, but that’s besides the point. I found them later at night, so they were on there for a few hours each time. I decided to try the tick key because I wouldn’t of been able to use tweezers in two spots due to it being an awkward angle. I must say, I’m a fool for never using this before. My ticks weren’t big but weren’t small. The key was so simple and effective. It took no more than 2 tries each to get rid of the whole entire tick. It took me less then a minute each time.
  10. RememberSchiff

    First Aid Kit Gadget: Tick Remover

    Tweezers from my Swiss army knife works for me, that and staying on the trail.
  11. RememberSchiff

    BSA’s new Background Check Authorization Form

    Remove this sentence "Except as otherwise prohibited by applicable law, I consent to and authorize the Company to share this information with Company’s current or prospective clients, customers, others with a need to know, and/or their agents for business reasons (e.g., to place me in certain positions, work sites, etc.). " Legally, the BSA can perform only the specific personal background checks related to YP which I consent. If I do not consent , no check is done and I am no longer a member. But if I do consent, my information (CRA, etc.) is only to be shared with me. If others want that information, they can submit a request to me stating who they are and reason. All Council and my unit need to know is National's membership decision: approved or not. I understand the BSA may revoke or approve my membership based on the information in those background checks. Either way, the BSA needs to understand I want to fact check that information (same as OK, MN, and NY folk), after all I paid for this screening with my registration fee.
  12. Why would removing that clause give anyone time to review the background check? The BSA isn't under any obligation to reveal what they find as far as I am aware. They would be more likely to just say "no" and move on. Once I had a volunteer rejected by national with no answer. Everyone around him was shocked but he didn't really seem as surprised as I thought. A couple years later I found out what probably showed up and I wasn't surprised national responded as they did. Background checks are there to identify people we think are good but have something hidden in their past. These background checks are part of our YPT process. Why would we be less serious about them than other things. I don't really trust anyone more than I have to. However, I see no reason for them to start doing credit checks. I don't know what is behind the dodgeball thing. My understanding is that that clause is there for compliance with FCRA.
  13. desertrat77

    First Aid Kit Gadget: Tick Remover

    From my old handbook, the famous ISP edition, 1972, coat tick with grease or oil. After it lets go, wash with soap and water. I recall a lit match or cigarette held close was also recommended back in the day. These days I find good success with the tweezers from my Swiss army knife and forego the grease/oil/gasoline/ammonia/match/cigarette. Soap and water is still adhered to.
  14. yknot

    possible fee increase coming

    They are not common but my point is that they are not unanticipated. BSA spent money lobbying to prevent changes to state laws that would open up the statute of limitations, so they were obviously well aware this could happen.
  15. ParkMan

    possible fee increase coming

    I think it's very common knowledge that the national organization of the BSA is the midst of 600 sexual abuse lawsuits and active bankruptcy planning. I'm sure they'd love to manage these as common occurrences, but I can accept that they are not common occurrences.
  16. Sentinel947

    possible fee increase coming

    I agree. On my own project I typically had my parents (non registered) and maybe one or two troop leaders over 21 who were registered. I remember for certain one of my work days I had a friend who was 18 as my second adult. My project was at the township park in full view of a busy road... certainly a public place. But overall, the BSA is at least finally making a consistent (if not cumbersome) ruling. It doesn't make sense for YPT requirements to be in place for Troop outings, but not meetings or Eagle Projects. It effectively becomes a donut hole of risk.
  17. Well, I've got as many surgical supply stores within driving distance as Walmarts, so perhaps so. Another type is hemostat clamps. All these things have small teeth and they click into a self lock. You can get them on Amazon if you are not close to civilization. I don't just use them for ticks, I use them for a lot of stuff.
  18. Surgical supply store? Is that next to Walmart? Barry
  19. HashTagScouts

    First Aid Kit Gadget: Tick Remover

    From someone who has unfortunately contracted Lyme's from a tick, this is not at all the method that the CDC recommends. It causes the tick to regurgitate into the bloodstream before it backs out. https://www.cdc.gov/ticks/removing_a_tick.html
  20. HashTagScouts

    possible fee increase coming

    Not admonishing- it does add complexity for sure. The Eagle candidates we've had since last fall had been fortunate that they had parents who were troop leaders, which made it easy enough to assure they had 1 pretty much accounted for, so only had to "recruit" 1 other adult for everything. We have one current scout working on their project that doesn't have that luxury, and unfortunately has gone rogue a few days that has been an issue. His project is for the CO, which hasn't helped him to fly under the radar from us.
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  22. PACAN

    possible fee increase coming

    @mds3d Letting us know your EP was 2002 would have been good to know. The Current procedures were started in 2011.
  23. yknot

    possible fee increase coming

    Most of our competition -- other youth organizations -- generally do not have these kinds of issues. There is usually a highly functional public interface, things are usually very organized, and the organizational messages and goals are coordinated from the top, wherever it is, down to the local level. I don't have any issue with BSA reexamining fees. It's understood that we have a financial crisis. I do have an issue with the timing and the total lack of contingency planning. Something has really gone off the rails and without some degree of honesty beyond the spin, I'm not sure what's next.
  24. Cubmaster Pete

