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    • Yeah, some first aid stuff just seems prone to bystanders wanting to do exactly the wrong thing because of their emotional response.  People wanting to dunk extremities in warm water to deal with frostbite when the person is hypothermic, pulling out whatever caused a puncture wound, pulling stuck on fabric off of severe burns... I watched a work first aid seminar once with a role play before the training.  I just had to shake my head and walk away when one group of ladies insisted on lifting the unconscious person's head up to put a small folded up blanket under it for comfort before they immobilized the head and neck.
    • YES!!!!!!!!!!!! At one accident I was stopped and provided first aid at, the first person on the scene wanted to take off the motorcycle helmet off the potential spinal injury. The girl I was dating at the time, myself, and two others who approached the scene at the same time we did heard the initial person say he was going to remove the helmet, and all 4 of us screamed "NO"  at the same time. That's when the other couple announced they were an ER doctor, and a trauma nurse. Taking off the helmet would have required moving the head, which was not an option.
    • @Cambridgeskip, I've seen similar and also used scenarios to give scouts some experience at people problem solving. Confidence requires practice. So I'd say keep going with your training. As for the helmet, I was taught to leave it on. It's easier to tape the helmet down to a board than taping or holding a head.
    • I noticed that, too, and I suspect it's a typo.  These were just released.  There's no way the pole only weighs 1 ounce.

      These do appear to be good options for anyone looking for a backpacking tent, whether an adult looking for a solo tent or scouts wanting a 2 person tent.
    • Interesting discussion.  I have seen a few instances in Eagle projects where an adult tries to run the project, NOT a parent, but one with special knowledge; or maybe they think they have expertise.  If the candidate is a younger one, they truly have a hard time speaking up, even if it is written and approved by others.  That is the time when we, as leaders, might need to step in and suggest the interfering adult rethink their actions, possibly taking them aside and reminding them or simply educating them as to what the intent of the Scout being in charge is.  A couple of times, in a review board, when asked about issues with the project, we have had this very discussion. I am one to feel that as long as there will not be any danger or injury, to let them lead and see what happens.  After all, that is really what we hopefully strive for.
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