Jump to content

    • It's the other way around. I came here to come up with ideas and possible solutions to help overcome scouts that are uncomfortable approaching the scoutmaster with the issue. I admit that I shouldn't have brought up the grading policy as it derailed my original question. In the moment I thought it might help to explain other things talked about at the meeting.    I agree that the kids should work through their issues with their peers but it crossed that line a long time ago. There isn't any physical bullying but more verbal bullying than anything. There is a lot of putting others down for various issues, yelling at scouts that are answering too many questions then proceeding to the conversation in a different direction,  yelling at special needs scouts, and at some times yelling at everyone including adult leaders. All of these actions have been done by multiple scouts of various ages, ranks, gender, and troop position. One scout(scout A) had done all of the aforementioned acts in front of adult leaders or their parents. There was a misunderstanding at our last summer camp. We were about to elect the new senior patrol leader but as the scoutmaster had come back later than we all thought it was the consensus among the adults to push it to the next night and have a little party beforehand. As it was just decided we told all scouts in the near area that this was the new plan and to tell the others of it as well. Some time passes by and almost everyone is hanging out in the pavilion that was provided to us when scout A and scout B come up from a cabin we were also provided. Scout A attempted to ask another person what was going but due to the noise, no one heard them so then Scout A proceeds to scream at everyone about its not fair that they were left out of voting in the SPL election. This caused some confusion as we didn't know that Scout A was unaware of the plan change since no one had seen them since coming back from dinner. We try to explain that the plans changed but Scout A wasn't listening to what we said and then Scout A proceeded to walk away angry and almost crying leaving everyone else very confused. The Scout A parent( Parent A) proceeded to discipline everyone there including the scoutmaster, a member of camp staff, the majority of the scouts, and other adult leaders including myself. Parent A said that Scout A was feeling left out when everyone was at the pavilion except them, that they had a bad day, and that we are bullying him by not allowing him to be with us. We made it clear that since this is an open area we can't police who is and isn't there and that if we had made Scout A feel any sort of detachment from the group we didn't mean to do. Parent A then proceeded to attempt to argue that not including anyone in SPL elections is unfair (Scout A was NOT eligible for SPL at all and wasn't close enough to finish within the next day) and I simply said back that we wouldn't Vote for the next SPL without everyone here BECAUSE that isn't fair and that we had changed the plan. That shut Parent A up who then proceeded to walk away and pout. This is one of the stories of this scout from our summer camp week. Scout A had at least one major problem a day where it would be similar to the above. I might have gone a bit off topic but this is a clear example of the bullying in our troop. Something needs to change or else the troop will be forced to close due to lack of youth.
    • Unless there was a recent change the CORs are members of the Executive Board.  As the OA Lodge Advisor I am also a member as is our Lodge Chief.  Our board is welcoming, receptive to suggestions, and just a good bunch of guys.  They also treat our Chief as an equal and are receptive of his ideas.  I consider myself fortunate and blessed to belong to such a fine group of ladies and gentlemen.  I would say that if anyone outside of the board has an issue or concern they could contact our CE or a board member and would be welcome as a guest.
