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    • First, the amount paid to the lawyers is simply obscene, and they do not deserve it.  And that is a problem of our court system.  Limits on lawyers should exist, period; and emotion should not be allowed to overly skew it. More importantly, again from my own perspective as a rational person, the jury payouts on many emotionally weighted cases is outlandish and again would not happen in other parts of the western world.  Our legal system is broken and allows those types of awards, even though they are attempts to fix something that cannot be fixed. More importantly, the actual perpetrators again are not being brought to justice in most cases, and there is little effort, or so it seems, to do so.  IF this were to be a balanced procedure, then they would publicly vet all the claims, which might in itself bring some interesting developments.  They would also take into consideration who, beyond the BSA, swept things around and under.  How many government jurisdictions chose to NOT do what needed to be done?  How many family decisions played into those results in a different era of society?   IF BSA is being held responsible for bad decisions, some perhaps forced by uncooperative families or obdurate of paid off public officials, what do you suggest be done?  It is still an impossible scenario, and it just shows the foolishness of trying to rewrite history and fix societal problems from the past in todays environment.  But how dare I suggest such outlandish things.  
    • Great that you can. That, however, has precisely zero (0) with the LEGAL arguments at play here, namely that BSA through its negligence allowed TENS OF THOUSANDS of boys to be abused. That those victims of BSA's negligence are allowed compensation (in states with an open statute of limitations at least) and Those victims of BSA's negligence in closed states are never, ever going to approve a plan that leaves them with $0. I really do not appreciate this comment. I've nothing to gain here: I am not a victim. I don't even know that any victims have "avarice" unless you want to define that word to mean "anyone who seeks compensation they are entitled to law." As claiming I have "hate" or "demons", I REALLY do not appreciate that accusation.
    • When you say balanced and fair who would it be balanced and fair for?  Why would it be fair to ask lawyers to take less and not those holding the liabilities to pay more?  The current options are currently weighted in balance to BSA, LC’s, CO’s and insurance company’s. A fair amount for victims would be comparable to what the victims of other CSA cases received and the current options are well below that payout. If the BSA ceased to exist (and I am not advocating for that outcome) the only larger effect would be youth would have to find other activities and there are multiple options for them. 
    • Again, I have never stated that the proceedings should not play out, only that they do it in a balanced and as close to fair manner as possible.  And that does not mean trying to force money out of questionable sources or ignoring larger effects.  Certainly, IF they finally arrive at a payout, the victims should be paid.  I personally would limit the lawyer payout to no more than 5-10 percent of the totals, period.  So, if you are to get the maximum payout under the current optins, you increase that payout by taking it from the lawyers, not trying to force liquidation of properties never meant to be used for anything but youth activities and such.  A balanced scale and rational aproach.  Not something that plays well in this tragedy.  
    • So how do you propose if not thru the course of this bankruptcy that the CSA victims be compensated?  I believe you have been asked this question in several ways and multiple times by many forum members. 
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