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    • @MGinLA, welcome to the forum and, uh, sorry about losing your first post.  
    • I didn't comment on that study that you cited because the percentages completely defy other research but more importantly, common sense. Sexual abuse of elementary school students in a school setting is not as common as among older students (although that changes OUTSIDE the school environment). They are too well supervised. That means a much higher rate of abuse occurs among middle school and high school age students. There are high rates of abuse among high school AGE students, but not in a school setting. To victimize say 15% of high school students, means that about 35% of girls in any given school would be affected. Teachers would have to be tackling them in the hallways to produce that.  Which brings me to another point. In scouting, we are myopically focused on boys. In child sexual abuse, boys are actually abused at significantly lower rates than girls. So you are not comparing apples to apples when you throw out rates of child abuse as comparisons if you don't separate it by gender. There have been studies and reports that have shown that abuse rates among boys may be higher than thought because of the male culture to just get over it, but then that would also apply in scouting.  The 84,000 claims reported in scouting is likely a minimal number. Even with weeding out possibly false claims, there are many victims who have died or are not yet ready to talk about their abuse.  There is a lot to youth protection in the scouting setting that BSA has really never looked at or examined. There are now thousands of claims, and hundreds of letters, that will be full of useful facts that can be analyzed and perhaps used to improve it.       
    • I think there has been enough hyperbole, sarcasm and thinly veiled personal attacks recently. Perhaps everyone who has posted in the last 24 hours should take the weekend off. Enjoy your family, go for a hike. Do something else besides post on this or related threads.  Perhaps after the weekend folks could return to discuss ideas and not cast aspersions at each other. We can disagree without being disagreeable.  I will be the first to take my own advice...
    • Current online YPT = 72 minutes. If people cannot even be bothered to sit and watch 72 minutes, SELF PACED, in order to just have a basic awareness of what YP is and why BSA needs it, then BSA doesn't need them.
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