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    • The underlying issue here is just lack of knowledge, and poor judgment.  Any trip that takes place on a river with shoals, rapids, strong eddy lines should be planned carefully.  A maximum flow benchmark should be established well ahead of the trip by someone who has a has many river miles under their belt, and is flow literate.  The flow was 11,000 cfs.  A reasonable moderate flow for a river this size is 2000 cfs.  If one has no clue what a USGS gage is, and the relevance of flow rates, aforementioned person has no business planning a trip on such a river.  Looking at the sat. imagery, I would have suggested a 3000 cfs max for the float. Sidenote:  A river that is as narrow as 150-200' wide flowing at 11k will probably have water velocities of 6' per second.  One can only imagine an unwary paddler unwittingly crossing an eddy line.....  
    • I absolutely disagree that adults need to lead the course.  IMHO, one of the best teaching methods is having scouts work with scouts.  Our troop hasn't done ISLT recently.  But when we did ... SM coached the SPL (who ran the course).  The coaching was not hours and hours.  It was more to familize with the materials ... 15 minutes at a time.  Over a few weeks. The night before the course, the SPL and SM (and another adult) prep'ed the training and the materials. The training itself was a combination of 10 to 15 minute segments of  BSA produced VHS tapes specifically for ISLT … with "now pause the tape" Games Exercises Reflections and discussion Scoutmaster comments / thoughts … really short comments and thoughts It was all run by the SPL for the scouts.  One of my favorite parts was lunch.  Paper bag lunches.  One bag had bread.  One had cheese.  One had meat.  Chips.  The scout that really was happy was the scout who had all the deserts in their lunch bag.  It was interesting to see if it was immediate or 30 seconds ot 60 seconds before they realized they had to share and work together to have a good lunch. … But the kid with the deserts always had a big smile on his face.  
    • I think it should depend on what you want to learn about. That said, I thought I knew what I wanted to learn about but I failed. My ticket was mostly a waste of time because I was clueless and my "advisor" couldn't be bothered. So I'd say the question is who should you talk with about your ticket.
    • Looking back, I may not have been as sensitive to the project and the scout.   It is just that Eagle projects are a mixed bag.   
    • I'm going to Wood Badge.  Can anyone give me some guidance on these tickets?
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