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    • Yes.  I found this thread searching for information on BSA policy towards Deists."  Someone else might find it.
    • 1. "Charter and Bylaws of the Boy Scouts of America June 2019     © Boy Scouts of America ... Section 3. That the purpose of this corporation shall be to promote, through organization, and cooperation with other agencies, the ability of boys to do things for themselves and others, to train them in Scoutcraft, and to teach them patriotism, courage, self-reliance, and kindred virtues, using the methods which are now in common use by Boy Scouts [1915 language readopted in 2019]." So was it "sound" for BSA to pursue increasingly different purposes? 2. BSA fought for years and won the right, good or bad, to assert its  view of "Timeless Values] by excluding gay persons, then relatively quickly abandoned that position for stated reasons that applied equally when they were fighting admission of gays.  Was that "sound."? 3. BSA is driven almost solely by raising money to meet payroll - 97% of the expenditures in my council, making corporate donors more important than almost any number of Scout parents.   Yes an opinion, based on observation, experience, documents, and admissions by "professionals."  My council has turned down $millions because it would have been restricted to supporting program, such as by improving and maintaining camps.  The council laid off it's VERY successful capital program professional because the $millions she raised could not be used for payroll.   Is it "sound" not to make program - product - of highest priority?   4. BSA consciously allows awards to be given on a massive scale regardless of whether they have been earned or not.  What message does this behavior send to youth?  Is it '"sound" not to be "trustworthy"?   5.  BSA "professionals" have repeatedly falsified membership numbers, leading to criminal investigations and convictions ("FBI called in as 'ghost' scouts boost numbers - and funds.") My councils first Scout Exectutive was merely fired for doing tthat, as was the Scout Executive I inherited when I rejoined in 1981.  Then there is "In School Scouting, which one of our Scout Executives candidly called a "Scam." "Sound"? 6.  BSA says volunteers run Scouting.  That statement is disingenuous at best. "Sound" ? 7. The BSA position on "Reverent" is claimed to be very important, yet, in practice, BSA acts inconsistently.  Some theists are excluded because they worship the wrong God or gods.  It is said that one must believe in  God - not "a" higher authority but "the" higher authority, and are to be excluded if you do not so believe;  yet, some atheists, mainly Buddhists, but also non-theist Unitarians,  have been allowed in BSA, the Buddhist continuously for generations, and their religious awards are recognized by BSA.  Other atheists, such as Humanists,  are excluded.   On October 21, 2003, Greg Shields, a national spokesman for the Boy Scouts of America, statement to  Fox News, said:  "The Boy Scouts are not a religious organization. We cannot be described as a religious organization or a religion." Yes, that was wildly inconsistent with BSA's position in court papers in prior law suits. E.g.: "Although Boy Scouts of America is not a religious sect, it is religious, and, while the local council is not a house of worship like a church or a synagogue, it is a religious organization."   E. g.: "Bill, I don't think you or the Boy Scouts have anything to apologize for. The Boy Scouts are proud to be an organization of people who believe in God." ( George Davidson, lead counsel of record, Boy Scouts of America v. Dale.)    Is it "sound" to "double-talk" an "important" issue? 8. YPT   The first version of on-line training commanded that reports of "incidents" be made solely to your Scout Executive.  I, and I am sure many others, pointed out that the law was otherwise, and the commandment changed.  But how could any "sound" leader require such a indefensible practice in the first instance? These have been tough times for most volunteer organizations.  That makes sound leadership critical.  
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    • Hard for some Christians to grasp. but Buddhists are literally atheists - persons who do not believe in a creator deity of any kind . They have been members of the BSA since at least 1926, and their religious awards are recognized by BSA.
    • IF that is the case, we may want to consider pushing that a bit more.  I do know the STEM merit badges at summer camp are fairly popular.  Other than the nature related ones that are also Eagle, the most popular one is Space Exploration.  They also have photography regularly and have done Electronics.   But I wonder how we might integrate the idea of Stem Scouting into the program successfully, as I have not seen it come out of the introductory stage.  Maybe it just needs to be incorporated into the regular options, rather than being separated?  
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