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    • It strikes me that this is the way to frame the conversation.  That the BSA is proactively looking to determine a way to both responsibly compensate victims of abuse fullfill it's Congressionally mandated responsibilty to deliver the Scouting program to the youth of the country - both today and for decades to come. I've had some hope for a while now that Congress would get involved and create some sort of fund from which these sorts of claims would be paid.  While I acknowledge that the BSA's mistakes contributed to the crisis - those mistakes happened well before the current BSA leadership was invovled and that happened well before the current members of the organization were involved.  But, I 'm realistic to know that this won't happen.
    • Jameson:  You are correct in concluding this will be very complicated.  Perhaps one of the most complex financial reorganizations in bankruptcy history.  Essentially the BSA is the national organization and contains within it all above-council governance and assets (the extent to which they are owned).  Councils are separate from a corporate standpoint, and their assets are owned separately.  However, there is a close relationship between BSA and the councils to the point where "control" over councils can become an issue in legal proceedings.  The degree to which council assets are at risk in bankruptcy is unknowable to me due to lack of information.  It might be that councils which have significant potential liability for abuse claims might want to be included in the financial reorganization process in order to receive the benefits of the liability discharge.  The degree of potential liability probably varies widely between councils, but with the statutes of limitation being lifted, almost any council is now going to be subjected to claims regarding events from long ago.  Bankruptcy specialists might even construct a process by which all councils can benefit from the discharge as well as BSA.  When you think about it, we do need the organizational "fresh breath" which is a significant purpose of bankruptcy.  After the process starts and the expected uproar dies down, this will be a fascinating case to follow. 
    • I have gotten requests to talk to reporters about this on TV this morning.   I very quickly turned them down about pointed them to the press release from BSA.  We have to all remember, we do not represent BSA in any official manner but can do inadvertent damage to the program by talking about the issue publicly without any real in-depth knowledge and specific background/training in the domain.  
    • So...there are many entities within the BSA.  National (National and Regions) and then the Councils.  The suits are against BSA National (I believe), though likely the local councils were named in the suits.  Or, if the lawyers get enough clients "will" be named in the suits. With business type bankruptcy, and assuming Chapter 11 for reorganization and not Chapter 7 liquidation.  With Chapter 11 one of the first steps is to secure DIP (Debtor in Possession) financing so that National BSA can continue operations.  To be sure, not clear how Chapter 11 would effect the assets of the Boy Scouts.  Specifically Intellectual Property (Name BSA, ranks, images, Eagle Scout name, etc), also physical properties such as Philmont, Summit, and to some degree Northern Tier and Seabase.  I think more of the 2 latter HA bases may be leased, but could be wrong on that. The unknown will be the ripple effect if National BSA does go the bankruptcy route.  Will that cause local councils to go that route to protect their assets. Council offices, camps, etc. Whatever the course, will be messy.
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