    possible fee increase coming

    This makes the entire organization, including volunteers, look unprepared.
  25. That method is generally not effective. Use tweezers. Personally, I find surgical bulldog clamps the best. You can get them in a surgical supply store and toss them in your kit. I have about 4.
  26. mds3d

    possible fee increase coming

    I am pretty sure the workbook I signed did not have that section. I feel like 2002 (when I started my project) was pretty different. I understand that youth protection is extremely important. I just think that service does not have to scouting activity. The eagle project should be no different. If it is a scouting activity (troop supported and sanctioned) then it should follow all the rules, but my project would have been impossible with this rule.
  27. yknot

    possible fee increase coming

    Ridiculous. Another glaring disconnect is that the statement from National says they are setting up a donor funded BSA registration assistance fund. Nothing has been issued to date on a) whether the fund will in fact exist, b) if it does, how it will be accessed and what kind of process will be required, and c) since nothing BSA does at a process level is speedy, how this process can be accommodated within the current rechartering deadline. I don't fault National for struggling some with challenges. I fault them for being so utterly unprepared despite the fact that lawsuits, liability insurance issues, and registration fees are nothing new.
  28. Thunderbird

    First Aid Kit Gadget: Tick Remover

    How does this work? Does the tick suffocate or something?
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    • Have your SPL assign one of her Scouts to do research. there are a ton of scripts out there. Also there were some ideas int eh Troop Resources Book if memory serves.  
    • I guess what I am getting at is that removing that sentence doesn't give them any reason to share their results with you.  From my understanding, you have a right to a copy of a credit check but not necessarily a criminal background check.  So, without that clause you still probably aren't getting to review what they found.  What you seem to want is a clause that would require them to provide you a copy of whatever they find.   What others are saying is that "approved or not" is a disclosure covered by this clause, i.e. this clause is necessary for them to provide a yes or no answer.  If they answer no they are disclosing that there was something on a background check that is excluding you.  It doesn't matter that they aren't disclosing what that is specifically.  This is all a function of the structure of the BSA.  If the councils and units were part of the legal entity that is the BSA National office then it wouldn't be an issue, but then lots of things would be different.  
    • Been a little while since I last swung by here but I thought I'd drop in and share my new favourite scout photos. There have been many over the years that sum up a moment in time and this is the latest in a long line. So last weekend my merry band of men and women were away on camp. And the weather was horrible. I mean grim. It was always forecast to be pretty wet but even we in England, with our 197 words for rain or whatever it is didn't expect quite this. It started raining around 8pm Friday night just as the scouts were putting up tents in the dark. It proceeded to rain, with varying intensity, for 32 hours non stop. The mathematicians will have worked out that was 4am Sunday morning. On top of that the last month in our corner of the world has been pretty soggy so the ground is saturated and all the wood wet. To be honest I was a bit worried. We had 3 totally new scouts with us, one of who didn't speak English, only mandarin, and 3 more who have been with us a few months but this was there first camp. How were the younger ones going to cope with the conditions? I shouldn't have worried, the new recruits through themselves into with massive enthusiasm and we had a full turn out of patrol leaders who led from the front. I was really quite amazed! For our chinese scout it turns out the card game Uno is the international system of comms for 11 year olds as well. The moment that summed it up though was late Saturday afternoon. The rain was hammering it down. Water everywhere. I was giving serious thought to pioneering an arc! Our newest, youngest scout, only turned 10 in July, asked if we could have a camp fire. I think the troop looked at her in utter bewilderment on mass. Her PL looked outside the mess tent and asked if she'd seen the weather. Yes! Apparently she had, but was still convinced she could light a fire. So off she went with a couple of the boys to give it a go. This photo was take half an hour later. Had she got one lit? No. She'd tried pine cones, silver birch bark, cotton wool balls, tumble drier lint. None of them would get the utterly sodden wood we could find to do anything more than briefly steam before fizzling out. Was she detered though? Was she hell! She continued to attack that pile of tinder with the matches with what I can only describe as reckless joy and abandon. Giving up only when I directly told she was getting a hot drink inside her, that was an order. Despite this conditions, despite me now having a stinking cold that I blame on that camp it was truly inspiring. Long may kids continue to have that lust for life and the outdoors!
    • It's going to be time soon to start planning our Troop's first Court of Honor.  Our girls are all young, inexperienced Scouts. I'm not sure any of them has ever attended a Court of Honor. Maybe one probably has because she has a brother in Scouts BSA. Typically, the CoH would be planned by the youth like all the other stuff, right? I've seen enough different ones in my "time" in Scouting that I have an idea of how I expect it to look and could totally do it, but I assume I shouldn't be doing that.  So I'm looking for resources to offer to the girls so they can maybe have some varying examples to draw from to come up with their own CoH. Scripts? Videos on YouTube? Ideas for building a candle holder or...? Whatever. Or should they go crash the CoH for a couple of boy Troops in person? 
    • Yes, National discloses their membership decision ( yes or "nope, not that guy.")  to Council, my unit, and let me add CO, but not the information obtained from my personal background  check. 
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