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    • Yes he has the flag on his uniform.  We have required him to stand at attention during the pledge and the rest of our Troop opening along with everyone else at the meeting.  We have not told him that he has to say the pledge or salute during the pledge. 
    • I 100% support keeping a faith component of the program.  As someone who volunteers in a less faith based Scouting area, let me share what I see.  I cannot ever remember a Cubmaster or Scoutmaster tying the oath & law or a discussion on values back to god.  What I see around here is that the Oath & Law are emphasized as a set of guidelines or rules by which people of good character live their lives. So, that clause in the Oath (Do my duty to God) is something you do because you are a person of good character and people of good character do their duty to god.  However, the clause (Do my duty to God)  does not then become the foundation upon which we guide Scouts on everything else in the oath in law.  For example - a Scout is Trustworthy because a person of good character is trustworthy - not because God tells us to be trustworthy. I would add - this is why I think may in my area would be fine to allow those without a belief in God to join.  Of course we'd want to see prayers at meals continues.  Of course we'd want to see discussion of how faith in the ranks continue.  Of course we'd want to see Sunday services continue to be available.  But, if a Scout wants to develop as a person of strong character and can internally reconcile the fact that Duty to God doesn't apply to him or her - then why not?
    • @ParkMan and @MattR, I believe your posts are directly related to a core issue:  scouts with weak leadership skills and low levels of initiative.  Not only in the OA, but in scouting in general. When the OA was focused on selected the best of the best, this naturally interested a bunch of self-starters.  They loved the outdoors and were the first scouts to swing an axe, start a fire in the rain when their fellow scouts were standing around miserable, etc.  This in turn translated into a collective energy level at OA events.  You couldn't hold them back.  Today?  Not much initiative.  Little desire to get their hands dirty.   Poor leadership skills.  Sure, they'll eagerly attend something "fun" that was organized by someone else (usually adults).  OA aside, I've witnessed scouting more or less develop inert scouts.  Waiting for "fun." Organize it themselves?  No way.  They just want to attend it.  Matt, leadership development would help in the OA, but I think by the time they are in the OA, it's a little late.  The die is cast.  Though there was less leadership training in years past, the OA used the "honor camper" label to capture the attention of scouts who were already working on their leadership and outdoors skills.  Not necessarily in a leadership course, but through the "school of hard knocks" as a patrol leader.  They came to the OA with some momentum.      
    • We've had a number of scouts over the years who were not US citizens.  We generally left it up to them how to handle the Pledge.  Most of them just salute and say it in rote without thought just like the rest of the scouts.  A few would salute but stay silent because that called the least attention to themselves.  A couple more just stood respectfully. Requiring the citizen of another country to pledge allegiance to the US seems silly at best.  Requiring a scout to enunciate an oath or prayer that is actually in violation of their religion seems like a compete break with the 12th point of the Scout law.  When I attend religious services other than my own I act respectfully, but I don't recite any prayers that are in contradiction with my own beliefs, and I can't imagine that anyone would expect me to.   Jehovah Witnesses are no less American and no less patriotic just because they refrain from taking oaths.  
    • I agree.  He was a person of his time.  If he were alive today he would be a person of our time, and his opinions would not necessarily be the same.
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