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By HashTagScouts · Posted
For the purposes of the Eagle application, and being that I am not sure if Scoutbook will allow 'ASM', then you can call them JASM. Like Qwazse, I would encourage having the youth in positions like QM, SPL, Scribe, etc. -
List be damned. I believe ASM is the most appropriate position for an 18+ year old working on Eagle. Being a young ASM is sort of scouting's finishing school. It's really the last step in leadership development before going off to college, war, or to earn your fortune. Sure joining a Crew could be an option, if they'd elect you to a position. In my crew, positions were not gimme's. You had to be worthy of your peer's approval. The method in Venturing is not "leadership development" but "leadership", so I took that to mean "don't try, do." If the crew had doubts about your dedication, you weren't getting elected. Obviously, I'm coming from a perspective where I think any adult Advisor, SM, Co-Advisor, or ASM should have to earn First Class, and if they desire to go on to earn Eagle, they should be permitted to do so. So, my answer is based on my intuition and not based on some pronouncement from BSA. However, I do believe that ASM is the natural next step for such a scout. Knowing that they can talk to you adult-to-adult is really important for them and for your community. So, giving them the patch that says they can do that is a great way to "raise the bar" for that relationship. Caveat: as always, my position continues to be only give positions to those who will do the work. If the candidate is only going to be nominally ASM, they don't deserve to advance in rank. But I also recognize my young ASMs if they contribute to the life of the troop on the few weekends or evenings that they have free from college or military. Those hours explaining to scouts what life is now like for them is invaluable. -
By greenreddew · Posted
The bylaws our pack has are from like 2013. They have not been updated since and we have had things pop up that are not covered in it. Also, we have had things pop up that are IN them but bc parents had no clue on how something is done ( refunds example), they are mad when we show them. So to me, how can we enforce a program if parents do not know the rules unless they are a leader or on the committee. I sent a copy of the bylaws to my leaders in May and again a couple weeks before our big planning night to start going thru and making sense of it. Told them to make notes and see what they think on things, questions, changes, etc. We are hoping to get thru it tonight as we ran out of time last week. -
Hi @greenreddew, If you were to do a survey of packs around the country, you'll find wide differences in whether packs have handbooks or not. Our pack had one, but only as a getting started tool for new parents. It covered basic questions like what kind of uniform to buy, where's the Scout shop, when are our meetings. It's really for those parents who like to know how things work prior to going to the first meeting. Most of what is covered there a parent would learn in the first meeting or two anyways. Our doesn't have pack bylaws. We're a large pack (70 scouts) with a leadership team of 15-20 people. There are clear delineations of who is responsible for what. When folks are in doubt, they defer up. i.e., if a den leader isn't aware if they should make a decision, they'll ask the Cubmaster. Further, our rules are the rules of the BSA - we really don't add or subtract. For events, we'll usually set clear expectations. i.e., check-in rules for the Pinewood derby. But, those are done as an email sent out at the planning stage of the event. In our world, I cannot fathom how bylaws would help us. So (and I know this isn't the answer you're looking for) I'd first start with a discussion among your leaders about what you are looking to accomplish with bylaws. -
@greenreddew, welcome and thanks for all you do for the youth!
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