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    • Yep. Scouts being honest with themselves is the goal. The hard part for adults is as qwazse said, "Encourage them to grade themselves honestly, and see how they develop over time. Each adult has their own style of encouraging, but the objective is for the scout, not the adult, to make conscious effort to develop habits of good decisions. I found the uniform is a very powerful method for developing good habits of character, if the adults could just get past their own hangups.  By the way, doesn't the handbook still give instructions for wearing the uniform? Barry
    • Well, I agree in the sense that wearing a uniform shouldn't be considered "pass/fail" and in general I'd never seriously criticize anyone for failing to wear a complete uniform.  But when it comes to "being in full uniform" I don't think you can consider that to be anything less than 100% (except perhaps minus the socks if someone is wearing pants).  However, the only times I've ever been absolutely insistent about being in "full uniform" was for anyone going to serve as "Governor's Honor Guard" at Mackinac Island (Michigan) or something similarly formal and public where we are representing the organization.
    • I was at D-A for a couple of campouts.  That was one camp that had great fishing and you could ride horses and enjoy a ranger type program.  Seemed like a long way from Jeddo, Mi, and was another council.  We tended to support our council and the BWC's one camp.  D-A was closer to the bigger cities and the funds flowed there.  Seems you are loyal to D-A as much as I am Silver Trails.     
    • One thing that rankles me is when adults turn uniforming into a binary affair of "in" vs. "out" of uniform. I send them to a standard issue inspection sheet (https://mediafiles.scoutshop.org/m2pdf/50015_Leaders_Unif_InspFNL.pdf) and say, "So our epic ASM still has his rank patch from way-back-when. Dock him 5 points." This epic scouter is 95% uniformed. I am on the verge of being an epic scouter. But, in the winter I'm usually 75% uniformed. (Pants and belt. Sorry, but the Amish leather-worker down the road from my in-laws works some very thick hides into simple masterpieces that have outlasted every other belt that I've had.) Maybe 70% if you want to hack at that mentor pin. Closer to 90% when I'm in my venturing uni because standard issue pants aren't required. So here you have two epic or near-epic scouters: one 95%, the other 75% uniformed. But, I make the best coffee you'll ever find at a World Jamboree. I win. :) Yes, I am fine with a good scouter uniforming at 50% ... especially if such a scouter has a cobbler waiting for me at the end of a long day guiding youth to success. I think the best thing we can do for our youth is try @The Latin Scot's suggestions for looking sharp, yet be honest with our scouts about our grade on the inspection sheet. Encourage them to grade themselves honestly, and see how they develop over time.
    • Yep, same old debate. I think we have two much bigger Uniform Method issues.  The BSA has somehow managed to produce a "field" uniform that BSA itself says is for indoor and ceremonial use, not really for outdoor activities.  Beyond that, BSA is producing Cub Scouts and Scouts BSA members who look like Christmas trees.   Both of these developments discourage the use of the Uniform Method where it would be most useful:  out in the world, while doing Scouting.  If uniforms are just "for showin', not for blowin'," what good are they really?
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