    • So so many parts here.  I'll probably add and edit. #1  Yes, a BOR can choose to not pass a scout.  ... I've seen hundreds and hundreds of BORs.  The scout should not fail.  If a BOR chooses to not advance the scout, the scout needs to be told in writing why.  ... in this case, it's clear.  The scout did not participate in the BOR.  ... The scout not answering one question should NOT be a reason.  The scout not actively participating in the BOR is a reason.  ... BUT, any adult worth being on a BOR should be able to solicit the scout's participation.  Any adult on the BOR should also be asking why did this happen.  ... it begs the next question ... #2  ... What is the scout's history?  What happened?  Did the scout not trust the BOR adults?  To get to a Life BOR, the scout passed at least five BORs.  What is different this time?  ... I'd want the SM and other adults to honestly reflect on this.  ... Did the CC or another BOR adults chew the scout out previously?  Lose trust?  Did some adult treat the scout unfairly? ... even if just in the scout's view?  How did the scout pass several and now fail?  ... I'd also ask are some of the BOR adults normally interacting with the scout (camping, MBs, troop mtgs)?  If so, they should not be on the BOR.   ... Similar ... why did the SM think a non-troop BOR was needed?  It smells like the SM knows the cause / reason.   #3  Is a completely non-troop BOR acceptable?  No and yes.  BSA Guide To Advancement has the rules ... to be mixed with a kind heart by the adults.  GTA section does say it is to be 3 to 6 unit committee members.  Since the BOR exists for many reasons, including improving the troop, the rule is clearly to use troop committee members.  That said, this is not really unusual.  We help the scouts.  We solve people issues when people clash.  ...  I do fear the SM doing an end-around the committee clearly subverts explicit roles.  What should happen next?  CC refuses to sign the scout's Eagle application?  CC protests an advancement report to the council?  ... SM should not have set up an alternative BOR.  That's absolutely NOT the SM's job.  GTA explicitly says it's the unit committee job to be guided/assigned by the troop committee chair.   The CC could make a fuss about this BOR as the CC has real grounds.  The unit leaders did not advance the scout.  ....  BUT ... IMHO ... that would be absolutely, absolutely wrong.  This specific scout participated in a Life BOR.  It's done.  Period.  Let it sit.   We don't fight adult battles using the scouts.   #4  BOR purpose is to give the unit feedback ... The unit committee got a huge ugly feedback dump by the scout AND the SM.  The unit is doing badly.  ... The question now is how does the unit committee fix the troop?  That's the CC/COR responsibility.  Honestly, should the CC/COR remove the SM?  The CC/COR has clear cause.  ... We don't penalize scouts, but we do remove adults that can't work together.  OR, is there a unit committee member (or members) that are not working well together and they need to leave?   IMHO ... SM found a solution, but may have created more issues.  There is clearly a problem between the scout, the SM, the unit CC and the unit committee members.  Those adults better have some honest conversations soon about unresolved issues that will keep escalating.    
    • The info I do not see is if the actual troop BOR explained their reasoning and offered a repeat board in say three weeks or something of that sort, noting they needed to clarify specific areas of concern.  On the rare occasion we do not pass a scout, they are slways given a reason and a return option in a reasonable time frame.  
    • I'd appreciate some insights into this situation, and if anything that occured should have been done differently, or is against BSA policies, ambiguous as they are. A friend of mine had a Star Scout in my son's Troop, ready for a Board of Review for Life Rank. This Scout was given the BoR by our Troop Committee as requested. I did not participate personally in the BoR, but was told afterwards by multiple BoR participants that the Scout completely clammed up, and couldn't answer any questions unless the response was along the lines of "I don't know".  I believe the Scout likely has significant anxiety issues in front of adults (as many do), but there has been no formal diagnosis that special needs exist for this Scout. I don't believe the BoR questions were difficult or combative. This was not a retest.  Questions such as "What makes a good leader?".  etc. The BoR declined to advance the (basically unresponsive) Scout to Life rank since it was not possible to determine whether "the Scout has a positive attitude, accepts Scouting’s ideals, and sets and meets good standards in daily life." as indicated in Section of the Guide to Advancement (#33088).  No discrepancies were noted related to requirement signoff. My friend (as well as our local ScoutMaster) was disappointed with the BoR/Committee for failing to advance the Scout.  The Scout needed to achieve Life Rank soon in order to partipate in upcoming Summer Camp programs exclusive to Life Scouts.  She decided to take the Scout elsewhere for a satisfactory BoR, to another unit in a different Council where she has friends in adult leadership.  This other unit provided a new BoR (for this Scout that is not in their Troop) and passed the Scout to Life Rank.  The Scout shows up in ScoutBook as a Life Scout in our Troop.  The Scout in question never left our Troop and remains a member today (working on his path to Eagle now.)  I believe this "alternate BoR" approach was done with the blessing and recommendation of our ScoutMaster. Looking for your opinions: 1) Was it acceptable and proper for the BoR to decline advancing the Scout to Life Rank since the Scout would not answer standard well-intentioned questions such as those found in the Guide to Advancement (#33088), when given every opportunity to do so? I've read the Guide to Advancement thoroughly and I believe the answer is yes, but it seems murky. 2) Is it BSA policy that a Scout may have a (non-Eagle) Rank BoR provided by adults *completely outside* the unit committee of the Troop?  I can't find anything that says this is not permissible, but I suspect it is assumed that the BoR is provided by the Scout's Troop Committee, so this is not even addressed in BSA documents. Thanks in advance.
  • Who's Online (See full list)

  • Create New...